Interesting interview with a sex therapist

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The cheesy headline scared me off at first, but the interview is actually worth reading. Extremely frank and to the point.

Interestingly, this therapist says a lot of things that I always tell my friends, who brush me off or ignore me. Well, well, well. Looks like I know what I'm talking about...at least according to this therapist :p

To be fair, I recognize that it's really difficult to confront the truth when it comes to sex and sexuality. It can be such a sensitive topic.

Link: http://life.salon.com/topic/love_and_sex/

The (real) secret to hot sex
It has little to do with the body and everything to do with the mind. A sex therapist shares what he's learned



Looking for the hot new position that will transform your sex life? The bedroom technique that will bring ultimate satisfaction? Look no further.

Not that sex therapist Marty Klein is actually selling any of those things — but his new book, “Sexual Intelligence: What We Really Want From Sex and How to Get It,” offers something better: an alternative to chasing that erotic mirage. His message is antithetical to the sex advice found everywhere from self-help books to the supermarket checkout line: The secret to a fulfilling sex life is mental, not physical.

It isn’t the sexiest directive, but it might actually get you somewhere. Klein has drawn on more than 30 years of counseling experience for this smart handbook on how to develop what he calls “Sexual Intelligence,” which he describes as the thing that “gets you from hormone-driven sex to sex you choose,” “from ‘sex has to validate me’ to ‘I validate my sexuality.’” The challenge here is to let go of notions of what “successful” and “normal” sex looks and feels like. The reward is a sex life where “failure” is virtually impossible.

Salon spoke to Klein by phone from his office in Palo Alto, Calif., about why so many sexual problems can be blamed on idealizing sex and our bodies as they were in our youth.

What is it, based on your experience with clients, that people most want from sex?

Well, if you ask people what they want from sex, they say some vague thing — some combination of “pleasure” and “closeness.” But while a lot of people say that, I find from my practice that what a lot of people really want is emotional satisfaction; sometimes it has to do with the connection with their partner and sometimes it has to do with their own sense of themselves. What a lot of people want from sex is to feel youthful, graceful, manly, normal, adequate or competent.

What should we expect from sex? What expectations are more realistic and more likely to bring actual satisfaction?

Well, partly that depends on what people are willing to put into it. You could say, “What’s realistic to expect from a meal?” and if you have very little in the refrigerator and you only spend five minutes cooking and you don’t have a decent pot or pan and you’re talking on the phone while you’re doing it and not paying attention, it’s unrealistic to expect a gourmet or satisfying meal. On the other hand, if you put enough time and effort and care into it, it’s not unrealistic to expect a good dining experience.

So, when it comes to sex, clearly it’s unrealistic in long-term relationships to expect the kind of heat and desire and passion that we typically experience in the early days of a relationship and in our youth. One of the reasons that grown-ups in long-term relationships don’t have much sex is they’re waiting to feel incredibly horny. What’s more realistic to expect from sex, if you put some effort into it, is to feel connected with somebody, to feel a sense of ownership of your body, a sense of a vacation from real life for half an hour. What’s not reasonable to expect is that sex at 45, with the same person you’ve been with for 10 years is the same as sex was at 25 when you were first getting to know somebody.

Why is it so hard to move away from that ideal of sex as it was in our 20s?


I have a few answers for that. One is that we live in a youth-obsessed culture where whatever our experience is in young adulthood, we assume that’s the best experience. So, we don’t prepare for a different experience and we don’t envision a different experience and we don’t want a different experience. If we experience the transition from adolescence to young adulthood as a dreadful loss of the best that life has to offer, then we’re not going to ask ourselves, “OK, how do I make sex at 35 the best sex of my life?” Most people are saying, “How do I make sex at 35 as near to what it was at 20?”

Most of us develop our vision of sexuality between 15 and 20. At that time we have a very particular kind of body: it’s young, it’s healthy, it’s flexible, it’s conventionally attractive. And so we associate that body and that body’s abilities with good sex. We say that good sex is the kind of sex you can have if you’ve had five margaritas, or you can have good sex when someone has a face without any lines on it.

The model of sexuality that we develop between 15 and 20, it just doesn’t work for us when we have the body of a 47-year-old, when you have to take ibuprofen an hour before you have sex. There’s also a different emotional and psychological context. There’s a different ecology. You have responsibilities, you don’t have a lot of time to kill, you have to wake up early the next morning, you have children you don’t want to wake up when you’re having sex. When we’re young, we don’t have to develop the skill of planning for sex, of being patient, of waiting for when it’s going to be the right time.

They want spontaneity.

Well, you know? You can’t have that. How many 40-year-olds who have any sort of a life do anything spontaneously? I mean, look at you and I, we wanted to have a conversation and we had to plan it. We didn’t say, you know, when you’re in the mood, give me a call.

This yearning for spontaneity is so poignant, because what people are really saying is, ” I yearn for the uncomplicated life that I used to have where sexuality was at my disposal 24 hours a day, rain or shine.”

You also write about how a lack of desire is a major concern for most of your clients —

Most couples, when one or both of them don’t feel incredibly horny, they think of that as something that only one of them is going to fix. “You lose weight and that will make me more horny” or “I’ll have fantasies or come up with a new position and that will make me more horny.” They don’t talk about it as a couple. The couple needs to sign up for it together — but that requires them to talk honestly about sex. Most couples would rather chew glass than talk honestly with each other about sex. They’re willing to say things like, “I wish you’d lose weight, I wish you didn’t bring work home, you’re always on the phone with your mother,” but most are not willing to say, “I used to have more desire for you than I have now, do you want to work with me to do something about that?”

Why is that? Obviously, there’s the desire to not hurt your partner’s feelings, but it also seems there’s more there.

I wouldn’t be quite so generous. I think it’s more like, “I don’t want to say these things to you because I don’t want to hear them from you.”

So, we’re afraid of having these conversations because if we start being honest with our partner, they might start being honest with us, and that might validate our deepest insecurities?

I think that’s part of it. I think people are afraid that if they start talking honestly about sex, they’re going to be opening Pandora’s box. I also think that not everybody has the vocabulary, not everybody can say exactly what they want or how they feel. A lot of people find it easier to say, “You did something wrong,” rather than to say, “Let me tell you how that felt to me.” Instead of saying, “You’re frigid” or “You’re too kinky,” you say, “I feel unattractive” or “it’s not that I don’t like oral sex, it’s just that whenever you’re going down on me I feel so exposed, I feel so foolish.” If only people would talk more about feeling foolish in bed, rather than what the other person is doing wrong. A lot of people talk about what’s wrong with sex, like sex did something wrong. When people say that in the office, I say, “Well, rather than telling me what’s wrong with sex, why don’t you tell me how you feel?”

Why is it that the typical self-help approaches don’t work when it come to sex? Why isn’t it as simply as the ten hot new moves you need to try tonight?

Let’s compare it to something else — say you want to take care of your health. What we know is that articles like “five ways to burn fat better” just don’t work. There’s a step before that and that’s creating the emotional environment in which people can take advantage of that information. For most people, the emotional environment for taking advantage of those “hot new moves” just isn’t there. People aren’t up to what moves they should do, they’re stuck thinking, “I’m afraid that if we have sex with the lights on he’s gonna think that my butt is too big.” If someone is stuck on “My penis is the most important thing that I bring to sex,” then talking to them about what to do with this finger or that hand or this foot is just pointless. But that’s what self-help books focus on constantly when it comes to sex: what to do with your body.

Obviously, there is so much bodily insecurity going around — how do you even start toward that point of feeling sexy in your own skin?

Part of it is getting the idea that it is possible to detach how you look from how you feel and that sexiness is not a product of what your body looks like from the outside, that sexiness is a product of how you feel on the inside. Part of it is acknowledging that somebody somewhere has the ability to feel sexy independent of how they look on the outside. We have to get the concept that it’s possible for some people to feel sexy based on what’s on the inside rather than what’s on the outside. From there it’s a question of a person tuning into what do I have to offer somebody else sexually, and what do I have to offer myself sexually? If a person enjoys kissing a lot, regardless of what they look like they could say to themselves, well, that’s part of what makes me sexy.

You write so much in the book about how people worry about being sexual normal. What is sexually normal?

Most people who want to know what’s sexually normal, they’re not going to use that information in a wholesome way. Most people want to know what’s sexually normal so that they can compare themselves or their mate to that standard. If I say 80 percent of 30-year-olds have oral sex at least once a month, somebody’s gonna compare themselves to that and say, “What’s wrong with me that I don’t do that?” Or they’re going to look at their mate and say, “What’s wrong with you?”

Now if you want to know what’s statistically common when it come to sex, as I say in the book, it’s that people have sex when they’re tired and when they feel self-conscious about their bodies.
 

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"Well, partly that depends on what people are willing to put into it. You could say, “What’s realistic to expect from a meal?” and if you have very little in the refrigerator and you only spend five minutes cooking and you don’t have a decent pot or pan and you’re talking on the phone while you’re doing it and not paying attention, it’s unrealistic to expect a gourmet or satisfying meal. On the other hand, if you put enough time and effort and care into it, it’s not unrealistic to expect a good dining experience."

This is it right here.

That's the secret.
 

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This is on of those articles that i understand in many ways . One thing i am not young . but still young at heart .. I never had sex until i was 50 when most people were all ready tired of it or tired of their partner of 25 /30 yrs .. I all so have never had a relationship of any length . so any one that i get involved with is still new and vibrant in my life . All of it is new to me ..and I actually realized right away good sex came from the mind not the dick..

Now some of those expectation that a 20 yr old have i still have and wanting to prove i still can certainly is part of why i still want sex along with looking for pleasure .. But I think be cause i am older .. perhaps a little more mature in my thinking then a 20 yrs old , but admittedly not much when it come to sexy women I come in to any sexual relationship .. accepting, wanting and willing to give as much as i can to my partner be cause that is part of the pleasure i get back ... I find that foreplay is the most important part of sex .. the hours before , that can stimulate and entice and make the anticipation of the actual act of being with a person you are attracted to even more enjoyable .. Sex is in the mind .. the Imagination is the biggest sex toy . we have .. When we are young we don't realize that but after many years of only have your thoughts as the means of bring pleasure .. you find out that it still applies to keeps your sex life happy when you are with another person ..

When it come to my sex life it can be intermittent , and at time some thing i agonize over the contemplation of seeing some one .. all be it i only see escorts or friends that have been or still are escorts .. It still is not an easy thing for me to decide to pursue on an ongoing bases .., because i don't seek sex just for the sake of fucking , I do enjoy it , and more so with the few women that i keep repeating with , rather then just go see some one new every time .. Sex is as much about connection , which people need and intimacy which we all so crave to male us feel a live and wanted .. The fact is all those things are in the mind and are influenced by how we feel about our selves , and what is the state of our own emotional well being .. .. Personally i know it has taken me a long time to come to terms with some obvious self esteem problem i have .which definable effect how i perused relationship and even now .. effect how i act and perceive a relationship .. and sex .

One thing i am great full for is that i realized i had to take some steps to see who i was when it came to a sex and sexual relationships .. and even just friend ships with women .. for me it is all a mental process .. In the end i think i have some thing better then most people my age ,, i still have some more sexual adventure to look foreword to .. with some women that are younger then me . I am not bored with it or just going through the motions of keeping a long term relationship together and although i may want something more permanent in my life and i am quite willing to love and care for a few women that i know .. There is a hesitation , not just on my part . but on every one part .. My age is one consideration .. even though I don't see it unless i consider i can't do the physical thing that i once did ,, but i have experience to make up for that and then that other side is .. the people i am attracted too are there youth .. and don't want to be tied down by some who is not full of fun ,although i am still up for new adventure .. I just think before I jump in... there is a lot to be said about youth and maturity , they can compliment each other and contribute where the other is lacking .. I still think i a a little of both which drives my mind and thoughts to make sex an interesting part of any relationship .
 
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sevenofnine

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sex is mostly mental
im older and over the years i guess sex has meant many things, i mean i was always horny but at time i was not really into relationships didn't want the burden of know some one or felt comfortable what ever, but sex was strippers and well a playbooy magazine,
then marriage well sex was my wife, i mean i had oppurtunities to fool around when i was younger but was faithful
it just wasn't going to happen, never interested in another women.

fast forward two kids my wife is not interested i went back to stripers lap dancers and porn for years, i rarely had sex with my wife and when we did it was bad and very short, but that was sex, well it mostly porn

but escorts well it was hard, just my mental makeup i was always faithful to my wife,
i had a few one night stands before i was married, but wasn't really into relationships, well my father was in and out of jail, i just wasn't or didn't want a relationship.
a couple of girls were ok with the one night stand thing
but girl i realy hurt her i mean we had sex but for me that was it, i didn't want a girlfriend and that really hurt her,

i find it hard to hurt people i mean real hard to hurt people and when i hurt this girl because i didn't want a relationship with her, that was it for sex, until i was married.
escorts it was hard, to shift my sexual energy on the women, not every women but alot of escorts, it was just hard, for some reason.

and i tried viagra, for awhile, i don't know what ever it was it was just a big struggle with some women,
and i found a couple of women that when i think of sex, i just think of them, its very comfortable relaxed, easy
and part of it is just chemistry and communication and just my mental approach to it.
there not just porn i mean there not just some thing i purchased like a playboy magazine,
there a women and and that is the way i look at them i mean i enjoy the mental aspect of them what goes on between there ears.
other escorst well we never had the chemistry or they just never let me in, but for them i might as well have bought myself a playboy magazine,

but with a couple or three women in this it was more, it wasn't just a body part or two i was having sex with, it was her if that makes sense.
but it was like forget the viagra, it was totally different and a hell of alot of fun. and well it was all mental
 

Holly Taylor

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One of the things I really like in this article is how much he impresses upon us to be realistic in our expectations.

For example, you are just not going to have that same burning, aching passion for someone that you've been with for 20 years, even if they are still beautiful and you still enjoy spending time with them. Novelty is such a big part of that exciting, passionate "new sex" feeling.

That being said, you can still definitely have good sex if you've been with someone for a long time. You just have to be realistic about your expectations. And communicate, communicate, communicate!

It's important to recognize that sex is different at different times within a relationship, and perhaps depending on your age as well. There's definitely more going on than "dear, everything would be fine if you just lost 20 pounds."
 

chilli

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For example, you are just not going to have that same burning, aching passion for someone that you've been with for 20 years, even if they are still beautiful and you still enjoy spending time with them. Novelty is such a big part of that exciting, passionate "new sex" feeling.

That being said, you can still definitely have good sex if you've been with someone for a long time. You just have to be realistic about your expectations. And communicate, communicate, communicate!
Actually in my long term relationships (12 years is the longest) the sex has always just gotten better and better, to where I can't believe it can be that good.

I feel sorry for the rest of yah :p
 

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You know, I've gone with the formula of great sex being 10% physical and 90% mental for years now :)
 
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