I'm sad for this teen

[sdw]

In the National Post, there is an article about a teen that shot his father dead when his armed father invaded the house to terrorize and brutalize his wife and two children. The son shot his father dead while his father was busy choking his mother to death.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/w...-only-to-find-out-it-was-his-estranged-father

The Police, of course, have not charged the teen with any crime - and won't be. Not in Florida, with their gun laws.

However, this teen will spend the rest of his life wondering if he did the right thing. Perhaps there was an alternative. He'll find that speaking of this to any prospective future partner will mean the end of the relationship in short order. He'll never be able to have a complete relationship, in order to have a relationship - there will always be "THE SECRET" that cannot be mentioned. He'll have to come up with some facile bullshit explanation for his nightmares, because the truth will have his partner packing her bags as soon as she has heard the truth. He will find that his partner can never be introduced to his mother or sister - because they don't seem to understand that telling his partner how he saved their lives will always result in his partner running away as fast as she can.

 

[uncleg]

In the National Post, there is an article about a teen that shot his father dead when his armed father invaded the house to terrorize and brutalize his wife and two children. The son shot his father dead while his father was busy choking his mother to death.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/w...-only-to-find-out-it-was-his-estranged-father

The Police, of course, have not charged the teen with any crime - and won't be. Not in Florida, with their gun laws.

However, this teen will spend the rest of his life wondering if he did the right thing. Perhaps there was an alternative. He'll find that speaking of this to any prospective future partner will mean the end of the relationship in short order. He'll never be able to have a complete relationship, in order to have a relationship - there will always be "THE SECRET" that cannot be mentioned. He'll have to come up with some facile bullshit explanation for his nightmares, because the truth will have his partner packing her bags as soon as she has heard the truth. He will find that his partner can never be introduced to his mother or sister - because they don't seem to understand that telling his partner how he saved their lives will always result in his partner running away as fast as she can.

....and you came to this conclusion based on...?????????????

 

[sdw]

....or, how about he will be forever revered as a hero for saving his mothers life!!!

You only think that he will be revered as a hero.

I could give you numerous examples of how wrong you are - but I'll give you the example of some true Canadian Heroes.

In 2002 a Canadian sniper team killed the members of a Taliban mortar team. One of the "kill" shots was the longest shot of it's kind at the time. (2430 Meters) In 2003, the USA asked permission from the Canadian government to award the Bronze Star to the members of the Canadian sniper team. Permission was refused.

Much diplomatic wrangling ensued. The Canadian government of 2002 was replaced and the new Canadian government continued to exchange diplomatic letters with the USA until 2005.

All of the members of the Canadian sniper team had been "encouraged" to leave the Canadian Forces because - obviously - Canada can't have stone cold killers in it's military. That simply can't be tolerated.

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/we-were-abandoned/

Yet days later, their heroics on the mountain would be overshadowed by suspicion, including stunning allegations that one sniper, in a subsequent mission, sliced himself a souvenir from the battlefield: the finger of a dead Taliban fighter. Military police launched a criminal investigation, but uncovered nothing but denials. As the months wore on, there emerged so many conflicting accusations and supposed explanations that no charges were ever laid. Even Rob Furlong's record-breaking shot became lost in the confusion. In fact, until now, a different sniper has been widely — and incorrectly — credited with pulling the trigger on that long-distance kill.

Today, more than four years later, three of the five decorated snipers who served in Afghanistan are no longer in the army, brushed aside by a military machine that seemed all too willing to watch them go. Persecuted instead of praised, they fell victim to what many still believe was a witch hunt driven by jealousy and political correctness. Arron Perry was pushed out the door. Furlong left on his own, so disillusioned that he could barely stomach the thought of putting on his uniform. Graham Ragsdale — the leader of the unit — suffered perhaps the worst fate. Stripped of his command and later diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder, he has spent the ensuing years battling deep depression.

http://cryptical07.blogspot.ca/2008/01/betrayal-of-3-ppcli.html

In 2005, the new Conservative government agreed to allow the sniper team to receive the Bronze Star - provided that it was a private ceremony, with no pictures and with no mention of the ceremony in the press. The American Ambassador pinned the Bronze Star on the five members of the sniper team - in a hotel room - just the 6 people in the room - 3 of the sniper team were had already been drummed out of the Canadian Forces, one would be drummed out in the following year and the last one was on medical leave for suicidal depression.

In 2008, the Conservative government asked the American government to award the Bronze Star to the Company of 3PPCLI that the sniper team had been members of. Stephen Harper and many of his Cabinet attended the "Photo OP" and had their pictures taken with the 26 members of 3PPCLI that weren't known to have actually killed anyone. The 5 members of the sniper team - were of course - not invited. Canada can't have stone cold killers in their armed forces.

I was a member of the American Armed Forces. I can tell many such stories. I don't because even SPs won't see a stone cold killer.

 

[overdone]

He'll have to come up with some facile bullshit

you'd seem to be able to be the perfect life coach for him then

I see another shooting in that future of his though ound:

 

[sybian]

Killing someone in self defence...Or as an act of duty...Or in defence of a loved one....Is something that is difficult to talk about.
There are some that will look upon you as a hero, and some that will look upon you as different in some way.
Being so young and being forced to make that split second decision to squeeze that trigger is an unfair situation to put him into..But it is done.
When a confrontation happens, and someone else is attacked, and their life is in danger, it is a natural instinct of self preservation to keep a distance from the attack your not involved in, but have the power to stop...And a firearm equalizes things in those brief moments that you can never take back.
He has to live with the fact that he took away everything his Father had, and everything he's ever going to have,...But saved his own Mothers life.
It will come up in conversations, and unfortunatley he will have to mature ,and grow up at an accelarated rate.
His reality and world has changed, but it isn't over. From personal experience...My heart does go out to him, and his family.

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

You only think that he will be revered as a hero.

I could give you numerous examples of how wrong you are - but I'll give you the example of some true Canadian Heroes.

In 2002 a Canadian sniper team killed the members of a Taliban mortar team. One of the "kill" shots was the longest shot of it's kind at the time. (2430 Meters) In 2003, the USA asked permission from the Canadian government to award the Bronze Star to the members of the Canadian sniper team. Permission was refused.

Much diplomatic wrangling ensued. The Canadian government of 2002 was replaced and the new Canadian government continued to exchange diplomatic letters with the USA until 2005.

All of the members of the Canadian sniper team had been "encouraged" to leave the Canadian Forces because - obviously - Canada can't have stone cold killers in it's military. That simply can't be tolerated.

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/we-were-abandoned/


http://cryptical07.blogspot.ca/2008/01/betrayal-of-3-ppcli.html

In 2005, the new Conservative government agreed to allow the sniper team to receive the Bronze Star - provided that it was a private ceremony, with no pictures and with no mention of the ceremony in the press. The American Ambassador pinned the Bronze Star on the five members of the sniper team - in a hotel room - just the 6 people in the room - 3 of the sniper team were had already been drummed out of the Canadian Forces, one would be drummed out in the following year and the last one was on medical leave for suicidal depression.

In 2008, the Conservative government asked the American government to award the Bronze Star to the Company of 3PPCLI that the sniper team had been members of. Stephen Harper and many of his Cabinet attended the "Photo OP" and had their pictures taken with the 26 members of 3PPCLI that weren't known to have actually killed anyone. The 5 members of the sniper team - were of course - not invited. Canada can't have stone cold killers in their armed forces.

I was a member of the American Armed Forces. I can tell many such stories. I don't because MOST SPs won't see a stone cold killer.

FIXED that for you. For every rule there are exceptions. A sniper is a tool to ensure maximum protection of your own forces and eliminate the biggest threats that face them. Some of us understand & STUDY such things. I've read Gywnne Dyer on WAR; I've read Hal Moore & Joe Galloway's account of the Ia Drang Valley, I've read & studied militaria for years. I give honour to men who deserve it.

Ms. E.

 

[sdw]

FIXED that for you. For every rule there are exceptions. A sniper is a tool to ensure maximum protection of your own forces and eliminate the biggest threats that face them. Some of us understand & STUDY such things. I've read Gywnne Dyer on WAR; I've read Hal Moore & Joe Galloway's account of the Ia Drang Valley, I've read & studied militaria for years. I give honour to men who deserve it.

Ms. E.

Ia Drang was really a conventional "set piece" battle. The Vietnamese ambushed the 3rd Calvary who were hoping to interdict reported movement of the Vietnamese Army.

Snipers are really about disrupting the command and control of the opposing force. The best example - from the Vietnam War - is Carlos Hathcock. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock He killed over 300, but is credited with 93. The reason is in the Wiki article. He made it so the Vietnamese Army had Officers and NCOs that were afraid to command because commanding earned you a bullet. While the American Forces appreciated Carlos, the upper command did not. He was never approved for a major medal for sniping. His Silver Star is for saving the life of people traveling in a vehicle that hit a IED.

Major Medals are important in the American Forces, that's why the Canadian Forces Members that were offered the Bronze Star took them. Each Major medal carries a pension. Each Campaign medal carries a pension. Since most members of the Forces know that they aren't going to make pensionable years unless they are in a rear echelon job - a member is very aware of what ribbons a fellow member has on their chest.

The equivalent to a Bronze Star in the Canadian Forces was to become a Queen's Corporal before Canada decided that foreign honors were not permitted. A Queen's Corporal was paid a pension equal to a Corporal's pay in addition to whatever pension they had earned with time served. There was also a pension attached the the Victoria Cross awarded to forces members of the Commonwealth. However P.E. Trudeau discontinued all foreign decorations in 1972. A Canadian had not been awarded the Victoria Cross since WWII. The pension attached to the Victoria Cross was equivalent to the pension attached to the American Medal of Honor.

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

Ia Drang was really a conventional "set piece" battle. The Vietnamese ambushed the 3rd Calvary who were hoping to interdict reported movement of the Vietnamese Army.

Snipers are really about disrupting the command and control of the opposing force. The best example - from the Vietnam War - is Carlos Hathcock. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock He killed over 300, but is credited with 93. The reason is in the Wiki article. He made it so the Vietnamese Army had Officers and NCOs that were afraid to command because commanding earned you a bullet. While the American Forces appreciated Carlos, the upper command did not. He was never approved for a major medal for sniping. His Silver Star is for saving the life of people traveling in a vehicle that hit a IED.

Major Medals are important in the American Forces, that's why the Canadian Forces Members that were offered the Bronze Star took them. Each Major medal carries a pension. Each Campaign medal carries a pension. Since most members of the Forces know that they aren't going to make pensionable years unless they are in a rear echelon job - a member is very aware of what ribbons a fellow member has on their chest.

The equivalent to a Bronze Star in the Canadian Forces was to become a Queen's Corporal before Canada decided that foreign honors were not permitted. A Queen's Corporal was paid a pension equal to a Corporal's pay in addition to whatever pension they had earned with time served. There was also a pension attached the the Victoria Cross awarded to forces members of the Commonwealth. However P.E. Trudeau discontinued all foreign decorations in 1972. A Canadian had not been awarded the Victoria Cross since WWII. The pension attached to the Victoria Cross was equivalent to the pension attached to the American Medal of Honor.

VERY familiar with the Hathcock story!

 

[hornygandalf]

It really does vary according to the person and the situation. Someone who was an important father figure for me when I was a teenager, had been in the Special Forces in the Malayan Emergency, and had shot two Communist guerrillas while on patrol (and had a bravery medal as a result). Would never talk about that incident, but he was (and is still... in his 90s) the kindest, most loving and openhearted person you could know. It is difficult to know the impact on the inside of a person, but on the outside you would never have known.

 

[sybian]

SDW....With all due respect to you, and your service...And too a fellow War Veteran ....Your not going to school Miss Erica on the points of war, and decoration of service.

She will never say so in her own defence, and I'm taking a huge liberty here, in speaking for her...
If the young lady will forgive me.......
With respect to the subject at question put forth in this forum...Miss Erica is more than qualified, and more than well versed on the subject of acts of war, the understanding of Military tactics, and the aftermath of the effects of service ,applied to civilian life.
There is a personal level of understanding there........Don't look at her as someone that doesn't know what your talking about....She doesn't look at you as a "stone cold killer." as you put it.

She very simply is a friend...That gets us, and as she says "Gives honour to men who deserve it."
In respect to your comment about the 2003 shot made by a Canadian Sniper,..the true distance was 2432 meters
[Unofficial]
...The first shot hit sports bag he was carrying, and the shot was adjusted 24 inches left , 20 inches high.......And you could fit your head in the exit wound.
The Dude that got the air let out of him, had done unspeakable things to women and children....

 

[sdw]

SDW....With all due respect to you, and your service...And too a fellow War Veteran ....Your not going to school Miss Erica on the points of war, and decoration of service.

She will never say so in her own defence, and I'm taking a huge liberty here, in speaking for her...
If the young lady will forgive me.......
With respect to the subject at question put forth in this forum...Miss Erica is more than qualified, and more than well versed on the subject of acts of war, the understanding of Military tactics, and the aftermath of the effects of service ,applied to civilian life.
There is a personal level of understanding there........Don't look at her as someone that doesn't know what your talking about....She doesn't look at you as a "stone cold killer." as you put it.

She very simply is a friend...That gets us.
In respect to your comment about the 2003 shot made by a canadian Sniper,..the true distance was 2432 meters {Unofficial**...The first shot hit sports bag he was carrying, and the shot was adjusted 24 inches left , 20 inches high.......And you could fit your head in the exit wound.
The Dude that dropped, had done unspeakable things to women and children....
I knew his track in the sand well.

I saw the YouTube that had all the liberals aghast. I have no idea why anyone would release the video to the press - but someone did.

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

SDW....With all due respect to you, and your service...And too a fellow War Veteran ....Your not going to school Miss Erica on the points of war, and decoration of service.

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Thank you Cowboy.