I am going to torture you and kill you and bring you salvation ?

[resercher]

know these things are not high art but I have noticed a certain type of character and situation that gets repeated in comic books video games movies and other popular culture . I suspect it is a reference to some classic literary work or movie . The character is usually an Evil boss type character and the evil boss is usually saying that . By killing and torturing another character they are going to release their soul and bring them some sort of salvation so that they can enter some form of heaven queston any idea where this idea for this set up comes from ?


Here are three examples

1 from the computer game hitman blood money a gangster has a victim tied up sitting on one of those plastic rides that you see in shopping malls and parks . and he is going to pour gasoline on the victim He ask him if he has the fear of god and gives him this speech

The text below includes the victims speech I have labeled both .


gangster You got the holy fear of God in your heart, motherfucker?

victim I don't know--yeah, sure, whatever you want--

gangster That's good. It don't sound sincere, but it's good. Cause you're about to be purified, motherfucker. Beautiful fire gonna burn the grime and filth and sin off your body and soul till ain't nothing left but the holy fear of God in your heart.


victim I swear to God, I'm just a lawyer...

gangster Mm-hm. I won't lie: this shit gonna hurt real bad. But you got to get beyond the pain, motherfucker, you got to transcend that shit and embrace the fire because the burning gonna set you free--

victim I've got the papers in my briefcase--

Mm-hm. That's your worldly shit, Jackson, I don't care about no worldly shit--I'm doing God's work here, motherfucker, and your soul ain't got no motherfucking papers.

victim I represent Mr. Clarence's--Mr. Swing King's wife.

ganster All that law school and now you're just some cracker bitch's errand boy. And here I am about to light your ass on fire. Mm-hm. Life is one long, dark comedy, motherfucker, ain't it?

victim I'm just here to get his signature on their divorce papers.

gangster Ain't it just like Spook to get his shit mixed up like this? He's one paranoid motherfucker.
Bet you are a lawyer. Mm-hm. Well, lawyers needs purifying too. And you're ready.

at this point he dumps the can of gasoline on the victim and burns him to death .

unfortunately i was unable to get the video of the whole speech because most players who post let's play 's kill off the gangster before he is able to finish his speech

but here is a screen capture of the gangster with his victim third guy behind him is agent 47 about to kill off the gangster


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2 from the computer game bloodlines In the computer game bloodlines the masquerade the character " Bishop Vick" his whole speech is. I am going give everyone. Salvation by killing them with a deadly disease so they can go to the ninth circle " a reference to Dante's inferno " .
The noise in the background in the video is his zombie worshipers praying .

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3 final example from the grim comic book series wonderland while our evil character The queen of spades. is burning out the flesh and soul of the victim.
She makes a speech asking the victims if his agony makes him feel elevated ?

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[summerbreeze]

during the dark ages, the church began doing this sort of thing to heretics

they believed certain people to be possessed by the devil and the torture would free them from that possession

of course many variations on this

Joan of Arc was burned at the stake for example

while the concept might have had some merits in those times and by the way they thought in those days

the use of this was probably more of how certain elements controlled their opposition of perceived opposition.....

 

[winky32]

during the dark ages, the church began doing this sort of thing to heretics

they believed certain people to be possessed by the devil and the torture would free them from that possession

of course many variations on this

Joan of Arc was burned at the stake for example

while the concept might have had some merits in those times and by the way they thought in those days

the use of this was probably more of how certain elements controlled their opposition of perceived opposition.....

 

[HankQuinlan]

The torture and killing of Jesus brought potential salvation to everyone, according to Christians.

 

[Tugela]

It is just the speech bad guys give in fiction so that the viewer/reader knows that they are bad and to explain their motivation. The monolog that people make fun of.

In real life it doesn't work that way. The bad guys just do what they do and don't explain anything.

 

[rlock]

Another example: As I recall, in Braveheart, the magistrate (?) at the end stated something like Wallace could either confess of be "purified by pain".

I'd say either crazy fanatical shit or crazy sadistic shit. Inquisitors and so on, probably the former; with gangsters and so on, probably the latter. In any case, who says the thought processes of psychos, much less the depiction of them, has to make sense.

That's of course just a pale reflection of the kind of insanity going on real life.

 

[Tugela]

Another example: As I recall, in Braveheart, the magistrate (?) at the end stated something like Wallace could either confess of be "purified by pain".

I'd say either crazy fanatical shit or crazy sadistic shit. Inquisitors and so on, probably the former; with gangsters and so on, probably the latter. In any case, who says the thought processes of psychos, much less the depiction of them, has to make sense.

That's of course just a pale reflection of the kind of insanity going on real life.

That is just it. The magistrate would say nothing of the sort since execution and the method it would be done by were a given.

Just like the speech that Wallace gave in Braveheart to inspire his troops....in real life Wallace would never have bothered to speak directly to the common soldiers, he was a knight not a farmer, and anything he said would be directed to his peers, in other words other nobles, not the common soldier. This kind of monolog is given by commanders before battles in many similar movies, but something like that would not have happened in reality.

 

[jamasianman]

Doesn't Deacon Blackfire do the same thing to batman in The Cult? It happens a lot. Zealots in fiction.

 

[Larry Storch]

They need to say something that leads up to this:

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

Am I the only one who shudders when this comes up at the top of the posts? Too bad titles can't be edited...

 

[tdhmale]

Am I the only one who shudders when this comes up at the top of the posts? Too bad titles can't be edited...

Even though this is an "Open discussion" section, I wondered something similiar. Most of all, it makes me wonder where the original poster's head is at, hahaha