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juniper

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Re shame: Many many years ago, when our cultural views were different regarding sexual activity for women, a woman who sold herself to men, especially men she did not know, was called a "whore" or "slut". There was definitely something shameful she would likely have felt about her activity.

Even now, one must differentiate between the upscale women who advertise here on PERB and the streetwalkers who permeate the lowest echelons of prostitution. In the latter case, nearly all have been sexually abused as children and/or teenagers and shameridden self-sense is a permanent part of their personality as a result and, it follows, that selling oneself for sex is also a shameful act deep down (for them). On the other hand, for women who choose to become SPs such as what we view here on PERB, to sell their own bodies and company in exchange for money, the shame factor does not really come into play. It is, if you like, simply a business like any other.

I have come to this conclusion through my experience of reading various comments, advertisements and threads on PERB and of myself meeting the more upscale kind of prostitutes (business women) over the years. This comes about due to the vastly changed cultural views of sex and women in Europe and North america over the years. Given this huge change, women are no longer brought up with the former view (think 1950s) of what constitutes appropriate sexual behaviour. A recent post on PERB about the wholesale availability of young (late teens, early twenties) women to the sex trade pretty much forced me to conclude that I had been wrong. As well, of course, are the women on PERB who comment on their own sexual activity and how they define themselves as business women who sell their bodies as well as their company. On the whole, I do not pick up any shame, not even hidden shame. Of course, they (the women) wish to be discreet. The penalty for public knowledge of such activities could be severe. Knowledge of their activities on the part of family and friends would often cause a break in valued relationships. That's what they say and I believe them. In essence, cultural norms trumphs all!

I was castigated for declaring my former views on the subject (shame). In fact, with the exception of a few understanding and mature responses, i.e., AubreyKisses who, at any rate, showed a good deal of wisdom quite beyond her chronological years, my own (former) perspective became increasingly crystallized. But since then, It has become apparent to me that the wholesale change in our cultural views about women's sexuality must be acknowledged and I am now, officially, acknowledging this.

Let me end with one, possibly awkward statement: Boxers and baseball players, used to the limelight, often have a very hard time accepting retirement (see Evander Holyfield or Jorge Posada). For the life of me, when it comes to SPs, I find it difficult to imagine 40 year old women who continues on in this career. To me, they are like star athletes who do not accept the fact that their time is done. For myself, I would never willingly pay for an aged woman, no way.

Finally, I thank the PERB community for reading this little blurb. Any and all respectfully written responses will be read with consideration.
 

lenharper

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40 is an aged woman? Aged? And if I'm paying for sex I sure as heck want it with a whore. And a damn good one. If you want a woman to be all GFE with you find a girlfriend. When I pay for a sexual encounter I want it with someone who can fuck like a pro and has a good time doing it. A Whore without shame
 

grusse

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the 40 yr old woman who continues may
not have any choice but to stay in the
business.
 

juniper

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I don't really care if you actually believe me or not, chevy529 but I'll give you a hint about cognitive processing: It's usually not linear.

As to older women, just not my cup of tea. Is that too politically incorrect for you? Now, can you actually respond to my analogy re over-the-hill athletes? I'd be interested in your thoughtful response.
 

Miss*Bijou

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Good for you. Work on it a little more about women over 40 and maybe I'll actually believe you. I doubt it. But maybe..

LOL seriously.


Juniper, have you considered that unlike athlethes, most women don't get involved at a young age and some are close to or even past 40 when they first get involved? I'm not sure how you can make that comparison, really. Obviously you prefer to see a sp in her 20's or teens, which is fine but what you don't seem to realize is that many men actually prefer to see sp's that are closer to their age, that have sexual experience that cannot be found in sp in their early 20's. Some men feel a more natural connection with someone closer to their age. They realize a woman in her 40's might be able to communicate and know what she likes and perhaps even have little or no insecurities that a younger sp might be deaing with. There's nothing wrong with your preference being for younger sp, there are lots of real and valid reasons for you and other men to prefer this. But you have to realize that everyone is different and loking for something and someone different in this hobby. Your personal reasons and preferences are simply not universal.

A woman in her 40's has a lot to offer for those men who have reasons different than yours - I'm not sure why you're so judgmental, close minded, negative and rude simply because something just happens to be different than what you like or seek. Do you not realize that just because you like something, it doesn't mean that every other person in the world likes the same thing for the same reasons? Life would be pretty boring if that were the case IMO.
 

kalel

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40 is an aged woman? Aged? And if I'm paying for sex I sure as heck want it with a whore. And a damn good one. If you want a woman to be all GFE with you find a girlfriend. When I pay for a sexual encounter I want it with someone who can fuck like a pro and has a good time doing it. A Whore without shame
agree, except the 40 thing. i'll take 2 20's instead. 40 is old to me since i'm shallow and i desire younger women.
 

Pirate Code

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lol

After reading your posts, I'm not surprised to find you 'apologizing' and throwing in with your 'apology' an even more insulting comment. Why would anyone here care what your cup of tea is? Many ladies only start their very successful escort careers when they are in their 40's. Why do you think your truth is THE truth? You want to analogize and generalize and herd people into your own neat little boxes to make you feel better because you've figured it all out.

What you end up doing is looking and sounding like an ass.
 

Miss*Bijou

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I don't really care if you actually believe me or not, chevy529 but I'll give you a hint about cognitive processing: It's usually not linear.

As to older women, just not my cup of tea. Is that too politically incorrect for you? Now, can you actually respond to my analogy re over-the-hill athletes? I'd be interested in your thoughtful response.
sure, here's why your comparison doesn't work.

we all more or less judge athletes using the same criteria; it's fairly easy to agree on what determines that a given player is good or not, or past his prime.

- their "stats"
- their skills on the field


People will "judge" sp's and how much they have to offer (them) based on their own personal set of criterias which are important to them.

Is it really that difficult to understand and differenciate? :confused:
 

laurel love

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I used to have a specific 'type' that I preferred to have sex with. Tall, dark and handsome.

I am pretty happy that I decided to pursue this business opportunity and learn that great sex can happen with blonds, red heads, grey heads and bald heads, and, all the various heights and body shapes as well.

I have been fussy about my age criteria these days, preferring the over 50 fellows, but, I have been pleasantly surprised by the maturity and skill set of some 27 year olds on the occasions when I do relent and see someone younger.

Too bad some people keep their life experiences bottled into one tiny margin. You are missing a lot!

If I could go back and do it all again I would fuck a lot more of the men who did not fit into my small and narrow idea of perfection.
 

juniper

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Well said, laurel love. In our youth, we often narrow ourselves considerably and...regret it later.
 

juniper

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pirate code: You appear to possess reading comprehension difficulties. I was not apologizing, just admitting that I was wrong and trying to describe how I went wrong.
 

Pillowtalk

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Interesting. An assumption that a 40 year old maybe is not just old, but is it also an assumption she's been a sex worker for over 20 years? Some of the 40 year old sps have less time in the biz than the ones in their early 20s. Not that long ago, I knew of a 22 year old who'd been working for over 7 years, and a 40 year old who'd had less than one year behind her.

Who do you think would be more open, more sexual, more fun to be with, the jaded 22 year old vet or the fresh faced 40 year old newbie lol. A few years ago, I'd say the overwhelming majority of young people teens, late teens and just 20s were overweight and out of shape. Looking at pics, no one would say that about Beautiful Anna or Very Veronica, so again, is it an assumption that the 40 or 40+ is less appealing than the 20ish year old, or is it a fact.

In this case, it was simply an opinion of the OP, presented as fact of course. Both those ladies put a much higher value on time spent with them than many many 22 year olds starting out in this biz, and a much higher value on their health, their business, and their future, as well.
 

sevenofnine

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im in my mid fifties ok spent the last few years in this hobby with a couple of mature sps
they i think have been in this hobby two decades each.
they are both completely different ok total as night and day in personality style
and i would even say life experiance.
they both i think would or could quit tomorrow
and be ok finicially not sure to be honest but i would say yes

but they both continue to work but only part time

its what they know its what they enjoy they tell me
i don't necessary think this hobby is that bad for the girls it can be for sure it can be.
i don't know, you have to ask the girls who have been in this two decades why there still here.
i don't want to put words in there mouth.
but obviously the pluses out weigh the negative.
and any concerns they have had about family finding out or kids whatever,
its allready happened or any guilt issues they have had to deal with they have dealt with or buried
to them its just a job that they have adapted to in two decades of doing it.
there is no big reason for them to quit as long as there are clients that still want to see them

i see them, i don't know different reasons.
the one lady, the comment fucks like a whore. she is raunchy as hell and one fast women. never experianced anything like it. she is also a friend we have gotten drunk cried laughed just a nice lady.

the other lady, a close friend i have talked to her alot, have many a drinks and suppers at her place
a very upscale classy lady to take her to her bedroom alot of magical moments have happened there, that have left me speechless.
both ladies are good and enjoyable to be with. but for completely different reasons.

i once thought i had fiqured one out, why she is in it and does what she does.
at least one of them.
maybe im right maybe im so wrong.
does it matter,

there both nice people.
i have made the comment before a few times,
going to church and reading the bible doesn't necessay make you a nicer person or even nice at all

being a whore a prostitute an sp or escort or companion what ever label you want to call her.
there is a women there, and the label that you give her whatever it is doesn't make her bad or unkind or uncaring.

both of these women there just great people who for whatever reason find themself as sp.s

i made the mistake of trying to judge people or thinking i know them or what is best for them or they need in there life.
and did i mention im just fucking stupid well

its hard enough to fiqure out my own life and whats best for me. let alone some one else.
im just glad there sps and i have been given the chance to know them both.
 
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