service and looks i'd say.
People won't be impressed by your fancy or artistic photos in your advertisement if you don't actually look like that in real life.
In your own words: What’s considered a high end SP?
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People won't be impressed by your fancy or artistic photos in your advertisement if you don't actually look like that in real life.
Many valid points have already been discussed, so I won't reiterate them.
What I will challenge is the idea that it requires years or a lengthy period in the industry to reach high-end provider status. In sex work, it appears to be more about physical attractiveness, kindness, knowing what men like, and strong acting skills rather than the passage of time
.I can confidently say that in various other sectors of the sex industry, women can quickly rise to the top, sometimes overnight. I personally know girls who engaged in escorting for a short period and earned substantial amounts of money or built a client base of high net worth individuals, enabling them to no longer need to advertise themselves as escorts. On the contrary, those women who have been working in the industry for 5+ or even 2+ years and still rely on advertising and acquiring new clients may not be as successful as the individuals mentioned earlier.
What I will challenge is the idea that it requires years or a lengthy period in the industry to reach high-end provider status. In sex work, it appears to be more about physical attractiveness, kindness, knowing what men like, and strong acting skills rather than the passage of time
.I can confidently say that in various other sectors of the sex industry, women can quickly rise to the top, sometimes overnight. I personally know girls who engaged in escorting for a short period and earned substantial amounts of money or built a client base of high net worth individuals, enabling them to no longer need to advertise themselves as escorts. On the contrary, those women who have been working in the industry for 5+ or even 2+ years and still rely on advertising and acquiring new clients may not be as successful as the individuals mentioned earlier.
My experience was lethargic service, too fragile to go hard, shit load of money spent on artificial enhancements and the way make you feel is that you are getting a favor even after paying THE amount. I went for paid dinner dates, sleep over, long drive, but it felt complete waste of time and money as I wasnt looking to kill my time but sex with time killers to gain breath. I have many people to spend my time in 1000 other ways.
I met many others who were truly high end as per my assesment. They possesed qualities like well spoken, clear communication, delievered whatever promised, make you feel as your friend/crush.
I met many others who were truly high end as per my assesment. They possesed qualities like well spoken, clear communication, delievered whatever promised, make you feel as your friend/crush.
The first thing that comes to mind is stuck up. Providers that sell some mythical experience with a large price tag. They're selling a form of elitism.
I've never been a big fan of this in any form. Clothing, schooling, cars, careers, clubs, restaurants. But I know it gets a lot of guys off to know they're paying for "luxury bespoke services". It is a tried and true business model.
I absolutely am not their target audience, and we're all okay with that. I don't have wealth to flaunt, access to take advantage of, or ego that needs to validated.
The people I've had the most fun with are people I can connect to, people who can laugh at the same things, who appreciate the same things, and people who can bitch about the same things. I don't think that's possible when a providers twitter feed is about how they're grateful for the new BMW their client bought them, or how Mr. Big just scooped her away to St. Barts for the weekend.
I've never been a big fan of this in any form. Clothing, schooling, cars, careers, clubs, restaurants. But I know it gets a lot of guys off to know they're paying for "luxury bespoke services". It is a tried and true business model.
I absolutely am not their target audience, and we're all okay with that. I don't have wealth to flaunt, access to take advantage of, or ego that needs to validated.
The people I've had the most fun with are people I can connect to, people who can laugh at the same things, who appreciate the same things, and people who can bitch about the same things. I don't think that's possible when a providers twitter feed is about how they're grateful for the new BMW their client bought them, or how Mr. Big just scooped her away to St. Barts for the weekend.
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I would say High End are the ladies I can’t afford. Even if I could I wouldn’t patronize them. I agree with VanPerb. Expensive arm candy. Are they any better at providing what I’m after in the bedroom than a proven, above average cost, go to attractive cock smith?
The providers I can barely afford for an hour or two, but cherish the sessions I do are as high end as I want and need.
Attached, homebody, blue collar, mortgage holder will not be flying you to me or doing weekends or even dinners.
I’d say SWs that charge above half a K/hr. without extras are getting into high end range for my budget. Maybe not for a professional, oil rig guys, or others with more money than they know what to do with.
The old saying goes “Put a price on it, someone will buy it.”
The providers I can barely afford for an hour or two, but cherish the sessions I do are as high end as I want and need.
Attached, homebody, blue collar, mortgage holder will not be flying you to me or doing weekends or even dinners.
I’d say SWs that charge above half a K/hr. without extras are getting into high end range for my budget. Maybe not for a professional, oil rig guys, or others with more money than they know what to do with.
The old saying goes “Put a price on it, someone will buy it.”
Many providers use photoshop as an alternative to going to the gym
I'll share a little secret with you: often times, the BMW and the luxury trip to Saint Barts that providers flaunt as gifts from clients are actually purchases made by themselves, pretending that a big client made them. And sometimes, they haven't even bought the "gift" and are showing off something that belongs to someone else.
It's a strange flex, as a woman's wealth doesn't typically attract men in the same way that a man's wealth attracts women.
And an escort doing it can actually be a big turn off for alot of guys.
Peer social flex? It's probably not for us then.
I agree with alot of this @LC18 , below in red are the parts I either disagree with or offer a different perspective on:
• They were in their late twenties - mid thirties
→ Because it takes time to get to that level
Disagree, We need to consider appearance, and it's typically younger women between 18 and 30 who are considered the most attractive. Cut off might actually be a lower age.
I don't believe it takes a long time for a woman to become successful in this industry. Having many years experience in the industry might not always be beneficial, and can lead to negative personality traits, as well as laziness (not always, but someties). Additionally, if she is very popular, she may not need to advertise anymore at some point. I would say around 21-28 is usually the prime.
Many providers in the industry are only interested in doing this short term and making quick money whilst being as discrete as possible. Despite this, many of these providers still offer high-end services.
• They didn’t have that many lingerie photos
→ They want you to be able to picture yourself taking her to a fancy restaurant or to a charity event maybe.
I don't agree. I believe that many men just want to see the woman's body accurately in photos. The more photos, the better.
I see a lot of use of photoshop and editing, which, personally, makes the provider appear lower quality to me.
Many high networth men aren't taking providers out for fancy dinners, charity events, or trips because they have many other options of woman for those activities.
id also ad some of the best and highest end providers I have seen don't necessarily have best photos.
And almost no provider has videos, which would be great for business if they have a high end body
• They didn’t have tattoos or very small tasteful ones
→ The people with the kind of money to hire a high end SP are usually conservative people and would probably not be into very visible tattoos.
I personally agree with this one, and I think in general you are right
• They had a beautiful website with only a few pages. Only the essentials such as: About, visuals, rates and FAQ
→ A clean, professional and expensive looking website sure helps.
I think having a nice website is helpful, but many providers don't include important details like their age, height, and weight. A fancy website doesn't matter if the pictures aren't accurate. Also, some of the top providers I've seen don't even have a website, they just have ads.Same goes with agencies, one of the best agencies in vancouver doesnt even have a website.
If they have a website, it should be simple to use and provide helpful information.
Theres also some who want to avoid leaving a large digital footprint to protect their future
• They were on social media but only to post photos, a few tweets and go back to their activities.
→ A lot of times, I have seen people engaging in what we call “Twitter drama”. It is not a good look. Clients don’t care and it also makes you look like you have way too much time on your hands…maybe because you aren’t being booked.
I totally agree with this. I would also say that talking badly about men, making generalizations about men, and making fun of clients is low end behaviour.
• They usually had a large following but in return didn’t follow many accounts so if you made it to the short list of people they were following, you were part of the cool gang.
→ Because their photos are always impeccably done, they always receive gifts that are most definitely on your wishlist and travel to Pinterest like destination, it’s easy to understand how they gathered so many followers.
Having a lot of Twitter followers doesn't really matter for a provider. Showing off "Pinterest-like" pictures is just to show off to other providers. Men who book them aren't concerned about that, we just want to see what they look like without much clothing. Plus, all of this can be easily faked.
• Rate structure. The point that you were probably waiting for. I’ve noticed it was always kind of mysterious, no hourly rates and the words “up to” were often used. Exemple: $3,500 for up to 6 hours
→ They’re rarely clock watchers and they don’t really do 60 or 90 mins dates. They push dinner dates, lunch dates and events more than anything.
I disagree. Many of the high net-worth and attractive men are only interested in this for sex. It's nice if you connect with the provider and get along well, but the main reason they are booking is for sex.
Many of these men are busy and don't have time for long appointments. They often don't want them either. These men have plenty of attractive women who want to be with them without any cost. They might also have sugar babies. They have friends and a lively social life. So, they usually go to providers just for sex. The exceptions being if they are travelling or something like that.
There are many men, especially wealthy ones, who only choose 30 or 60-minute appointments and prefer them over longer ones.
I am fortunate to have been with many high-priced providers. As I've mentioned before, they always seem to have plenty of available time slots when I try to book with them. I don't think they are as busy and have as many clients as they claim to have.
Many providers who claim not to have hourly rates actually do if you ask them, even though they are not mentioned on their websites or advertisements.
• Most were face out but I’ve noticed it was usually the American ones. The Canadian ones weren’t because they want to be able to travel down to the States.
→ Like I’ve mentioned many times, the U.S.A are a little bit hostile when it comes to SWs crossing the borders even if they have no intention working there.
I actually do think providers who are face out probably can justify higher rates. but that doesn't mean they are high-end. However, in my experience, they often edit their face in pictures too and may not look as good in person.
• It was known or assumed that they had a long term arrangement with a whale and were just seeing a few clients on the side.
→ This justifies the high rates. If you already have a whale giving you 10-20,000 a month, do you really care if your high rates don’t attract many clients?
im sure thats the case for a very very tiny fraction of provider,. but theres a reason its common for escorts to fail or not do as well at sugar dating. Once they are competing with a much larger pool of attractive and younger woman, there isn't enough money or sugar daddies to go around. Also alot of well known or high net-worth guys don't want to be seen in public with an escort to be honest (sorry for being harsh) thats just the reality, people know.
Many men in this discussion have mentioned that high rates don't guarantee good service, attitude, or looks. Some women may charge high rates to work fewer hours, but I don't think they are as successful as they claim to be in general. Meanwhile there are many high end providers charging reasonable rates, and those ones seem to be making the most money.
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• They have a 10/10 look. By that I don’t mean that they are a 10/10 on the attractiveness scale but more that their clothes always fit, their hair are always well done, their nails and grooming. Fresh face whether they’re wearing makeup or not.
→ If you’re going to pay in the 4 figures to spend time with someone, you would expect them to have the money to get the best upkeeps.
Sure, I guess that stuff nice. but It seems like not many providers prioritize going to the gym regularly (4-7 days a week), eating a healthy nutritious diet, and monitoring their macronutrient intake. And thats the most important aspect in maintaining their physical appearance. Its obvious a lot of providers aren't very physically fit. Some are, but its rare. I would think thats a necessary prerequisite to being a high end provider.
High end digs goes a long way to make a high end provider. Everything cleaned up and aesthetic. Both her and the pad with a good view. Athletic, fresh, natural.
"High end" can mean many things, but in the end, a truly high end provider will leave you realizing that there is a much higher bar across the board for other ladies you meet to aspire to, but will ultimately fail in attempting to do so, should they even be aware of such a bar being possible in the first place.
Quite simply, does your idea of beauty, brains and body match up against the price the SP wants (hourly wage) upfront. Extras to be all inclusive provided they are the SP choices.
Nobody likes the upselling of extras. It seems the trend today is to charge for any extra above and beyond just FS. Things like kissing, bbbj, cob, cof, cim, daty, dato, bls, greek and other extras. My opinion of extras costing so much today, it just drains the experience.
Service is expected to be 8-10. Attitude should be 9-10. Physically fit/toned. Enthusiasm and being the best Oscar actress in the world with a genuine smile on her face.
A guy should see the SP 's ad and say I'd love to see/tap that lady. Go see her and when she meets all the guy's expectations ( SP's advertised services) and when he leaves is totally satisfied. Not drained of sperm and money and thinking I'll never see her again as the guy leaves (it goes back to service and attitude).
Todays market for Service Providers is hampered by that Canadian Bill (C-??), which affects advertising, that most SPs don't advertise their full menu, which makes upselling a byproduct of that legal fuckery.
Nobody likes the upselling of extras. It seems the trend today is to charge for any extra above and beyond just FS. Things like kissing, bbbj, cob, cof, cim, daty, dato, bls, greek and other extras. My opinion of extras costing so much today, it just drains the experience.
Service is expected to be 8-10. Attitude should be 9-10. Physically fit/toned. Enthusiasm and being the best Oscar actress in the world with a genuine smile on her face.
A guy should see the SP 's ad and say I'd love to see/tap that lady. Go see her and when she meets all the guy's expectations ( SP's advertised services) and when he leaves is totally satisfied. Not drained of sperm and money and thinking I'll never see her again as the guy leaves (it goes back to service and attitude).
Todays market for Service Providers is hampered by that Canadian Bill (C-??), which affects advertising, that most SPs don't advertise their full menu, which makes upselling a byproduct of that legal fuckery.
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Stellar post, thank you for sharing . It is like a guide to what to look for in a provider. Perb post of the Year! Or for as many years as I have been reading Perb.
A professionally written ad.
No excessive emojis, slang, typos, hostile negative language (example - 10 bullets of "no's") , trashy photos, or cliche statements (ie. "Good service isn't cheap and cheap service isn't good".. if you have to say it... 🙄).
You usually find this with lower end touring folk. I just gloss right over them.
No excessive emojis, slang, typos, hostile negative language (example - 10 bullets of "no's") , trashy photos, or cliche statements (ie. "Good service isn't cheap and cheap service isn't good".. if you have to say it... 🙄).
You usually find this with lower end touring folk. I just gloss right over them.
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-Someone who's a low-volume provider. I have observed that all good SPs I know are low-volume which allows them to be at their best.
-Has excellent hygiene.
-Clear about her policies (i.e. references, screening, fees, deposits etc.).
-Is a good conversationalist and makes you comfortable. (Some ladies are quiet but they have the knack of making one comfortable.)
-Charges for her time. Services depend on comfort, chemistry, etc.
-Plans her itinerary in advance.
-Has a well-written ad or website or social media account. (Website and social media aren't necessary but helpful.)
-Has photos taken by professional photographers.
-Above all, she's has to be a Goddess. 😍 😉
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I agree, but how do you know she is low volume?
you mean like offering special rates or services to certain clients only?
Those are nice, but are usually extremely edited, with perfect lighting, and perfect angles, and arent very representative of what you will see irl.
id say that more casual photos can be just as good. or a mixture of casual and professional. you gotta remember the new iphones have insanely nice camera quality, and woman are experts at taking selfies.
The most important factor with photos is that they are recent, and an accurate representation of what she looks like irl
probably would start at $500, but drop down her rates to $300 once she realized there wasnt much demand for late 40s woman.
