I am not dying with you today!

[Robert Upndown]

Kimberly Jones gives a powerful, eloquent speech that needs to be heard by everyone, she explains in detail why this is happening (racism across 450 years) and the difference between protesting, rioting and looting in 2020. End Racism Now!

An excellent take on the current BLM movement.

Bob

 

[Cock Throppled]

Can’t believe anybody would think that rant made sense, let alone praise it.

She starts off by saying the ones commenting about rioting and looting were wealthy blacks.

Where does she think those wealthy, successful black people came from - Wakanda?

Maybe those wealthy black people got off their asses and got an education, despite the rest of the community mocking them, and calling them Uncle Toms.

Maybe those wealthy black people had the good fortune to be raised in one of the 18% of black households with two-parents, where the father provided a good role model and had a steady job.

Maybe those wealthy black people, even though their father might have abandoned them, decided to stay in school to get to college and find a good job, that paid well.

Maybe those rich black people didn’t spend all day worshipping drug dealers and gangsters.

Justifying looting because black people “need things”? Excuse me, but what demographic in the US lines up for hours to buy $300 sneakers or ear buds? Which demographic wastes money on jewel-encrusted grills, gold chains, fancy hair-dos, watches, rings, cars and the most extravagant clothing?

Saying black people have been held back in a nation that provides more opportunities for residents and newcomers, has more laws and regulations to address discrimination in housing and the workplace is lazy thinking.

Why do some schools in black neighbourhoods have good records of few drop-outs, and successful ongoing education, while others do not?

Employment, income and better housing have been increasing for decades for black people who want to take advantage of opportunities and get into education, science, industry and manufacturing.

Racism isn’t forcing black men to father multiple children with multiple women, and dessert them, to show how virile they are.

Racism isn’t making black men abuse women and think of them as bitches and ho’s.

There are 49 million black people in the US. Most are working, and successful, but BLM focuses on the 200 black men killed by police, rather than the 8,000 killed by other black men. An issue they can change in their own community, but it’s easier to blame racism for everything.

 

[Robert Upndown]

Cock Throppled
Although I respect your opinion, It just differs from mine. I am purposely not quoting your post, because of the number of inaccuracies. I take it you have never lived in the States, or if you have, it was never inner city. I grew up in the States. Went to school where 80 - 90% of the students were black or Latino. Does not make me an expert, but I certainly know that you are making points that have nothing to do with reality, or the reason for the BLM movement. And the stats you quote, and some of your statements are incorrect and frankly offensive. And if you listen to what she says, she is not encouraging looting, quite the opposite.

Trevor Noah Interview

Comparing Black and White Drug Offenders: Implications for Racial Disparities in Criminal Justice and Reentry Policy and Programming

Imprisonment of blacks is 6 times more than whites.
A black person is more apt to be racially profiled than a white person.
Of 200 million traffic stops studied 54% were black, 31% were Latino and 19% were white.
The population of the US is 382 million of which 13.4% are black or African American.
Before the pandemic there were over 3 million African Americans unemployed.
The estimated median wealth of black households is $35,000, while white households estimated their median wealth at $150,000.

DRIVING WHILE BLACK: RACIAL PROFILING ON OUR NATION'S HIGHWAYS

I think you need to step back and do your research. Black people have been shit on for centuries. I do not understand how you can argue differently.

As she said in the end "You are lucky black people are looking for equality and not revenge."

Bob


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[Cock Throppled]

Cock Throppled
Although I respect your opinion, It just differs from mine. I am purposely not quoting your post, because of the number of inaccuracies. I take it you have never lived in the States, or if you have, it was never inner city. I grew up in the States. Went to school where 80 - 90% of the students were black or Latino. Does not make me an expert, but I certainly know that you are making points that have nothing to do with reality, or the reason for the BLM movement. And the stats you quote, and some of your statements are incorrect and frankly offensive. And if you listen to what she says, she is not encouraging looting, quite the opposite.

Trevor Noah Interview

Comparing Black and White Drug Offenders: Implications for Racial Disparities in Criminal Justice and Reentry Policy and Programming

Imprisonment of blacks is 6 times more than whites.
A black person is more apt to be racially profiled than a white person.
Of 200 million traffic stops studied 54% were black, 31% were Latino and 19% were white.
The population of the US is 382 million of which 13.4% are black or African American.
Before the pandemic there were over 3 million African Americans unemployed.
The estimated median wealth of black households is $35,000, while white households estimated their median wealth at $150,000.

DRIVING WHILE BLACK: RACIAL PROFILING ON OUR NATION'S HIGHWAYS

I think you need to step back and do your research. Black people have been shit on for centuries. I do not understand how you can argue differently.

As she said in the end "You are lucky black people are looking for equality and not revenge."

Bob


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Went to school in Manhattan & lived near Harlem. Most of my classmates, and friends were black. The biggest discrimination they faced was from their own community, who called them sell-outs, Oreos and Uncle Toms, for getting a good education that would get them out of the ghetto. Have travelled and worked in the southwest and west coast .US.

Three million unemployed out of 49 million, is not holding anybody back who wants to work. Racism is looking for an excuse for failure. What will be the next excuse once Trump is gone? Once statues are toppled and Aunt Jemima is replaced? What was the excuse during not one, but TWO terms of a black president? How many jobs do you think will be coming to Mnneapolis in the next decade?

High crime rates determine where politicians place police, and why there are more frequent police contact. Hence, also the higher incarceration rates.

Check the shootings and murders over the last week without police, which is actually BLM's first agenda, folled by getting rid of Trump and ending capitalism.

Go ahead, try to dispute my figures.

 

[Shanghai]

There is plenty of sound logic in the Kimberley Jones video. One can't argue the impact that presumably self-serving looters of $300 runners and 80" LCD TVs and the cops in masks pretending to be protesters and agenda-driven out-of-towners smashing cars and windows is forcing cities to respond more quickly and decisively in toasting cops caught on film whacking blacks.

It is now the new flavor of the month activity for companies to publicly show their "sensitivity training" in homes of pre-empting similar triggers that would depreciate their brand. The new mantra is be nice or suffer immense financial losses in consequence and public mindshare.

In Canada, the problem is with systemic racism against natives that is very visible (residential schools come to mind) since there exist government checkboxes on forms that route cash to and from Provinces that officially target only that race.

There are lots of blacks in Eastern Canada (only 1% or so in BC, up to 50% in some Ontario cities) where measurable systemic racism becomes immediately visible when you look at the number of kids in foster care (in BC 6% of natives, 63% of their kids in foster care that Ottawa sends BC cash to pay for it - ie. federal incentive to remove kids) and blacks in jail that equates to the disproportionate number of natives in jail that their kids in foster care in white homes of contractors.

Police are the obvious target because of the way they are militarily organized and how they codify their operation that spans decades, whether it is the RCMP or large metropolitan private forces such as VPD and OPD. The way to get attention is to smash things, period. Then, it becomes a matter of economic common sense to be seen addressing that issue to make it go away.

During one of the covid-19 BC status releases, the health Minister heard about racism in hospitals where doctors made fun of natives by making a game of guessing their alcohol content. The same night he heard about it, he hired Mary Ellen Turpel-Lafond to conduct an inquiry (remember the Christy Clark Liberals fired her as the Children's representative that called the child protection agency MCFD a racist organization).

Since the statistics measuring the effects of systemic racism easily measures the inequality, obvious solutions are indeed "defunding" this or that organization who are the largest offenders, whether it be police, housing, care homes, child protection, the justice system, BC Power of Attorney operations and so on.

It's probably a good thing Canadians are so polite, otherwise, they would have burned down police stations and residential schools long ago.

 

[Robert Upndown]

Cock Throppled

Not going to question your figures, they are accurate. I just think you are missing the point. In the US, a black person is significantly more likely to be stopped by the police, compared to a white person. A black person is shot or killed significantly more often than whites. BLM is simply asking to be treated as a human being,,not as a black person. They want the same rights as white people. It is the systemic racism exhibited by Law Enforcement that is the purpose of the movement.

In Canada it is the systematic racism against Natives, Canada Wide and in Toronto it is the systematic racism against blacks. And now, thanks to a collective bunch of Bigoted Morons, Asians fear for the safety, not from the police, but from fellow Canadians. It is NOT a time to be very proud of ourselves.

Bob

 

[Cock Throppled]

Cock Throppled

Not going to question your figures, they are accurate. I just think you are missing the point. In the US, a black person is significantly more likely to be stopped by the police, compared to a white person. A black person is shot or killed significantly more often than whites. BLM is simply asking to be treated as a human being,,not as a black person. They want the same rights as white people. It is the systemic racism exhibited by Law Enforcement that is the purpose of the movement.

In Canada it is the systematic racism against Natives, Canada Wide and in Toronto it is the systematic racism against blacks. And now, thanks to a collective bunch of Bigoted Morons, Asians fear for the safety, not from the police, but from fellow Canadians. It is NOT a time to be very proud of ourselves.

Bob

Cock Throppled

Not going to question your figures, they are accurate. I just think you are missing the point. In the US, a black person is significantly more likely to be stopped by the police, compared to a white person. A black person is shot or killed significantly more often than whites. BLM is simply asking to be treated as a human being,,not as a black person. They want the same rights as white people. It is the systemic racism exhibited by Law Enforcement that is the purpose of the movement.

In Canada it is the systematic racism against Natives, Canada Wide and in Toronto it is the systematic racism against blacks. And now, thanks to a collective bunch of Bigoted Morons, Asians fear for the safety, not from the police, but from fellow Canadians. It is NOT a time to be very proud of ourselves.

Bob

But BLM is a fraud.

BLM is a fraud, because they they never acknowledge ever-decreasing numbers of Black deaths by police. (police killings of blacks declined almost 80% from the late '60s through the 2010s, while police killings of whites have flatlined. {CDC}

Meanwhile, killings of black men by other black men continue to rise. BLM should be addressing that, instead of duping black people, and white people into buying their agenda that police are hunting down black men.


They’re a fraud because they promote the notion every encounter with police is wrong, and racist. (At 13% of the population, blacks commit 40% of murders, so contact with police is inevitable, and usually justifiable).

They’re a fraud because they call all police racists.( there are 250 million civilian contacts with police every year in the US, and very few result in deaths - 1004 deaths in total in 2019 involving all races, the largest proportion, white).

They’re a fraud because they never acknowledge other races, including white people can also encounter violent, power-tripping sociopathic police.

They’re a fraud because they have a Marxist manifesto, and have used the playbook to perfection on those too lazy to look into what they’re supporting…







 

[Cock Throppled]

I’m not denying there is racism. It exists in every country, and every race and culture. Racism is always bad, and cases of racist violence, police brutality and discrimination should be rooted out pursued, and prosecuted.

But what other countries, than predominantly white, western nations have the most diversity, most liberal immigration policies, the most benefits and help to those in need, the strongest laws against racism, the most rules, regulations and conditions to ensure fair housing and employment and equality, the most levels of appeal of discrimination, the most stringent laws to prosecute cases of racism and discrimination, and the most opportunities for minorities, the most multicultural, and uncorrupt political systems and police, and the freest press.

Are there any predominantly black, Hispanic or Asian nations that offer as much protection and opportunities for other races and immigrants?

Most multi-cultural nations are continuously improving, and strengthening ways to be more accepting and inclusive of minorities. More can and should be done, but the trends are in the right direction.

 

[Miss Hunter]

But BLM is a fraud.

BLM is a fraud, because they they never acknowledge ever-decreasing numbers of Black deaths by police. (police killings of blacks declined almost 80% from the late '60s through the 2010s, while police killings of whites have flatlined. {CDC}

Meanwhile, killings of black men by other black men continue to rise. BLM should be addressing that, instead of duping black people, and white people into buying their agenda that police are hunting down black men.


They’re a fraud because they promote the notion every encounter with police is wrong, and racist. (At 13% of the population, blacks commit 40% of murders, so contact with police is inevitable, and usually justifiable).

They’re a fraud because they call all police racists.( there are 250 million civilian contacts with police every year in the US, and very few result in deaths - 1004 deaths in total in 2019 involving all races, the largest proportion, white).

They’re a fraud because they never acknowledge other races, including white people can also encounter violent, power-tripping sociopathic police.

They’re a fraud because they have a Marxist manifesto, and have used the playbook to perfection on those too lazy to look into what they’re supporting…







The fact that the movement is Marxist/Communist at it's core is a very important, and very alarming, point. Thankfully some people have been keeping their eyes and ears open, paying attention and doing their own research.

At the surface, it seems to be a noble act to jump on the BLM movement bandwagon, especially with their chosen name "Black Lives Matter" because of course, the concept of Black lives mattering is an obvious truth, who wouldn't support that idea unless someone truly is racist to their core?! But once one looks under the surface, there's so much to question and to be concerned about.

This is much more going on than just fighting racism and police brutality. People are being tricked Into fuelling a civil (class/race) war, erasing history, and ushering in communism.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Has anybody from BLM ever suggested ANY police interaction is justified, and not inherently racist? Even when conducted by black officers?

BLM puts for the suggestion EVERY police stop is racist, therefore black people should be immune from stops and arrests. It just furthers their anti-police agenda, and police are now not responding, have every interaction challenged, and are constantly being second-guessed by activists and politicians.

The movement to get rid of police is working, and take one guess which group will suffer the most, when black criminals have open season on their hoods? Most police responses are the result of calls from black people who are the most victimized by black crime. Threy are going to be left to fend for themselves as gangs get stronger.

 

[Robert Upndown]

You make some excellent points, some a little over the top, but valid nonetheless. I think the reactions by the politicians, Kennedy Stewart included, are knee jerk and ridiculous. I think trying to change history to adhere to today's standards, Gone with the Wind and tearing down statures, is again ridiculous.Changing Aunt Jemima, Uncle Ben;s and so on to because the companies are now embarrassed solves what?

Suddenly realizing you were\are racist, and have been for as long as you can remember, is not suddenly washed away by saying I'm sorry! Although that is the consensus thinking!

The police have become scapegoats for all that is bad with society is just plain ignorant. The police are called upon to handle situations they are ill-equipped,or trained. to handle. This uproar has at least brought some attention to the fact that support workers should be the one's to call where mental illness, drug issues, domestic issues... and the police act as a backup, not a first responder.

I still believe it is much more difficult being a non-white in the US and Canada, and that has to change.The movement has drawn a lot of attention to some of the injustices experienced by non-whites. I can only hope cool, rationale heads prevail and some good comes of this.

Bob

 

[80watts]

Shit, most of these videos I find terribly out of focus of what actually happened. How many people post a video of a cop doing the right thing in the course of his duty. I haven't seen one. In most the "use of force" structure came into use. If the person has a knife and is threatening anyone (police or anyone else) they have the right to use the next level of force. Which is "deadly force".
Most people think that people in handcuffs can't do anything. You be surprized at what they can do to injure you even handcuffed (especially if they are big persons). Add in today's use of drugs (and anti-social behaviour that people can have with use).
I would not like to have a Cop's job, just because of all the shitty people you have to deal with. A cop's is supposed to protect the community. But first he has to protect his own life. A cop want to go home after every shift he/she does.

The video gives a good account for why she is mad. And yes black communities have been getting the shit end of the stick forever. Basicly I would call it poor vs someone who can afford a nice iphone. Have to think about it every day why you can't give your kid a phone, a video game, because you have to pay the rent and get food. The basics to survive. Meanwhile you see the whites and criminals giving their kids special things...

It is heartbreaking.... not to mention emotionally straining.... Some would find comfort in Violence.....

It makes me really mad.... Especially at those so called Christians..... denying what a person needs to help them along to a better life...

 

[Miss Hunter]

 

[theloadmaster]

I’m with you 100% Cock Throppled. I don’t support BLM whatsoever. It’s nothing but a leftist/marxist hypocritical plot that is making every effort to destroy history while keeping uneducated folks (of all races) in the dark of what is actually going on. And me being against BLM has nothing to do with being against people of colour at all. I want nothing more than to help anyone in need, but BLM is NOT it.

These stats show a telling tale for those who don’t actually know about the homicide rates in the US. What does any of this have to do with racism? It doesn’t! This is straight from the FBI website, just as an example. 2018 numbers are out too, easy to find, just as gruesome. How does 13% of the population commit nearly 45% of homicides (that’s a rate almost 5x higher than anyone else per-capita people) and then still expect a handout? I’m sorry, but whether someone is pulled over for speeding more often than others is a farce when you’re comparing it to murder. You think the disproportionate number of coloured people in prison is a fluke? That it’s purely based on gross systemic racism? Then why is it white men are 1.8x more likely to die by a coloured person than coloured folks by a white person? Where is the media talking about this? Where is BLM on this? Why do they not talk about the fact that up to 75% of black families have a single parent. Maybe this has something to do with lower incomes, lack of morals, and a proper upbringing. Hmmmmm. Maybe? ? But if we talk about it, we’re the racists, and I’m sick of the double standards. In fact, coloured two-parent homes were at their peak just as the Civil Rights movement was enacted and the Jim Crow laws ended.

That is the problem. Show me the facts. Show me the truth. BLM and the biased left MSM is doing nothing to help the cause of the black man. They are doing an excellent job of pitting us against each other, and it’s working. They want black people to always be the victim, without any culpability whatsoever. Mappingpoliceviolence does a shitty job because they don’t spend any time quantifying the statistics. It’s bloody hard to quantify real tangible racism statistics if you’re just going to blur the lines and call everything racist. Reality? Given the homicide rates, the overall rates don’t surprise me much.

And what do you think is going to happen when you defund the police? Must be dreaming if you think this will help people of colour out in the long run. The reality is that poorer neighbourhoods will be left to fend for themselves, because there won’t be enough man power. And what do you think will happen? Do you think blacks killing blacks will go up, or go down? Pretty obvious.


Random facts : Abraham Lincoln was a REPUBLICAN, and by the end of the civil war in 1865, over 1M white people fought for, and died for, the abolishment of slavery (over the course of the previous 3 centuries, not only during the civil war, just to be clear). It was the Democratic party that had ties to the KKK, and its very foundation. Don’t believe me? Look it up.

 

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[80watts]

Hey can we play charades? Sounds like....