I'm Giving Up Pooning
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Everything you provided here just supports his statement. You guys want to make 'trafficking' into some kind of evil crime lord shackling women to the bed post. It isn't. It is simply a 3rd party getting paid to faciliate the transport of someone from location A to location B.
So it doesn't matter if the person is willing to go. It does matter that when they are here, the faciliators continue to make money off of every session fee. And it does matter that those fees are 'exploitive', meaning they are much lower than the average 'local' fees charged in the area.
I mean, it doesn't mean the sps are unwilling, or unhappy, and it doesn't mean they are forced to provide dangerous services to anyone who shows up (altho that might be true of any agency run setup). It only means there is 3rd party intervention getting the sp from location A to location B, and that 3rd party is paid for this service, and in being here, the sp is continuing to pay someone else while they are here.
It would be exactly the same to take a Canadian born legal sp living in Toronto, she pays someone to help her get set up here in Vancouver. That is also 'trafficking' by definition.
You are confusing sex slavery with human trafficking. Many maids and nannies are victims of trafficking, as are some construction workers and so on. They may be willing, but they can still be exploited due to the nature of who is bringing them in, and what happens once they are here though.
There were lots of sober younger ladies who would have been available to you. They simply charge more than what it appears you wanted to pay, and unlikely they wanted to 'hang out' with pot and pizza with you after the session time ends.
I saw the review posted and figured someone with this many years behind them couldn't be that deluded to think that having had one single appt with someone working out of a sketchy hotel or motel, that this would be the idea time to do an overnighter with her. Considering you are on this site, and have access to all kinds of info about doing that. And that you seem to have had more than a few bad dates with the sps you have been choosing. And yet the last one, so many red flags just reading the ad title lol.
It is pretty easy to read thru a few dozen posts btw.
I thought it was Krustee, lol.
Not that many people can have that much bad luck, without really going out of their way to make sure they are only finding the duds, and not the delights.
So trafficking is like a tourist buying a plane ticket from a travel agency or hiring a cab
that works for a company. I never realized i was being trafficked so much. When the
cab runs into a lot of traffic, what do they call that, trafficking squared.
Thank you Cherise:high5:
I am patiently waiting for Buzzed to come to his senses and remember all the wonderful, reliable, honest, clean, fair and sexy SP's he has the honor of banging. No one has said it yet but I bet almost all of us are thinking it. He has had some good times, met some pretty cool ladies and had some pretty sweet orgasm's thanks to the working ladies out there.
It the same as us women that have been abused by men, it leaves a bad taste in our mouth but for the most part we move past it and realize that not all men are abusive. We get over it partly because we love men! We need/crave them and can not live with out them. He's prolly guna blast me for saying so but he will get over this because he too, loves women and can not live with out them.
Let us pray that the next women to join him in his bed is not a junkie and doesn't try to rip him off! lol
I am patiently waiting for Buzzed to come to his senses and remember all the wonderful, reliable, honest, clean, fair and sexy SP's he has the honor of banging. No one has said it yet but I bet almost all of us are thinking it. He has had some good times, met some pretty cool ladies and had some pretty sweet orgasm's thanks to the working ladies out there.
It the same as us women that have been abused by men, it leaves a bad taste in our mouth but for the most part we move past it and realize that not all men are abusive. We get over it partly because we love men! We need/crave them and can not live with out them. He's prolly guna blast me for saying so but he will get over this because he too, loves women and can not live with out them.
Let us pray that the next women to join him in his bed is not a junkie and doesn't try to rip him off! lol
Thank you all for your patience but those who have met me know I have a rather busy life at times and I’m not the fastest one finger typewriter. Top that off I got logged of while typing too. I feel your arrrg!
First let me acknowledge the exceptional ladies that I have encounter over the years I know a couple are on here but most are not and my favorites retired years ago. I won’t dish names but you know who you are! Job well done! :clap2:
Second let me thank all those who took the time to email me giving me support. I won’t have time to answer all of them individually so please indulge me by allowing me to do it here in one shot. Thank you so much I really do appreciate it and they do help to lift my spirit.
My off the cuff remark that I had “only met one SP I thought was worth it” was I knee jerk reaction to the recent past after a long hiatus and grossly unfair to beautiful ladies I have had the pleasure of spending quality time with. I humbly withdraw that remark.
As pointed out over and over I am the author of my own misfortune due to bad choices and I do accept that. Mostly due to fact I am tolerant of drug users. I’ve know some very high functioning addicts over the years so maybe that has influenced my views.
I am not a “hater” in fact I love women and even hold an elected board position in female dominated organization and work diligently to move women’s, LGBT, and many other human rights issues forward. Most of my friends are women. My mentor (in real life) is a woman. I work with women every day. Other than a brief stint in radio I’ve worked in a service industry for most of my adult life so I understand a little something about that too.
The game and I suppose the times in general have changed and I obviously haven’t kept up. I was still operating under the delusion that people, all people, should be given the benefit of the doubt and assumed to be honest until they demonstrate otherwise. I choose to be trusting and I don’t want to become the jaded, bitter dude that won’t let their guard down for a minute. The treatment I’ve received of late in the hobby is appalling by any standard and changing my opinion of human nature. I don’t like what’s happening to me so it’s time to step back and re-evaluate.
With my 20-20 hindsight I probably should have just gone away quietly like I’m sure most disillusioned guys do and not bothered with the post that started this shit storm off. I didn’t see the propeller I was walking into. :doh:
eace: :wave:Actually you are completely clueless and as stunned as a deer in the headlights on a back country road....whilst these gals may not have the same language skills in English they are not totally bereft of it
either...it is a bit of a grey area.....for the most part these gals have worked in the 1-4-1's in Hong Kong
before coming to Canada and they come to Canada because even at 24-26 they are too old to work in
the 1-4-1's....asian men like young girls...the deceased Mr.Mao had a sicko penchant for 13 year old
virgins actually
With regards to working here yes they are working illegally as they dont say on thier visa application nor to the CBSA agent that they talk to when they enter the country that they will be working as an SP as they are not that stupid to do so.These gals go on a tour with a specific goal with that goal being to support thier
family or to raise money for an aducation(same thing as white western world SP's).One of my ATF micro
gals was Cara....she is drop dead beautifull and she could speak volumes with her eyes and her english
was pretty damn good as well and her service was through the roof.....it would explain the 20 something odd
dozens of red roses that decorated her bedroom and the scores of other presents she got from her clients during her record setting 8 week stretch at Sugarland...and her goal was to buy her family in Korea a home.
Answer this question Tugela....what kind of human trafficker sets loose the gal he/she has control of into the
company of a customer to go out in public when she is carrying 2 cellphones as well as $10,000 in cash and
with her own PASSPORT?
If you actually have areply to that you deserve a punch to the back of your shit filled skull.
Personally I am sick to death of all the slandering of the micros and for the most part it is propagated
by western white SP's that dont want to or cannot compete with them service wise as they feel that
they "are above that level of service"...meaning it is beneath them to clean up a man in the shower
and give him a BBBJ at the same and offer such things as BLS/DATO or a bodyslide and the like.As for the
"white knights" who join in on the micro bashing....fuck you guys are just plain pathetic.
In regards to this thread it is no surprise that pillowtalk joined in and bashed the micros...just another
SP(possibly retired) that hates them and the service that they give that she feels is beneath her.
SR
After 20 years of pooning off and on I'm giving it up after not one but two very, very disappointing nights this weekend. I just can't take all the drama, rip-offs, fakes and flakes in this hobby any more. I have only met a single SP in the last couple of years that was honest straight forward and professional and that I would want to spend my time and hard earned money on.
The rampant drug abuse and shady dealings have ruined the whole hobby any sense of honour or integrity is long gone. I just can't believe the attitude I've been running into lately. I personally have no problem with recreational drug usage, I do it myself, but it seems everyone is out of control these days with the drugs being the focus instead of an enhancement.
I might just as well masturbate because either way I'm just fucking myself and masturbating is whole lot cheaper.
I see young fellows posting here that they want to get into this hobby. My advice to you is to save yourself a whole shit load of headaches, money and maybe even your personal safety and don't even think about it. Watch porn and whack off it easier, safer and in most cases more satisfying. If you don't take this advice and you decide to take the plunge at least save your money until you can afford a high end escort who has great reviews here. Part of my problem is that I seldom have enough spare money to go high end so I took what I could get, wrong approach.
Anyway unless I get some serious apologies and redress from these total wastes of carbon I can't see myself continuing to toss good money after bad. I may still visit here to keep an eye on the scene but I will stay a spectator from now. I have learned a lot of hard lesons in this hobby and I will never say never but for the immediate future I'm out.
For god's sake - it has been decades since I got ripped-off by any sort of a working girl, and that despite interacting mostly with SW's. So I suggest that m-m-m-most of the reason for your drama, rip-offs, fakes, and flakes lies with you, and not with the girls.
Indeed there is rampant drug abuse, but at least on the streets you can get a fairly close look before committing to anything or anybody.
You need to alter your game plan if you think that "honour and integrity" have a major part in prostitution.
"Buyer beware" is a better motto.
Yet given the down economy, there are indisputably some female gems out there just trying to make ends meet, and who are stepping over to the dark side to help see themselves through. Forget the flakes you've been (demanding) for so many years, and upgrade your company for the good of everybody.
i really don't think we appreciate that whatever we put out there eventually comes back to us
and well what ever we want or seek in life we kind of get,
i mean we want a girl that will have sex with us for something as silly of paper, and yeah there are girls out there who will'
but then we want friendship love out of them free social time respect from them etc
you kind of have to give your head a shake on how stupid we sometimes are,
and well what ever we want or seek in life we kind of get,
i mean we want a girl that will have sex with us for something as silly of paper, and yeah there are girls out there who will'
but then we want friendship love out of them free social time respect from them etc
you kind of have to give your head a shake on how stupid we sometimes are,
Really, that's what you got from that? What part of that made you think that a tourist is even remotely comparable to someone going anywhere specifically to work? I can see how you come about your bbfs conclusions, if that is typical of your leaps of logic.
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My god, that happened one time 5 years ago, and you are still bringing up the example of the sp taken to the bank?
Even you admit they are working illegally, what part of that is illegal is so hard for you to comprehend?
This has nothing to do with micro bashing, and the fact that you drag it there is ridiculous. What is your agenda anyway? What kind of payoffs do you get to promote these places, since you bring it up? Why do you think it is ok for sex workers to work below minimum wage, but not yourself? I mean we all know you hang out there, have lunch made for you in exchange for good reviews, have the power to get new sps fired from your favourite location, but beyond that, why would you continue to make these baseless claims and accusations about other members here?
This is what you said to another member here:
You benefit from the traffickers exploitive ways, and you exploit them as well, but that still has nothing to do with the fact of trafficking.
I really believe the moderators need to ban you for that statement. That is probably one of the worst things you have ever said, and you have said some pretty vile and disgusting things, all because you still want to be seen as a decent guy (who enjoys the exploitive conditions illegal sex workers work in?) I don't get it, really.
Your comments once again, so off the point, and really disgusting.
Actually you are completely clueless and as stunned as a deer in the headlights on a back country road....whilst these gals may not have the same language skills in English they are not totally bereft of it
either...it is a bit of a grey area.....for the most part these gals have worked in the 1-4-1's in Hong Kong
before coming to Canada and they come to Canada because even at 24-26 they are too old to work in
the 1-4-1's....asian men like young girls...the deceased Mr.Mao had a sicko penchant for 13 year old
virgins actually
With regards to working here yes they are working illegally as they dont say on thier visa application nor to the CBSA agent that they talk to when they enter the country that they will be working as an SP as they are not that stupid to do so.These gals go on a tour with a specific goal with that goal being to support thier
family or to raise money for an aducation(same thing as white western world SP's).One of my ATF micro
gals was Cara....she is drop dead beautifull and she could speak volumes with her eyes and her english
was pretty damn good as well and her service was through the roof.....it would explain the 20 something odd
dozens of red roses that decorated her bedroom and the scores of other presents she got from her clients during her record setting 8 week stretch at Sugarland...and her goal was to buy her family in Korea a home.
Answer this question Tugela....what kind of human trafficker sets loose the gal he/she has control of into the
company of a customer to go out in public when she is carrying 2 cellphones as well as $10,000 in cash and
with her own PASSPORT?
Personally I am sick to death of all the slandering of the micros and for the most part it is propagated
by western white SP's that dont want to or cannot compete with them service wise as they feel that
they "are above that level of service"...meaning it is beneath them to clean up a man in the shower
and give him a BBBJ at the same and offer such things as BLS/DATO or a bodyslide and the like.As for the
"white knights" who join in on the micro bashing....fuck you guys are just plain pathetic.
In regards to this thread it is no surprise that pillowtalk joined in and bashed the micros...just another
SP(possibly retired) that hates them and the service that they give that she feels is beneath her.
SR
My god, that happened one time 5 years ago, and you are still bringing up the example of the sp taken to the bank?
Even you admit they are working illegally, what part of that is illegal is so hard for you to comprehend?
This has nothing to do with micro bashing, and the fact that you drag it there is ridiculous. What is your agenda anyway? What kind of payoffs do you get to promote these places, since you bring it up? Why do you think it is ok for sex workers to work below minimum wage, but not yourself? I mean we all know you hang out there, have lunch made for you in exchange for good reviews, have the power to get new sps fired from your favourite location, but beyond that, why would you continue to make these baseless claims and accusations about other members here?
This is what you said to another member here:
Because YOU won't admit the definition of trafficking is exactly what it is, and that the sps can be perfectly willing and free to roam around, it still doesn't change the definition. Trafficking is not the same thing as sex slavery.
You benefit from the traffickers exploitive ways, and you exploit them as well, but that still has nothing to do with the fact of trafficking.
I really believe the moderators need to ban you for that statement. That is probably one of the worst things you have ever said, and you have said some pretty vile and disgusting things, all because you still want to be seen as a decent guy (who enjoys the exploitive conditions illegal sex workers work in?) I don't get it, really.
Your comments once again, so off the point, and really disgusting.
I think everyone had better take a few minutes to consider what they are writing. This thread is starting to get out of hand, and it seems to me at a very brief glance to be the same old argument with the same members. Give it a rest or calm down the rhetoric. If this kind of back and forth continues I will be forced to take a closer look at the thread and start to deal out some administrative actions. Guide yourselves accordingly.
Pillowtalk, your definition of trafficking said nothing about work, but rather this:
"It is simply a 3rd party getting paid to faciliate the transport of someone from location A to location B."
Furthermore, if you change the word tourist in my statement to worker:
"So trafficking is like a worker buying a plane ticket from a travel agency or hiring a cab
that works for a company. I never realized i was being trafficked so much. When the
cab runs into a lot of traffic, what do they call that, trafficking squared."
Perhaps you need to change your definition of trafficking one more time?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/trafficking
I'd recommend you look for it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking
To the OP, I understand how you feel. I have "lost" two regular SPs due to their increasing drug use. One started using meth, first snorting and within 6 months graduated to shooting up, went from a healthy 135lbs to a rack of bones. The other one started abusing oxy after a skiing injury and within a year was shooting up heroin and almost homeless. In both cases, I tried to sound the alarm bells but you can only help them if they want to be helped. In hindsight, I wished that I could've done more but I have a feeling it would have been in vain. By the end, I would show up for appointments only to find the dealer had arrived before I did. So I was part of the problem and that's when I knew I had to stop seeing them. It's a real shame because it felt like I had lost 2 friends.
"Most often, the word exploitation is used to refer to economic exploitation; that is, the act of using another person's labor without offering them an adequate compensation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation
This raises the question of what constitutes an "adequate compensation".
According to Pillowtalk this is based on wages in the country where the worker was transported:
"And it does matter that those fees are 'exploitive', meaning they are much lower than the average 'local' fees charged in the area."
But is that the proper definition, are they "much lower", how much lower would they have to be to qualify as being "much lower", and do the workers feel they are not recieving "adequate compensation"? Do law enforcement officials investigate employee earnings to determine if a case of human trafficking exists or not? Does Pillowtalk provide them with current industry rates for this purpose ;
What if they are recieving much more compensation than they could ever dream of obtaining in their home country? In many cases it is evident they come here because the wages offered in Canada are the exact opposite of "much lower" or "inadequate" compared to their origin nation, e.g. South Korea.
Should they be considered the "victims of human trafficking" if their situation re compensation & job environment is nothing like the following:
"Critics of foreign companies allege, for instance, that firms such as Nike and Gap Inc. resort to child labor and sweatshops in developing nations, paying their workers wages far lower than those that prevail in developed nations (where the products are sold). This, it is argued, is insufficient to allow workers to attain the local subsistence standard of living if working hours common in the first world are observed, so that working hours much longer than in the first world are necessary. It is also argued that work conditions in these developing-world factories are more unsafe and much more unhealthy than in the first world. For example, observers point to cases where employees were unable to escape factories burning down—and thus dying—because of locked doors, a common signal that sweatshop conditions exist. The Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire of 1911 was another example, but it occurred in the US, so the first world of then is the equivalent of the third world of today."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation
This raises the question of what constitutes an "adequate compensation".
According to Pillowtalk this is based on wages in the country where the worker was transported:
"And it does matter that those fees are 'exploitive', meaning they are much lower than the average 'local' fees charged in the area."
But is that the proper definition, are they "much lower", how much lower would they have to be to qualify as being "much lower", and do the workers feel they are not recieving "adequate compensation"? Do law enforcement officials investigate employee earnings to determine if a case of human trafficking exists or not? Does Pillowtalk provide them with current industry rates for this purpose ;
What if they are recieving much more compensation than they could ever dream of obtaining in their home country? In many cases it is evident they come here because the wages offered in Canada are the exact opposite of "much lower" or "inadequate" compared to their origin nation, e.g. South Korea.
Should they be considered the "victims of human trafficking" if their situation re compensation & job environment is nothing like the following:
"Critics of foreign companies allege, for instance, that firms such as Nike and Gap Inc. resort to child labor and sweatshops in developing nations, paying their workers wages far lower than those that prevail in developed nations (where the products are sold). This, it is argued, is insufficient to allow workers to attain the local subsistence standard of living if working hours common in the first world are observed, so that working hours much longer than in the first world are necessary. It is also argued that work conditions in these developing-world factories are more unsafe and much more unhealthy than in the first world. For example, observers point to cases where employees were unable to escape factories burning down—and thus dying—because of locked doors, a common signal that sweatshop conditions exist. The Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire of 1911 was another example, but it occurred in the US, so the first world of then is the equivalent of the third world of today."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation
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