I have an issue to raise

[American Male]

Fellow PERBites,
I have a question (sort of an issue) with how we are using this site. I was hoping, when I first signed up, to see lots of postings on new girls, the whole TOFTT concept. Unfortunately, there is very little of that, for some reason. It seems like most comments go to well established SPs (the Triple-O Tuesday with Very Veronica and Lisa Fox is a good example). The original date of that post was mid-March, for God's sake. New posts to that original thread are still being added. Is there no one out there in Vancouver who has made an appointment with a new girl in the past month and a half??? Do most of you only seen SPs that you have visited with before??? I appreciate, and I am sure many others would as well, a new post which provides some info that we haven't seen before on a lesser known or brand-new SP. Is no one seeing these ladies???

I myself have put up a couple of posts of previously unreviewed SPs. I provided one for Lisa, the Girl Next Door that advertises in the GS. I have provided a couple of LiveLinks posting, mostly of the "Stay Away" type (Oria and Lydia). I even provided a MP review of Jessica at TS a while back. I look upon the "hobby" as a chance to be adventerous and to have fun. Is there anyone else out there with me on this???

This idea of fun has been commented on a couple of times. I just want to repeat that sentiment. I poon because its fun. I poon because I can see different girls every week, if I should choose to do that. I poon because it is not the societal norm, I get a charge out of doing something that the status quo of society says I should not do. Pooning is exciting, its a rush, its a trip.

Why do so few posts reflect this attitude??? I certainly cannot be the only PERBite that feels this way. Come out of hiding, post new and exciting things, be daring, have some goddamn fun already! Fuck a new SP and tell us all about the experience. I might want to see her too.

Throw a dog a bone!!!!

 

[SFMIKE]

Not enough new postings

I used to post frequently, but since most of my outings are to micros, I have found it is better to not post about these places. They try to stay under the radar gun, so why ruin a good thing. Several of my postings were removed, but not before some here saw them, and I have since been sharing what info I have through PM. There are many publications available, many resources, even for those of us who do not live here. I will be in Vancouver next week and have been updating myself on what is out there. The first day of a visit is a bit difficult, making connections with places I went to the last time. But, after day 1, it gets pretty easy.

 

[hitrack]

From what I gather there is a healthy portion of pooners that are more than satisfied dealing with one or two regular SP's and have minimal interest in the TOFTT, unless they have to.

Many have regular days and hours they book, many are just horny and wan't no experimentation with the girl, money, or time. Take the sure bet, blow your load and go home satisfied, rather than gettin back in the car and thinking nice WOT; shoulda stuck with my regular. This is not my theory, I've read countless posts about no thanks I have 1 or 2 girls I see and unless they retire or whatever why switch.

 

[LonelyGhost]

I have heard through the grapevine that most of the reviewing actually happens behind the scenes. I'm not sure why this happens

there is a long history of shills, shouting and such ... and now the 'no review' policy put in place here basically stops some from wasting their time posting a review that will get yanked if the sp decides she wants 'no reviews'.

and while i used to quite enthusiastically post reviews under a different handle, it did start to seem like a job and i found myself spending more time taking notes than enjoying the event.

as well, you can only take so many TOFTT before you get burnt out with wasting your money so others don't have to ...

if its now 'show me yours and i'll show you mine' with the back-door reviews then that's one way around the no-review policy ...

 

[SFMIKE]

You were taking notes?

That may be the funniest thing I have ever read here. Or, maybe it is a way to slow the pace a little bit. Perhaps you are on to something the rest of us have never thought about.

I must give it a try.

 

[logsplitter]

I post on the Winnipeg board. There can be a great side benefit to regularly reviewing the ladies. I found the more I reviewed often resulted (not always) in incredible "over the top" service. I didn't even have to use the possibility of a review being connected to the visit. They knew this board and they had read my reviews and they often paid special attention to the quality and length of service provided. I recall one particular lady who commented to me after a 2 1/2 hr fun filled visit saying "when you post a review don't mention the 2 1/2 hrs I don't usually do that for a 1 hr fee but I wanted to be sure to get a good review". Another lady said don't post that I gave you a bbbj. I don't usually do that but I wanted to be sure to get a good review". Guess what it worked!!! Sadly I recall one lady telling me of a visit from a regular pooner who threatened a bad review if she did not provide a longer better service than normal. I told her she should have posted that as it would make PERB work in both directions.

On the other side when you post a bad review you sometimes invite the wrath of the sp and poons who may hope to get special favours from her for beating on you. Lately the MODERATORS have woke up to this and the Winnipeg board is better for it.

Finally there is that thing about favorites. Sometimes the lady provides you with a service, looks and a personality much better than anything that you have gotten elsewhere. Like others have said why would you poon around if it took you 20 visits to find her and most of the rest did not come close?? The adventure of penis pleasures for the sake of meeting as many as possible is one part of the experience but the whole experience is what keeps me coming back!!

 

[IceG]

representing the 780..

Yankee dude, i post in the Edmonton review area. we have the same issues. there are only a core of about 5-8 dudes who ever write any new material on "unreviewed" sps. i do it because i am a writer of sorts. my review thread has kind of become a template for some memoirs that i plan to write when i am older.

the practical answer to your question is that the Van reviews are exchanged basically in private. in order for you to enter that circuit, you have to earn your stripes by posting some legit reviews and hope the inner Van circle opens its doors to you.


in Edmonton, i always ride the newbies who are leeching info without ever contributing any useful info. some of these fvckers annoy the hell out of me. i went underground last year and traded reviews for awhile. it was useful and i would do it again if i ever get frustrated with the lack of new intel on the Edmonton board. we get a few newbies who step up and try to put some reviews up so i always give them a review in exchange, but pretty much the 5-8 of us are writing reviews for each other's benefit.

then there are those whose only posts are whining and bitching. typically these idiots have 100+ posts, but either one review or no reviews at all. they just stir the pot.

then you have some dudes who are just here to shoot the shit and not put up reviews which is something you cannot force, so you let them be because it is a free board.

so yeah, it is mostly mooches and leeches just asking questions all the time and that invariably explains why all the "valuable" info goes underground or basically the lack of initiative of to share "new reviews".

 

[LonelyGhost]

this topic got me to digging out my old reviews ... some of those were really good and funny too!

can i trade old reviews for new recommendations?

 

[Hardatwork]

This lady asked the review to be taken down because it was unflattering.

I didnt' think ladies had the balls to do this !! I thought this was a review board not to be sensored, but I guess ladies do get to control what is being said. Call me confused !!

You'd have to check with the MODs on this one, but I'm pretty sure that the policy of the board is to respect the wishes of an SP choosing not to be reviewed, be it good AND bad reviews. I'm also pretty sure that this means that the ladies can't pick and choose which reviews they like and which ones they want removed. It's either all or nothing.

Rather than speculate, why not PM a MOD for clarification?

 

[American Male]

the practical answer to your question is that the Van reviews are exchanged basically in private. in order for you to enter that circuit, you have to earn your stripes by posting some legit reviews and hope the inner Van circle opens its doors to you.

IceG, this is the kind of response and answer I did not want to get. What you are basically saying is that getting good reviews from fellow pooners is a matter of being a member of, for lack of a better term, "The Old Boys Club." So the small number of reviews on PERB (and I suppose TERB and others) do not reflect the sort of information that really exists in the community concerning SPs.

I have to say that this totally sucks! Why should newbies (and I definately fit that category) not get to benefit from the years of experience that exists within the membership of PERB just because you think we have not, "earned our stripes"?

I have to say, part of me wants to react by suggesting you guys take PERB, TERB and the rest of the review boards and stick them "where the sun don't sun" if that is the genuine attitude that exists among the elder statesmen of these groups.

This suggests that many of you, and I am not naming names because I do not possess that kind of knowledge, think of PERB as your private domain or property, to use as you please, instead of seeing it as the service to pooners that, it seem to me, it was originally intended to be.

 

[BOBST]

IceG, this is the kind of response and answer I did not want to get. What you are basically saying is that getting good reviews from fellow pooners is a matter of being a member of, for lack of a better term, "The Old Boys Club." So the small number of reviews on PERB (and I suppose TERB and others) do not reflect the sort of information that really exists in the community concerning SPs.

I have to say that this totally sucks! Why should newbies (and I definately fit that category) not get to benefit from the years of experience that exists within the membership of PERB just because you think we have not, "earned our stripes"?

I don't think it is a matter of "earning stripes"

I have found and I am sure other review poster's will concur, that when I do put a review up I get all sorts of pm's, some from poster's I know but also some from brand new member's with no post's, and some from long time member's with no post's.

I am very protective of my Ladie friends, so unless I know the questioner I will not give out more information. Number of post's a person has is by no means a good indication of character, but it can help fellow members and the Ladies in assessing the person.

 

[calvinxxx]

I think that most of us want to help since we were all new at one point. But it is also sensitive where a service one gets may not be the same for all. As well we do not know who is who and respect is earned by the posts and information shared. Most questions are available by simply searching on the query. Some of us are more than happy to focus on one lady if that is who we truly enjoy! Others want to sample the entire field and that is their perogative. Each to his own.

 

[rollerboy]

Throw a dog a bone!!!!

I hear dat. But, they're all pretty much new to me. I don't make that many repeats.

Two of the last three girls on this adventure explicitly asked not to be reviewed.

 

[wolverine]

I admit that I'm one of the shoot-the-shit types that IceG has referred to. I like many of the regular posters here, and it's nice to talk about entertainment, sports, politics, anonymous chicks we like to fuck, rants, etc with like-minded people. I've cut down my pooning to a select few good and well-reviewed SPs who I see on a semi-regular basis, although I have a to-do list.

As for "earning stripes", it's a question of credibility. In the past, this board has been infested with schills, SPs posing as pooners, trolls and retards. Those who post nothing but questions are a waste of bandwidth because most of their answers can easily found by doing a Search. If he brings up something that he can't find from doing a Search then people are happy to help out. Essentially, a poster will be more welcomed by posting constructive reviews or has something useful to say. It's no different from any other msgboard, may it be about health, politics, sports, etc - if you have nothing worthy to say then you are wasting everyone's time.

The only thing I respectfully disagree with are the mooches/leeches thing. I like to think of PERB as a public service; a Better Business Bureau for pooning. We all "leech" reviews of CDs, movies and restaurants from the columnists in the local newspaper. We all "mooch" information on cars and stereos from fellow denizens of the internet. But you don't hear the reviewers demand reviews from their readership; nor have I seen anyone on Ain't It Cool refuse to discuss a movie because too many lurkers read it. So why should SPs be any different? Nothing wrong with preventing some poor sap from getting suckered by a bad SP, nor keeping a good SP busy. The one thing that can be a pain in the arse is when your favorite SP gets swamped with rave reviews and then she gets so booked up that you can't see her on a whim anymore. But just book ahead is what I say.

 

[hornydude]

Hidden Gems

The problem is no-one wants to share the lesser known hidden gems!

Also, if I read..."pm me for her info" one more time I will flip!

I have to say I was guilty in the past, but evenually fessed up.

Another problem is that honest, negative reviews get thrashed...and any good review ends up with a shill label (in reality these are esy to spot and separate out).

That's my 2 bits.

Later!

 

[American Male]

often if i find a gem, it is someone who does not stay long in the biz. they are delicate and beautiful and often untouched by the day to day grind of selling bods. those gems i tend to see perhaps twice a week until they quit. and yes, i do encourage them to quit.

Everest, I am very sympathetic to this sentiment that you have expressed here. I sat done with my personal favourite SP a few weeks ago and asked her if she was planning on her "exit date" to quit the biz. She is training to work in the health care industry and will soon be done with school. She said that she had not. I encouraged her to just set a date, walk away, and not look back. Although anyone who gets into this biz can hardly be called innocent, there is a big gulf between innocent and jaded. I would rather a sweet girl quit long before she becomes jaded, even if that means I no longer get to enjoy their company.

Your description of your gems - delicate, beautiful and untouched by the day to day grind - fits my fav SP perfectly. And I want her to stay that way.

 

[maverick73]

1. perb's value to me is strangely not in finding gems but more in reading about attitudes and thoughts of like minded people.

2. often if i find a gem, it is someone who does not stay long in the biz. they are delicate and beautiful and often untouched by the day to day grind of selling bods. those gems i tend to see perhaps twice a week until they quit. and yes, i do encourage them to quit.

3. right now, some of my most interesting women i do not share but not because i do not want to share but because they work in legit spas and beauty salons. we should all respect the privacy of what i call semi pros.

Great post everest.

1. Ditto. It is very interesting reading indeed.
2. How many of the ones that you encouraged to quit actually quit?
3. Beauty Salons? I didn't know you could pick up semi SP's in Beauty Salons. What do you say to them? "Excuse me but are you an SP on the side?"

 

[maverick73]

the ones i encourage to leave are often the ones i prize the most. it is almost our duty to help set these ones free. but on the other hand, i will see them as often as possible knowing, they will not last long (guess that is a bad attitude).

sometimes it is very hard for them to quit because of the money. it is like smoking, the longer they stay, the harder it is to leave. i hope your fave is able to leave.

What a good guy you are. Making it your duty to set the good ones free. So, what is the average career length of these "good ones"? And what kind of careers have they turned to after quitting escorting? Have you pursued relationships with any of them after they quit?

 

[maverick73]

1. quite a few asian girls have quit. the best of the best quit a few weeks ago
2. this has been my latest "project." a few years ago i tried about 20 independant massage providers and met with some interesting success. right now the typical spa or beauty salon is of interest. i like a challenge. hell, anyone can fuck an sp. but to seduce someone ... like the beautiful girl next door ...

you have to be quite careful and respectful. also it does take a lot of wasted dollars as i have culled through a number of women. i have three woman who are quite attractive and at various levels of "progress." the good thing is i really like all three women. and yes they seem to like me (at least my bod).

1. You specifically mention asian girls. Would you say more asian girls quit quicker than girls of other races?
2. When you say interesting success with massage providers, do you mean you went to see non-sexual massage providers, but then convinced them into doing paid or better yet (unpaid!!!) sex?
3. Care to share your approach technique at the beauty salons? I have walked into several beauty salons and I've always been impressed with the quality of the women there (of course, they work at a BEAUTY salon ). Do you approach the CLIENTS or the employees at the Beauty Salons? Beauty Salons are definitely target rich environments. I wouldn't mind making this my side project to go along with my current "meal in exchange for an interview" project. If you don't want to publicly post your techniques, perhaps we could correspond via PM or email. Let me know.

Have you been able to convert cold leads at a Beauty Salon into paid or unpaid sex yet?

Great minds think alike. I like a challenge too.

 

[Jonesy]

A lot of reasons

I am newish here. A few of my reviews were removed for a few reasons that I had explained to me. Then a bunch of pms started showing up that included wanting more information about the gone reviews (a couple of guys really get creepy about it - they want intimate details that sound more like an obsession than guys looking to get f'ucked) and a couple saying that there were other better places to share such information. So I learned to be careful what to post and have started to use the other web places that some of you here here call the "behind the scenes". Also noticed if you post something that is not totally positive the moderators support you OK but some of the pms are very nasty and I don't get that at the other places I have found. I have seen complaints about moderators and I don't get it, they seem to do a good job here. There remains an army of idiots who like to attack people who dig up information to share and that is part of the reason that American Male sees a trend. Oh, and please don't pm me about other places as they find you and I am not in charge of those places.

With all that said, I still find Perb of value since I found it and started using it. I will continue to contribute how I can but I have also learned in my short time here that there are boundaries to avoid and that seems to be what American Male is getting at.