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BJhunter

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...Vincent Lecavalier?

Take a look at this, and this is for the dumbass Nuckleheads, which fortunately for Ferris, he may know who Vinny plays for.

http://www.hockeyzoneplus.com/salaries/2168

Who's better value:

Sundin:
$10mill/per year (pro-rated, $5mill), 38 yrs old

LeCavalier:
$7.2mill/per year, 29 yrs old.

Before the Nuckleheads get all excited frantically waving their hands, faces beet red, and steam coming out of their nostrils like Ferry Bullis, I'm not suggesting the Nucks could've got Lecavalier; he's an untouchable, unavailable & untradable (well, so was gretzky ;) ).

What I'm talking about is VALUE. Sure, it's the unrestricted status that got Sundin that coin, but even more so, is the stupidity, ludicrosity, idiotic nature of continuous, pathetic Nucks management which curses them, the Nuckleheads, media and the like to three decades of futility, to be so desperatee and offer an over-the-hill player that kind of $$$.

i dont' care that he's rarely missed a game, or a point-a-game player. He's got at most 2 yrs left, with an attitude of a swedish player. he wont' play w/ the heart and desire of a Forsberg, whom I do respect as a player, so make a note of that, you Nuckleheads, lol.

So what that they beat them last nite by a goal, barely, whoop tee do!

How can anyone justify Sundin's worth, let alone to the Nucks? He better get us to the 2nd round b/c two home playoff games, which they say is about $2million of gate revenue) sure isn't going to cut this swiss crap swedish cheese player!

but of course, because BJH says negative things about the Nucks or Nuckleheads, then he gets all ripped up...when all I'm doing is stating the obvious fact!
 

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wow, who would figure that fans who love their team(any team) would defend there team whether it was true or not. right now the canucks are 5th in the west and playing alot better and sundin is helping them out. so for right now it was a good signing because they have two lines that can score instead of just one. in the end time will tell. i am surprised BJH didn't ask if sundin was good at oral:D
 
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LOL, another Canuck thread by BJHunter.


Anyway, how's this for value:

Daniel Sedin:
61 games played, 25 goals, 34 assists, 59 points.

Vincent Lecavalier:
62 games played, 25 goals, 30 assists, 55 points.



Daniel Sedin has more points than Vinny! Hell, Henrik also has more points than Vinny.

How do you like the Sedins now BJH?

And for the record, Sundin took less money and signed a pro-rated contract of 8.6 million not 10.
 

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I'm not a Canuck fan but this is a dumb post.

1. Like you said, Vinny wasn't and isn't coming to the West, what's the point of using him as an example? Plus, Vinny's contract is a joke.

2. With the Canucks cap room, why not overpay Sundin for ONE YEAR? This isn't Nashville or Phoenix that we're talking about. Vancouver isn't going to fold by overpaying $1mil. Plus even now, they still have more than enough money to spend. $4-5 million pro-rated? That's more than plenty of wiggle-room at trade deadline. This is definately the part where I have to question your knowledge of hockey. When you're talking about a CDN city, overpaying is only an issue if you run out of cap room.

3. Why would Sundin go to the West for less? Given the time that Sundin made his decision, if I was Sundin and VAN and NYR gave me the same offer, I would've taken NYR. In mid-Dec NYR was a golden gate. VAN needed an offer so high just for Sundin to consider leaving the East, New York, and 1st place team and join the Luongo-less, West, and plummeting canucks.

4. VAN's depth is almost laughable (BJH this is where you should've put all those lol's). VAN's offence LAST SEASON was almost laughable. If they want more firepower, it's through UFA's. They got a top 6 forward without giving up a single pick or prospect.

5. Given the UFA's out there? They weren't gonna get Jagr or Shanahan. VAN had to get Sundin. Imagine if they didn't get Sundin. Best you could hope for was for NYR to throw you a bone and pray you don't have to give up too many prospects. And what the hell do they do with $12 million cap room (approx., you canucks fans don't flame me on that) that they had? Unless you plan to dry your entire depth chart and grab every rental player out there at deadline, SPEND IT. NO playoff contender can ever waste that kind of cap room. And no CND city needs that kinda of cap room.

6. And again for ONE YEAR. That's perfect for a guy of Sundin's age. Try him this year and then dump him for younger UFA's next season or sign impending VAN UFA's.

I hate it when fans hate teams and try to give a reason. BOO they got crappy fans, crappy moves, crappy drafts. I don't know who you cheer for but every team has those crappy fans, moves and drafts.
In conclusion: Flames for the cup bitches!
 

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I'm not a Canuck fan but this is a dumb post.

1. Like you said, Vinny wasn't and isn't coming to the West, what's the point of using him as an example? Plus, Vinny's contract is a joke.

2. With the Canucks cap room, why not overpay Sundin for ONE YEAR? This isn't Nashville or Phoenix that we're talking about. Vancouver isn't going to fold by overpaying $1mil. Plus even now, they still have more than enough money to spend. $4-5 million pro-rated? That's more than plenty of wiggle-room at trade deadline. This is definately the part where I have to question your knowledge of hockey. When you're talking about a CDN city, overpaying is only an issue if you run out of cap room.

3. Why would Sundin go to the West for less? Given the time that Sundin made his decision, if I was Sundin and VAN and NYR gave me the same offer, I would've taken NYR. In mid-Dec NYR was a golden gate. VAN needed an offer so high just for Sundin to consider leaving the East, New York, and 1st place team and join the Luongo-less, West, and plummeting canucks.

4. VAN's depth is almost laughable (BJH this is where you should've put all those lol's). VAN's offence LAST SEASON was almost laughable. If they want more firepower, it's through UFA's. They got a top 6 forward without giving up a single pick or prospect.

5. Given the UFA's out there? They weren't gonna get Jagr or Shanahan. VAN had to get Sundin. Imagine if they didn't get Sundin. Best you could hope for was for NYR to throw you a bone and pray you don't have to give up too many prospects. And what the hell do they do with $12 million cap room (approx., you canucks fans don't flame me on that) that they had? Unless you plan to dry your entire depth chart and grab every rental player out there at deadline, SPEND IT. NO playoff contender can ever waste that kind of cap room. And no CND city needs that kinda of cap room.

6. And again for ONE YEAR. That's perfect for a guy of Sundin's age. Try him this year and then dump him for younger UFA's next season or sign impending VAN UFA's.

I hate it when fans hate teams and try to give a reason. BOO they got crappy fans, crappy moves, crappy drafts. I don't know who you cheer for but every team has those crappy fans, moves and drafts.
In conclusion: Flames for the cup bitches!
This guy knows what he's talking about, and he's a Flames fan.

Way to own BJH! Epic first post.



1. Like you said, Vinny wasn't and isn't coming to the West, what's the point of using him as an example? Plus, Vinny's contract is a joke.
THIS
 

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This guy knows what he's talking about,
this fact alone would prove that he's not a Canucks fan...

I've always looked at BJ Hunters posts as not so much a criticism of the Canucks team, but for the most part their dumbass fans, i.e. Nuckleheads, hockey market and media...

that and to stir the pot...

and maybe rightfully so...

the most cogent and articulate response to one of BJH's posts came from a Flames fan...

as I have said before, the two most dumbass smug hockey towns in Canada are Vancouver and Toronto...

both cities have center of the universe mentalities when it comes to their hockey teams and think it is their God given right to win the Stanley Cup...

as we speak the Leafs are on a four game winning streak, no doubt their dumbass fans and media are discussing parade route preparations...:rolleyes:

kind of like what goes on in Vancouver on a regular basis...:rolleyes:

listening to Canuck and Leaf fans talk about their respective teams is like being bombarded with white noise...

when you really think about it, both smug cities deserve each other...
 
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Nuckleheads are so hilarious!

this is EXACTLY how I read the Nuckleheads' reactions!!! lol...this is even easier than picking off sitting ducks at a firing range!

I don't care how many points that Sedin has compared to Vinny's, or Sundin's 1 yr is so 'perfect' for him and the Nucks due to cap space (but let's be serious, it serves him better for this gutless swede).

All I was implying that for given the talent, age & $$$ involved, Vinny's a better package in the long-run.

The stuff that Fairy Berry mentions means nothing. i wasn't talking about there. Guess I can't make myself clear to a Dink.

last time I checked, Vinny's won a Cup in LESS years in the NHL, where Sundin's done jack all.

And just to throw the pre-emptive strike first, who care who had this supporting cast, otherwise, we might as well talk about who Gretzky had vs Lemieux. Which makes debating about hockey interesting.

We can talk about all the why's, who's, etc. but at the end of the day, the best way of quantifying is this: how many Stanley Cups has that player won?

Vinny: 1
Sundin: 0, and always 0 b/c he's a soft Swede, & now he's a Nuck, PERMANENTLY 0

what's even sick that a few of you Nuckleheads actually would choose Sundin over Vinny!
 

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Gotta say LOL to who's replying to this, a FLAMES FAN. HAHA to canuck nation. Not enough intelligence lying around?

But seriously, why do you keep bringing up Vinny's contract? Look at it now! When TBL folds, Vinny's contract will be worth ZERO. Even if TBL survives to see 2020, they've locked down $10 million cap room for 7 SEASONS. Around 1/5 of their cap room will be locked in on one player.

Even if you believe Vinny's contract was great, there's no UFA remotely like Vinny. And getting Vinny was never an option (and from the likes of the contract and the lower cap next year, moving Vinny never will be an option). So the canucks had PLENTY cap room, no offence, and the list of UFA's? It starts and ends with Sundin for the canucks.

"All I was implying that for given the talent, age & $$$ involved, Vinny's a better package in the long-run." Do you have an idea what's going on? Sundin's contract isn't for the long-run and the canucks aren't looking for the long run. Sundin is a BANDAID. The canucks need temporary offence for this season until they can get new UFA's next season. It's true Sundin doesn't deserve $8.6 mill. But nothing less will get him into a uniform that isn't the NYR. It's also true the canucks overpaid but when you got $12 mill in cap room and ONE UFA out there, spend whatever you want (and they still have $4 million to spend).

Seriously this is like me comparing Kipper's contract to Brodeur's. We got Kipper locked in till 2013 for over $6 mill. NJ has Brodeur for 2012 for $5.2 mill. Brodeur owns Kipper. Feel free to compare Cups. But we have no chance of getting Brodeur so it DOESN'T MATTER. We have the cap room and Kipper gets the job done (most of the time). Or even Roloson locked in till end of this season for $3.6 mill cap room. Brodeur still offers more at his price but EDM will never get him, so it doesn't matter.

You say "nuckleheads" don't listen but neither do you and you're a moron. I don't know what you think about canuck fans, but you're dumber than any canuck fan I've met. Don't vote ever.
 

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Sorry but the center of the universe mentality lies only in TO. I've lived in VAN and TO and no one comes close to TO.
And VAN is similar to Calgary, just less racist with a crappy team. I've been in more fights in VAN so perhaps there's something to be said there. But then again maybe my friends and I are just more "vocal" at GM Place than canuck fans at the Saddledome.

But I am a bit amazed that the canucks are still in VAN. Crappy team for so long yet their fans still cheer them on. I used to think the entire canuck fanbase were bandwagoners but bandwagoners don't keep a team afloat for 39 miserable years. You canuck fans have to agree that you're a little delusional to be cheering on a team like that.
 

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all I'm doing is stating the obvious fact!
All you ever do is state the obvious. But then you back up the obvious with these ridiculous and factually flawed arguments.

Vinny is better than Mats.... No shit.
Vinny's contract is better value than Mats.... Wrong.

When the cap goes down over the next few years, Tampa will be screwed. And when Stamkos' rookie contract expires and he wants to get paid, they will have no choice but to ship him out of town.

Vinny's deal is like Kevin Garnetts old deal in Minnesota, which handcuffed that team and doomed them to mediocrity for nearly ten years. They had one star and a bunch of minimum wage scrubs.


this is EXACTLY how I read the Nuckleheads' reactions!!! lol...this is even easier than picking off sitting ducks at a firing range!
And that is exactly how I knew you would react.
Too dumb to admit your logic was flawed or to debate people intelligently. You just go back to your Nucklehead shtick. And of course your life-partner Hunsperger shows up with his pom-poms to cheer you on. You guys are both a couple of broken records.
 

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And of course your life-partner Hunsperger shows up with his pom-poms to cheer you on. You guys are both a couple of broken records.
You also forgot Jackng's pom poms too ;)

but it's true; why do the Nuckleheads have anything to cheer for in such a losing city? At least for me, I love the sport of hockey. Unlike a lot of Knuckleheads, I even watch a 'neutral' game, like a Flyers/Lightning game on espn.

What i find hilarious is that you guys are all over me, when I simply saying based on young talent like Vinny, why would anyone stupid enough, unless you're a Nuck management like the rest of them; Quinn, Burke, Kennan, Nonis; oh yeah, let any owner who wants to hire a GM, make sure you get these guys hahha...

of course we can't compare dollar for dollar since it's not much of a similarity; lenght of contract, UFA status, etc. which many of you guys fail to read or understand.

I'm glad someone there recognized that Sundin isn't worth $8.6 mill or whatever he's worth pro-rated, b/c there's no way him, or any Canuck, is worth that kind of $$$. which has been said many times, lol.

You guys are so hilarious! Maybe you guys are prob the rare breed to defend the Nucks, maybe some ACTUAL fans that do exist in this city, other than myself?! At least I don't see what's wrong bashing bandwagon fans.
 

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4. VAN's depth is almost laughable (BJH this is where you should've put all those lol's). VAN's offence LAST SEASON was almost laughable. If they want more firepower, it's through UFA's. They got a top 6 forward without giving up a single pick or prospect.
BINGO. :cool:
 

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When the cap goes down over the next few years, Tampa will be screwed. And when Stamkos' rookie contract expires and he wants to get paid, they will have no choice but to ship him out of town.
Agree with most of what you said except the above, they are already screwed. They couldn't afford the big three so they shipped out Brad Richards a couple of years ago. Then this past off season, they signed Ryan Malone and couldn't afford Dan Boyle who was shipped out. And Dan Boyle is having a Norris trophy worthy season, he is #4 in scoring amongst defenseman.

As far as Vinny's performance goes, he is not exactly setting the league on fire these days. In fact, he is not even in the top 30 in league scoring right now. As far as the playoffs goes, his team has not won a series since winning the Stanley cup. Not too many GMs would want to be saddled with his contract right now especially with the expectation that the salary cap will fall. I am a Montreal fan (I wonder what gave that away), and as much as I would like to see Vinny in a Habs jersey. I would not trade for him even if Tampa gave him away for a bag of pucks.

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You also forgot Jackng's pom poms too ;)

but it's true; why do the Nuckleheads have anything to cheer for in such a losing city? At least for me, I love the sport of hockey. Unlike a lot of Knuckleheads, I even watch a 'neutral' game, like a Flyers/Lightning game on espn.

What i find hilarious is that you guys are all over me, when I simply saying based on young talent like Vinny, why would anyone stupid enough, unless you're a Nuck management like the rest of them; Quinn, Burke, Kennan, Nonis; oh yeah, let any owner who wants to hire a GM, make sure you get these guys hahha...

of course we can't compare dollar for dollar since it's not much of a similarity; lenght of contract, UFA status, etc. which many of you guys fail to read or understand.

I'm glad someone there recognized that Sundin isn't worth $8.6 mill or whatever he's worth pro-rated, b/c there's no way him, or any Canuck, is worth that kind of $$$. which has been said many times, lol.

You guys are so hilarious! Maybe you guys are prob the rare breed to defend the Nucks, maybe some ACTUAL fans that do exist in this city, other than myself?! At least I don't see what's wrong bashing bandwagon fans.
Wait a minute, this moron lives in VAN?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. So you guys are stuck with the canucks and this guy? HAHAHAHAHA. You were right for saying sooo many times, this is hilarious.
And really? You don't want to consider length of contract, UFA status, etc.? You don't know what Sundin is worth pro-rated? What's left to talk about?
And again you bring up Vinny. No shit he's better than Sundin. And so are alot of players (honestly most of which would've been a better comparison, LOL at Vinny's contract). But NONE of them are available short-term or long-term.
Seriously this is in my top 20 for ignorant "fans". And PLEASE TELL ME YOU GREW UP IN VAN. I love hearing about people in VAN who feel in love with other teams because the canucks suck. I've got more respect for fans in Phoenix. But even if not, I glad you found your way to VAN.
And all you want to do is bash the canucks, regardless of logic. It's not hard to bash the canucks! Yet you manage to mess it up. HAHA.
 

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All I was implying that for given the talent, age & $$$ involved, Vinny's a better package in the long-run.
No shit. You should be kicked by captain obvious for already stating the obviously obvious.

You guys are so hilarious!
no u

You say "nuckleheads" don't listen but neither do you and you're a moron. I don't know what you think about canuck fans, but you're dumber than any canuck fan I've met.
Burn :D
 

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It's comical how this thread turned out. These knuckleheads sure are so crazy to think that this is even a remotely good team. 10 wins out of 12 sound good, but watch how they'll burn out.

It's delusional, and I'm just pointing out the aimless, unrealistic expecations of this team.

any team that needs these Sissy sisters for a top line, and w/ an aging Sundin, $8million or free, I would'nt take these swedes, is NOT going to go far in the playoffs.

The Rats have been cycling their predictable, boring game that every team has picked on in the playoffs, to which why we are where we are. We can't win. Let's face it.

Knuckleheads, quit believing in this fantasy world that you live in. Where were you guys in Jan.? Oh yes, that's right, inside every one of you, you were secretly hoping for Vigneault to get fired...it was so heaty on the talk show, even I thought it was going to happen, but didn't matter, doesn't make a difference. he can't stop pucks or score goals, I have faith in the same result and seeing the devastation amongst you Knuckleheads!

go canucks go!
 

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It's comical how this thread turned out. These knuckleheads sure are so crazy to think that this is even a remotely good team. 10 wins out of 12 sound good, but watch how they'll burn out.

It's delusional, and I'm just pointing out the aimless, unrealistic expecations of this team.

any team that needs these Sissy sisters for a top line, and w/ an aging Sundin, $8million or free, I would'nt take these swedes, is NOT going to go far in the playoffs.

The Rats have been cycling their predictable, boring game that every team has picked on in the playoffs, to which why we are where we are. We can't win. Let's face it.

Knuckleheads, quit believing in this fantasy world that you live in. Where were you guys in Jan.? Oh yes, that's right, inside every one of you, you were secretly hoping for Vigneault to get fired...it was so heaty on the talk show, even I thought it was going to happen, but didn't matter, doesn't make a difference. he can't stop pucks or score goals, I have faith in the same result and seeing the devastation amongst you Knuckleheads!

go canucks go!
This is incredible, I think we finally lucked out with some truth here. Sure there's absolutely NO SUBSTANCE but the main points are there. Allow me to translate this LOL of a rant to something intelligent.

It's comical how this thread turned out. These knuckleheads sure are so crazy to think that this is even a remotely good team. 10 wins out of 12 sound good, but watch how they'll burn out.
Comical? Absolutely. Who hasn't gotten a laugh out of this guy?
The other part is dumb. The canucks are at the very least a good team. But also at the very most are just a good team. The class of the West is still Detroit, San Jose, and Chicago.

It's delusional, and I'm just pointing out the aimless, unrealistic expecations of this team.
Well that's just pointless typing. And he didn't even do that. Wasn't he comparing Vinny and Sundin? Man that was good. There was no mention of expectations.

any team that needs these Sissy sisters for a top line, and w/ an aging Sundin, $8million or free, I would'nt take these swedes, is NOT going to go far in the playoffs.
Finally, the GOOD STUFF. It's no mystery that the Sedins disappear come playoff time and nobody even remembers the last time Sundin was even in the playoffs.
And again, the class of the West is still DET, SJS, and CHI. And since we're not letting go of 3rd seed, the canucks are facing one of these teams in the 1st round. Then it's heading out to the 18 holes.

The Rats have been cycling their predictable, boring game that every team has picked on in the playoffs, to which why we are where we are. We can't win. Let's face it.
See the above point. And "WE"? Dear god please tell me this guy is a canuck fan. This is awesome.

Knuckleheads, quit believing in this fantasy world that you live in. Where were you guys in Jan.? Oh yes, that's right, inside every one of you, you were secretly hoping for Vigneault to get fired...it was so heaty on the talk show, even I thought it was going to happen, but didn't matter, doesn't make a difference. he can't stop pucks or score goals, I have faith in the same result and seeing the devastation amongst you Knuckleheads!
Firing the coach would've done nothing. He hasn't forgotten how to coach in the last 2 months. Canuck problems have and always will run deep. And it's easy to fire the coach but who do you replace him with? And do you honestly believe a new coach gets far in the playoffs?
Oh and apparently things can get "heaty" and "nuckleheads" is spelled with a "K" now. I'll bring this up at the next Flames meeting.

go canucks go!
He was raped in a wine cellar.
 

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It's comical how this thread turned out. These knuckleheads sure are so crazy to think that this is even a remotely good team. 10 wins out of 12 sound good, but watch how they'll burn out.

It's delusional, and I'm just pointing out the aimless, unrealistic expecations of this team.

any team that needs these Sissy sisters for a top line, and w/ an aging Sundin, $8million or free, I would'nt take these swedes, is NOT going to go far in the playoffs.

The Rats have been cycling their predictable, boring game that every team has picked on in the playoffs, to which why we are where we are. We can't win. Let's face it.

Knuckleheads, quit believing in this fantasy world that you live in. Where were you guys in Jan.? Oh yes, that's right, inside every one of you, you were secretly hoping for Vigneault to get fired...it was so heaty on the talk show, even I thought it was going to happen, but didn't matter, doesn't make a difference. he can't stop pucks or score goals, I have faith in the same result and seeing the devastation amongst you Knuckleheads!

go canucks go!
LOL, I love how BJHunter gets more frustrated with every win.


These knuckleheads sure are so crazy to think that this is even a remotely good team .It's delusional, and I'm just pointing out the aimless, unrealistic expecations of this team.
Somebody call a whaaaambulance, BJHunter just can't handle the fact that the Canucks are a good team.

Are they Stanley Cup contenders? Not really, but they do have goaltending and we all know what a hot goaltender can do for you in the playoffs.
 

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Hell, even Calgary won a cup with a shitty team :p ;)
 
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