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I’m seeking some advice from guys on one of those "golden" cruiser moments

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Disclaimer: Women, don’t read this. You’ll just end up being revolted.

Guys will all know what I’m talking about though.

O.k., here’s ghostie’s late evening “adventure” . I started out trying to set up a date with this new girl on Local Es, Mya Monrose. I called at about midnight and she didn’t pick up, but I tried again in 15 minutes just to be sure and surprisingly she picks up. She sounds real sweet on the phone by the way. She asks me to call her back in an hour because she is busy now. I say “o.k., maybe I’ll try back then.” I start getting psyched to see her and go and have a shower and get dressed and ready and everything. I call back in an hour and she doesn’t pick up! Fuck!! I wait 15 minutes and call again. Still nothing. I consider calling some other gals but decide to just go for a cruise instead.

There were a few gals out tonight on the various tracks, but nothing that really caught my attention. I cruise around for quite awhile, even went up to the Joyce and Kingsway track, the Seymour high-track (which was surprisingly busy tonight, and there was some kind of police incident down there too)… the low, the mid, Clark, Lower Kingsway, etc. There was one girl at 41st and Fraser that was trying to get my attention while she was walking North on Fraser. I looped around to get a better look at her. I thought she might be EI, in which case I would have gone for it, but on a closer pass-by she was Native and not that great, so I passed on her.

I decided to cruise around a bit more, but nothing. I didn’t have dinner tonight so I decided to grab a burger at the BK (Terminal and Main) drive-thru. As I’m coming through the drive-through there is this Chinese girl walking around in the drive-thru lane looking confused and possibly trying to get a glance from drivers. Spidey senses kick (*schwing!* :) ) and I decide to keep my wits about me.

I get what I wanted from BK and park in a way so I can see what is happening in the drive-thru lane. I see that she ends up doing a walk-thru order and gets some food. Then she is walking around the parking lot eating fries and still looking confused and out of place.

Sure enough she walks up to me where I’m parked. I have the window rolled down and I say “hi”. She says “hi” back. Then she asks if she can sit in my car and finishing eating. I knew something like this was coming, so I say “sure” (my mind is “grinning” :D , by my face is playing it straight ;) ).

She sits in the car. Damn she’s cute. She’s Chinese, about 5’2”, 100 lbs., maybe less. Mid-20s. Cute face. She’s wearing a pink hat and a long coat, tight jeans – carrying a handbag. She’s a bit of a raver type (if such a thing still exits. She has an eyebrow bar-bell stud and some other piercing). She has a Chinese accent. She tells me that she is coming from a party at a friend's place near Chinatown. She asks what my name is. For some weird reason I gave her my real first name instead of my pooning name. She tells me her name is Joey.

We talk for a bit. I ask what she does and she says, "I work in my Auntie's hair salon." She asks if I have to work tomorrow, I say “no. It’s the holiday.” She asks where I live, so I say downtown. She says she needs a ride home. I ask her where that is. She says Burnaby. Where in Burnaby? By Lougheed Mall.

I just tell her, “Humm… I don’t know. I don’t really want to go all the way out there.” There’s some more silence and eating of BK. I finish up and throw my paper bag and garbage in the trash. I ask if she smokes. She says “yah.” I light up a cigarette and ask if she wants one. She takes one and I light it for her. I’m just trying to not push anything at this point. She tells me she is going to go and try and find another car to drive her home. I say as subtlety as possible, “Is there anything you can give me to take you out there?” She says, “I don’t have money.” I don’t push it any further.

She ends up getting out of the car. Fucking guys in this city (including myself! :rolleyes: ) are just like hawks circling in these situations. Two other guys in cars are watching what is going on at opposite ends of the parking lot. She goes over to the one car. Talks to the driver for a bit then walks away and he drives off. Then she wanders around a bit more and talks to a dude in a red van. She doesn’t get in, and as soon as she walks away he takes off too.

I decide that I’m still probably in the game on this one. She comes back to my car and gets in. She says if I drive her there she will ring the bell and her mom will give me $10 for gas. I say, “I don’t need the money. I’m just wondering if there is anything else you could do for me.” She says “no.” Looking a bit embarrassed. A bit more time passes and I ask her one last time, “Are you sure you don’t want to do this another way?” She says, “I know what you mean, but I can’t… I go to church.”

Then she asks if I have a cell phone. I say “yah”. She uses my phone to call her dad. She talks to him in Chinese for like 30 seconds. Then she asks if I can drive her to Main and Hastings, her dad is going to come and pick her up. I say “sure.” I make some small talk, drop her off. Tell her to take care and she says the same to me.

So anyway… WAS I CLOSE HERE OR WHAT!!! Fuck!!!! I thought I had it… but it slipped away with that call to her dad. Goddamnit I was horny after that! This would have been the best street score ever. This chick was just way too hot to be out there walking around at 2:30 in the morning asking guys for rides! Damnit! How did this slip through my fingers?? :confused:

I took one last cruise around the low and Clark to see if I could “scratch that itch.” Nothing worth going for out there. Decide to just head home. I’ve got this Chinese girl I see once in awhile. She always gives it up if we spend the evening together. I’m calling her tomorrow for sure… but I think I’ll be thinking abut Joey later tomorrow evening :)

Any suggestions on what could have closed the deal? Should I have offered her $40 and the ride or something like that? I had $300 in 20s on me… Goddamnit! I couldn’t even buy a decent fuck tonight!!
 
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am i missing something here

Has it entered your mind you were actually talking to a stranded girl looking for some help?? Again maybe i'm naive or something. Fuck i would've driven her home and saw she made it to the door. I mean nothing like getting what your looking for, but it has to be with someone who's out there looking to take your money for that service. Not taking advantage of someone who's in need of help. If I single myself out as some sort of geek for posting this so be it. Ban me from the board flame me whatever. But reading that post thoroughly disturbed me dude.
 

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dr_pepper said:
Has it entered your mind you were actually talking to a stranded girl looking for some help?? Again maybe i'm naive or something. Fuck i would've driven her home and saw she made it to the door. I mean nothing like getting what your looking for, but it has to be with someone who's out there looking to take your money for that service. Not taking advantage of someone who's in need of help. If I single myself out as some sort of geek for posting this so be it. Ban me from the board flame me whatever. But reading that post thoroughly disturbed me dude.
Yah, I can see your point. It's hard to convey exactly what a situation like this was like, just by putting it in writing. I thought, and I am not the only one who was there that thought this, that this was the kind of deal she was looking for. I'm not sure if you are from Vancouver or familiar with the McD's and BK at Main and Terminal, but this kind of stuff goes on there all the time - and has since I was a kid. The area is legendary for these kinds of things.

If I thought that she wasn't looking for this kind of deal, I wouldn't have given her a second look or ever considered trying to get her to do something. And, if I somehow found out that she had no way to get home (although I don't know how I would have found this out if she wasn't acting like a hooker in the parking lot) - I would have driven her myself. But once her dad was coming to pick her up, then the option for me to drive her home was no longer there, let alone needed.

I will just say, there was something very nudge-nudge about this whole thing. This gal was going up to single guys in cars in a parking lot in a known drug and prostitution area at 2:30-3:00 a.m. on a Thursday night asking if she can come and sit in the car and then asking for favours. Now you tell me what you infer from that. All I wanted to do was figure out if we were on the same wave-length. It turns out that we weren't. Her dad picked her up. Why she was asking strangers (always single guys... there were other cars around there with groups of people in them, but she made no effort to approach any of them), I don't know. She is either a very silly naive girl, or part of her was looking to "make a deal." Having been there and seen the subtleties of what went down, I strongly feel that it was choice B. This was no 18 year old ESL student that was lost or didn't know what she was doing. She was punk rock/raver type girl that was partying downtown (by which I mean drugs, I'm not sure if that came through in my earlier post... but she did tell me this) and that she just waffled when it came down to it. Within minutes of deciding that she needed to call her dad he was on his way. being able to get home was obviously never an issue.

P.S. - I did give her a ride to where her dad picked her up, the use of my phone to call him, a cigarette, and the chance to warm up in my car while eating her food. And, I never pressured her or did anything crude. This was "one of those situations" where it was nudge-nudge right from the beginning. I think she just couldn't close the deal.
 

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dr_pepper said:
If I single myself out as some sort of geek for posting this so be it. But reading that post thoroughly disturbed me dude.
You're not alone buddy. It's why I say most guys are pigs. I'm like you too in that, flame me, call me a white knight etc. Given a choice, I'd rather be known as a white knight than as someone using someone or being perceived as someone looking for some way to gain from another's misfortune.

I note that he tries to justify it by saying
P.S. - I did give her a ride to where her dad picked her up, the use of my phone to call him, a cigarette, and the chance to warm up in my car while eating her food. And, I never pressured her or did anything crude.
My concern is that what if she didn't call her dad? She was obviously not out there looking to get laid so if she didn't call her dad, sounds like he MAY have just left her there like the others. Perhaps I am wrong and he would have taken her anyway but she did let her leave the car once so I am guessing he would have again. What if she got raped o the way home? I know that is not his problem but I'd feel like an ass if it was me that could have prevented it and didn't. I don't have a problem with him trying to take advantage of the situation and getting lucky as much as the fact that she was in need of help and if he didn't get lucky, he would have left her there.

Ever notice it is the same people, if the situation is reversed, talk about how cruel society has become. Gee...I wonder why. Wonder if the girl got a plate number and dad and brothers will come pay a visit.

I'm curious. Wonder if he short changes the blind too. No, maybe not cuz I guess that doesn't help scratch THAT itch.

Alrighty then!!! Flame retardent suit on and done up. Let the flames begin!!! Afterall, I HAVE to be wrong here cuz this IS a hooker review board and is supposed to be about getting fucked and writing a full blow-by-blow account about it right? Piss on helping anyone. Stupid Me!!!!
 

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I like this thread. It raises an interesting scenario.
Here is this girl. A grown adult. Twenty-sumthin. Same age or older than alot of SPs that pooners pay for FS. Alone. Downtown. At 2:30 a.m. In an f'n fast food joint parking lot, approaching strangers in cars.

My money says, any guy that says he wouldn't have explored the same options as ghostie did is full-o-fudge.
 

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FuZzYknUckLeS said:
My money says, any guy that says he wouldn't have explored the same options as ghostie did is full-o-fudge.
Hey Fuzzy, not saying I might not have tried the same thing myself but when she says she goes to church etc. I would have thought to myself I should give her the benefit of the doubt and maybe she really did need a ride and was not a loose woman. If she agreed to an 'exchange' of some sort for a ride, fine. Both get some benefit out of it. Where I differ in this scenario is that it would have been clear that she needed a ride and I might have done that as long as it was not WAY out of my way. If she did not reached her dad, I would have offered her a ride to a bus stop, cab, even cop shop if she was in some sort of trouble but would have tried not to just leave her there in case the next car she appraoched was a jerk who might have done God knows what to her. I realize too that she may have been a scammer so chances are that I would not have talked to her to begin with.
 

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Mike Hawk said:
Bullshit!!

Do you ever try to help ugly women or homeless guys?? There are tons of homeless people in Van right now that you could help instead of spending $$$ on pooning. Do you??
My God, how does one even start to address such a ridiculous comment? The two are so unrelated to begin with.

The point that should not NEED to me made but obviously does need to be made...I, for one, would not be parked among homeless people munching on a burger waiting for one of them to approach, me hoping that I get the opportunity to get fucked for helping them out.
 

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This is an interesting topic and in all honesty I'm not sure what I would have done in this situation. Prior to my involvement in this hobby, I know I would have either driven her home, or if that was too far, to a location of her choice within reason.

Now that I've engaged in this hobby, you look at these young girls differently than I would have before.

Sad perhaps, but true.

Having said that I think my actions would still be the same. For starters, I don't have the balls to just ask someone if they'll put out for money. If they voluteer then that's a different story but otherwise I'm not going down that path.

But a ride out to Lougheed Mall would at the very least require me to want some gas money, unless I simply wanted to enjoy her company and was prepared to wishfully think it would lead somewhere. And even then I would have to be in the mood to drive out there knowing the likely outcome was going to be "thanks for the ride" I've done things like that before, but like I said, it depends on my mood. But I certainly would have given her a ride to a location that wasn't far.

Having said that, I don't really have a problem with Ghostie's actions (or thoughts) either. Obviously when a girl puts herself in that situation she has to expect these types of responses. And she could have waited until she found a female driver to approach if she was really scared or disgusted by this. Christ at this hour damn near every guy alone is probably horny, she can't be that naive.

But neither do I think this girl slipped through your fingers. I just don't think she was interested in what you were offering. It's as simple as that.
 
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The chick's an idiot. She's like a walking public service announcement on what NOT to do if you're ever in that situation.

And yeah, "dad" told her to go wait at Main & Hastings (of all fucking places) and he'd pick her up. Uh huh.
 

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You should have just driven her home for free, especially after she went to talk to 2 other guys. She's a dumb girl, and dumb girls get into big trouble. You could have saved her from being taken in by a rapist or a serial killer.
 

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ghostie said:
So anyway… WAS I CLOSE HERE OR WHAT!!! Fuck!!!! I thought I had it… but it slipped away with that call to her dad. Goddamnit I was horny after that! This would have been the best street score ever. This chick was just way too hot to be out there walking around at 2:30 in the morning asking guys for rides! Damnit! How did this slip through my fingers?? :confused:
I doubt you were anywhere close to closing the deal. Chinese with a chinese accent, the chances of her being a SW are extremely remote. My guess is she was actually just trying to get a ride to avoid pissing off her parents. She was probably approaching guys because they are the most likely to go out of their way to rescue a pretty damsel in distress(obviously a dangerous way to get a free ride).

Your only chance to score with this chick was probably to have offered her a ride, no strings attached, then asked if she wanted to go out sometime after you drove her home. She might have said no, but then again she might have said yes. If you gave her a ride and she was a SW she would have likely have broached the subject of sexual favours and if she wasn't you would at least earn some nice guy points instead of her thinking you are a creep, at least giving yourself some chance of scoring at a later date.
 

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The chick's an idiot. She's like a walking public service announcement on what NOT to do if you're ever in that situation.

And yeah, "dad" told her to go wait at Main & Hastings (of all fucking places) and he'd pick her up. Uh huh.
Yah I agree that the Main and Hastings thing was weird, and didn't quite ring true. Ultimately, she was not looking for me to solve her problems, and I just left it at that. There are thousands of people out there in need of help every night, I personally don't feel that she was one of them - or at least she was not very high up on the needing help scale. She wanted a free ride to Lougheed Mall. She did not want options.

I don't know, I guess the most I can really say with this is that there was something very "off" about the whole thing. This wasn't a sweet innocent, lost little girl in desperate need of a White Knight. There was something shifty going on. She was thinking she could take advantage of me and get a free ride that would probably be at least a $25 cab fare, probably more. I didn't go for that, but I helped her out a bit anyway. Sure, I wanted to determine if she was in the market for "business", but there is nothing wrong with that. That inference was more than reasonable in the circumstances. Look at what they were:

- in an area known not only for drugs and prostitution, but specifically for this kind of thing. I've been propositioned at these drive-thrus late at night numerous times.
- she was by herself, approaching numerous single men in cars. Her approach was hooker-like, in that she would go up to the window lean down.
- she asks to sit in my car (this alone is just so bizarre if she wasn't a hooker. Why wouldn't she have just come up to me and asked for a ride straight out?)
- she asks my name (as all hookers do when they first meet you)
- she asks if I have to work tomorrow
- she asks where I live (which could be interpreted as, "do you have a place to go")
- she tells me she was "partying" tonight
- when I asked what kind of "party" she was coming from, she answered in a way that indicated that drugs were involved

Nobody goes this far down this path by accident.

Bottom line: she changed her mind or she was looking for a sucker to take advantage of. I was playing my game and I think that I got close to my goal. She was playing her game (find a sucker to give a free ride all the way out to Lougheed Mall for nothing), and she probably felt that she was pretty close to achieving that goal as well. I don't provide a charity service though, and as I say, this girl was looking for something very specific, not help or options.
 

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I don't disagree with most of the comments such as:
- she should have known what most guys out there would be looking for
- she should have arranged for a ride (and maybe she did)
- she was an idiot for going from car to car looking for a ride

And I also agreed that I may have been looking for a good time with her too BUT...I just feel that after seeing what transpired, if I got the sense that she was not out hustling and was naive or was an idiot that could have got hurt out there if she came across the wrong guy, I would have done my best to make sure that did not happen.

I had a similar situation one night years ago. Girls was walking down a main street but no houses or buildings for many blocks. Not a stroll of any ind either. I was blocks away from her. Didn't even see her but a truck pulls over and starts moving really slowly, then I see a woman, She keeps walking but he keeps up with her in the truck. I pass them and see in my mirror he's still hassling her. Went back with my windpw rolled down and tried to ask if she needed help. Can't remember all the details but ended up going to a nearby hotel hoping tp spot a cop car but saw none, cald 911 and drove back. He was still trying to pick her up. I pulled behind him. He got pissed off and comes out of his truck yelling unless I was a cop, fuck off. I yelled at her that the cops were on the way and soon they approached. He took off like a bat out of hell and I figured I MAY have prevented a rape that night. Maybe it was just a domestic dispute and she ran away from home and he was chasing her, who knows. I doubt it by the way she was dressed (like she went out) It felt kind of good knowing that I rather than try to take advantage of someone, I did what I thought was the right thing. So yes, I am sure a few posts ago some of you thought it's easy for me to sit here and say stuff but I have also DONE the same.
 

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damn man i wish i was in that situation ghostie. I woulda told her 'how bout you stay at my motel room for the night and ill drive you home in the morning(probably not =P)
 

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If she wanted to go to Main and Hastings the last thing on her mind was a ride from Dad. She wanted crack, if you had offered to get some she would have been all over that. She was partying with people that she probably did drugs with and was in the mood for more. She doesn't seem like a Ho but if she likes crack she will soon be one, especially if she goes to Main and Hastings. You could have offered her more $ which she would have thought about, but my guess is if you would have scored crack she would have partied with you.
Hatrick, you're a classic man!

Those of us that read the Vancouver Reviews section of this board know that you have absolutely legendary radar for these kinds of situations. I need to take some pooner upgrading lessons from you or something!

I was thinking about bringing money into the equation, to tip the balance so to speak, and I think that this might have been what she wanted to hear. I really wish I understood Chinese. It would be very illuminating to know what was said in that 30 second conversation on the phone.

Anyway, despite what some of you guys are saying... there was "something going on" here. I think I was pretty close. Should have offered to get her a score, although I don't know how to do that without buying it myself (which I don't really want to risk... I'd look too out of place buying drugs down there). I don't want to just give her $20-40 bucks and say, "O.k., go score and come back." With a SW you can usually "keep her" in these situations through the promise of more money for the lay when she comes back. This situation was just real tough to pull off. Maybe Hatrick could have done it, but most of us mortals need a course in remedial pooning before we can attempt an advanced manoeuvre like this :p

ghostie is a relatively young, good looking professional that drives a brand new sporty car. She was into me... I just couldn't quite close.
 

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Like Dexi said this chicks a g*d damn idiot. Good place for a young girl to look for a ride at 2am, Burger King parking lot down in hooker central. It was all bullshit, no way I would drive from BK to Loughhhed mall for free. Atleast gas money.

Maybe she was shy or something, but you should have cam right out and said you had a couple greens or something, but a pay for a BJ and a ride to Lougheed mall from downton is too much.

She obviously had money to buy fries, why not use the pay phone to call "dad" instead. And yah meet me at Main & Hastings dad....yah fukkin right, maybe if she just moved here and only knows 1 location.....hahahaha yah right!!!

Bottom line if your a chick and hanging around the main and terminal BK at 3am and not a hooker, your in the wrong part of town.

PS: I don't give change to street bums anymore since I read an article about well to do people dressing up and impersonating homeless people since the money is so easy to get.
 

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Hatrick said:
You know your boundaries, that is a very good trait to have in your arsenal. It doesn't take much to find a whole lot of trouble in the wrong part of town. Alot of times if you score rock for a girl down there, ripped off is exactly what you get.

Make sure you have some standby numbers to call in your cel incase of major wood emergencies, Ha Ha!:)
I think I'll put Hatrick on my speed dial! :)

"Hat, major pooning-gone-bad situation down here at Main & Hastings!! Fire up the trick machine and get down here, stat!!" :p

I got a few numbers that could really get me out of a lot of shit, but like most people, I don't want to cash those chips in unless I absolutely have to. I wouldn't be looked at the same if I had resort to that! "What did you say you were doing down there at 3:00 a.m.?" ... "Uh, I was.... :eek:"
 

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I have absolutely no problem with what happened with you, Ghostie, nor the manner you perceived it - or at best imagined anyway. She saw you as a mark, in the same way as you saw her - end of story. She was just looking to fleece somebody, and hasn't gotten good at it yet. This is also about ethics, and I can't remember ever inheriting any of those. My mind would have worked the same way in this situation. In fact, I remember trying something similar in the past. Not the best way to score though. Then again, everybody in here knows I'm a hopeless, immoral cad. I used to get BKs there often, but there are so many panhandlers cruising the drive-thru at night, I go elsewhere.

Better Luck next time.
 

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Ghostie your spidey senses are OFF!

You guys are ALL wrong...:eek: My basic summary... "white guys trying to get into oriental micro." Ghostie, you've got to "think" asian. No I am DEFINITELY NOT trying to raise ANY RACISM issues... it's just that I see a lot of you guys crying the "r-word" when you don't try to understand culture and the way things work in each culture.

My take... Ghostie, you had a live one or else she wouldn't have approached your car. Does she put out--probably/eventually. Most chicks that hot are generally inclined to find out just why all these greasy perbs are staring at them.

Clean-cut whitey, yeah I'm sure she saw you as potential, you just pushed too hard--patience my brother, I would have done the drive and got her number.

You need more coaching, pm me Ghostie... you can't expect to cook AAA steak to perfection w/o training or experience. You get A+ for effort, just need more education.
 

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Huh? Sweet innocent hot asian girl walking up to all these cars just wondering why everyone is staring at her at that time of the morning? Are you kidding me? It's a cultural thing? Give her a ride and get her number so she can call him later? Yeah, right. Oh daddy come and pick me up at Main and Hastings instead of the BK here. What am I doing out at this hour here, well these guys are looking at me and I don't know why, so I thought I'd ask for a ride from one of them. They seem nice like the guys at church. But I can't seem to get a ride but I can get to Main and Hastings for you to pick me up. She's oriental and she doesn't have her own cell phone? Give me a break. She wanted something and she either chickened out or it wasn't going as she planned.

If it was in the afternoon, I could buy the culteral thing.
 
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