Human Trafficking. Do you really care?

[Jethro Bodine]

During my almost 20 years of partaking in this hobby I have always tried my darndest to avoid seeing anyone who was not doing this willingly and independently.
That is why I have pretty well only seen reputable, independent, well reviewed locals or touring ladies. As well, my preference for mature ladies tends to make sure they fall into the previous categorie. That said, I am also not naive enough to think that I probably have seen the odd lady who is supporting a drug/alcohol/gambling addiction or lazy BF/Pimp but i would like to think these cases are rare.
When I occasionally peruse the local Leo Listings for escort/massage ads, more just to pass time when bored, it is interesting how many ads there are for young, touring gals. Many of these young girls are obviously new to the country and some not. My mind immediately goes to thoughts of human trafficking especially with the abundance of young Asian girls but also the young Black/Hispanic/Quebecois girls. Here in Winnipeg we also have a lot of young Aboriginal girls who are undoubtedly being pimped, usually by gangs. I hate to generalize like this but I'm just being honest.
When I read reviews on these girls I wonder if the guy reviewing them ever thought he may be seeing a girl who if she had a real choice would not be doing this no matter how much she may appear to be a willing participant.
Guys must be seeing these girls because they keep coming.
How many of you think about this?
Is this a concern to you?

Cheers
J

 

[westwoody]

It is a concern for me, and I avoid the asian agencies because of it.
We see many young women on leo who simply look too young or naive to be doing this on their own.
I think most don't care at all, especially at AMPs where thee is a language barrier and almost zero human interaction.

 

[licks2nite]

Canada signed onto human trafficking at the same time Canada signed onto trade treaties that guaranteed Canadians access to virtual slave labour overseas.

 

[storm rider]

To me this is for the most part a non issue and it is political partisanship right now as well as pandering with public tax dollars.

For a number of years I was a very huge VIP customer at Sugarland and I was also one of it's most ardent defenders.I posted tons of reviews on CAF and defended the accusations of "human trafficking" as raised by white western SP's who did not want to compete with the service and pricing.

One day out of the blue Sugar K asked me for a favour.She asked me to pick up a gal who was working in her micro and take her to a bank.I said yes of course.Showed up and took her to the bank and she had with her 2 cellphones,her valid passport and I would say about $10,000 in cash.Was this gal a victim of "human trafficking"?.....not likely.

I dont know what it is like in Vancouver asian micros as I have never been to one.From my perspective and observations the gals are staying in fairly nice condos and have cell phones as well as internet access.Hardly something you would give to a "slave".

At one point another pooner and I had the Sugarland Supper Club going.We would show up at Sugar K's place and proceed to make a gourmet dinner.Other pooners joined us to eat and enough was made so the gals got dinner as well.One time I hand grinded an entire 8 pound prime rib and ran it through the grinder 3 times whilst adding pureed garlic/jalepeno as well as a plethora of spices and pan sauteed it and made up the most wicked meat sauce I have ever created and it was used to drown the hand stuffed cannelloni the other guy made.The gals were over the moon for that meat sauce and ate the left over sauce on rice for 3 days afterwards.

SR

 

[clu]

Yes. There should be a strong distinction drawn between victims of human trafficking and voluntary sex work. Abolitionists try to lump them all together and pretend there's no distinction as justification for wielding blunt instrument laws that ultimately lead to more harm. The message in anything sexual is consent is key and that should be the message in sex work too. Consent is the line that separates liberty from criminal acts. Society should not see sex work as abhorrent, but situations where there is not consent.

 

[haigum141]

In Canada, there is probably 1 girl to 1000 that falls under op’s category if they are advertising on LL.

Do you guys know the statistics on how many girls voluntarily enter the japanese porn industry every year? 30-40 thousand girls enter every single year. Japanese AV is a multi billion dollar industry.

In Hong Kong, prostitution is 100% legal. Did you know that industry is one of the biggest contributors to economy consistently year after year and new girls enter every single day on their own accord.

In Vancouver, the typical session ranges from 160 hh up to 400 to a few thousand dollars. Girls that partake in this hobby are making income that is likely five or six times excess of their customers and they pay absolutely no tax on it. I had conversation with AF about what some of the girls were making (Swan, well reviewed) and she was pulling in 40,000+ a month.

I have an SP friend and she was making 20-30 thousand regularly consistently on a monthly basis. How many pooners do you think pull that in after government takes their chunk?

Even low volume girls who have just 15 sessions in a week (2 clients a day) are making around 10k/m, again, no tax

Yes it does exist but the vast majority of ladies do not fall into that category. When you make that kind of income, you don’t subject yourself to situations where that occurs, at that point you are doing this 100% voluntarily.

 

[80watts]

Yes. It is a slave trade. Any ethical modern human is against the slave trade. Slavery was ended in the US at the end of the US Civil War. But Black people are still thought of as animals by bigoted White supremacists....


But the slave trade is very profitable for the people in it; that is why they do it.

Its not just the sex trade, but the global market that employs slaves. That running shoe you pay 150.00 for; the person that made it, probably makes less that 2.00/hr..... Which is why a good workboot made in Canada will cost you 400-600.00/pr....

Imagine a law where they had to post the actual cost of making an item, with price markups and taxes included. Inflation....

 

[clu]

Girls that partake in this hobby are making income that is likely five or six times excess of their customers and they pay absolutely no tax on it.

Oh great. Here we go again... :deadhorse:

 

[Uncled]

took her to the bank and she had with her 2 cellphones,her valid passport and I would say about $10,000 in cash.

I was at an AMP in Regina a few years ago where a Chinese girl asked me if it was OK to take large amounts of money through airport security for flights within Canada. She told me that she had $30,000 (!) that she wanted to take on a flight to Toronto.

 

[BobbyMcgee]

minimum wage in southern Mexico is $4/day and for the entire country is $8/day so...
“That running shoe you pay 150.00 for; the person that made it, probably makes less that 2.00/hr.”
more like less than $2/day and sex trade workers globally are working to pay off a family debt/loan that will take them well into their 30’s, not earning a wage

 

[licks2nite]

I was at an AMP in Regina a few years ago where a Chinese girl asked me if it was OK to take large amounts of money through airport security for flights within Canada. She told me that she had $30,000 (!) that she wanted to take on a flight to Toronto.

She wasn't going to Toronto to put the cash in her own bank account. Sounds like she was going to give the cash to somebody.

 

[Correct]

She wasn't going to Toronto to put the cash in her own bank account. Sounds like she was going to give the cash to somebody.

She can't put her money into the bank like many people can, because then the Government would be asking a lot of questions about how she got it, and she would at the least be taxed on it. I've known many in the industry, they all had large sums of cash, terrible credit rating, and a minuscule bank account with at most a couple grand in it. Walk into a bank with 30k and ask to deposit it, they get out the forms for you to fill out and sign, asking how you came to have a large sum of cash.
Even just go to a car dealership with the cash to buy your next car, see what happens.
That is why they have lots of cash.
And to the other question about wages in Mexico, a place I spend a LOT of time. It is 103 pesos per day now, which is roughly $7 Canadian. So that lady you paid 300 to 400 pesos to for the hour is very grateful. The all day/24 hours you got with a real sweetheart for 2500 to 3500 pesos, plus you fed her a few nice restaurant meals, and let her sleep in your bed at the nice hotel, well to her it is like winning the lottery...especially since she also got laid out of the deal.

 

[johnnydepth]

Yes. It is a slave trade. Any ethical modern human is against the slave trade. Slavery was ended in the US at the end of the US Civil War. But Black people are still thought of as animals by bigoted White supremacists....


But the slave trade is very profitable for the people in it; that is why they do it.

Its not just the sex trade, but the global market that employs slaves. That running shoe you pay 150.00 for; the person that made it, probably makes less that 2.00/hr..... Which is why a good workboot made in Canada will cost you 400-600.00/pr....

Imagine a law where they had to post the actual cost of making an item, with price markups and taxes included. Inflation....

The slave trade is alive and well in North America. It is disguised as democratic capitalism.

 

[Gardener]

To me this is for the most part a non issue and it is political partisanship right now as well as pandering with public tax dollars.

For a number of years I was a very huge VIP customer at Sugarland and I was also one of it's most ardent defenders.I posted tons of reviews on CAF and defended the accusations of "human trafficking" as raised by white western SP's who did not want to compete with the service and pricing.

SR

You’ve railed against immigration in Canada on this board for years, but now it’s OK as long as you get cheap SP’s. Please explain to the board why the change of mind.

 

[overdone]

The slave trade is alive and well in North America. It is disguised as democratic capitalism.

unlike the middle east, africa and asia

where it's just disguised for what it is, the slave trade

Africans and Arabs were and still are far bigger participants in the slave trade than the Whites were back in the day

who do you think sold the slaves to whitey back then? :noidea:

Which is why a good workboot made in Canada will cost you 400-600.00/pr....

that isn't even close to being true

there are a few companies in Canada who make work boots, which don't cost anywhere near 400, and they are of good quality

just cause there's a place in Van that has over-priced boots doesn't make it the rule

 

[Correct]

I bought Royer a very good brand of Canadian made work boots, cost me $190.

 

[80watts]

Wow thats a good deal... and on the internet there is a place that says Royer makes 50% of its boots in Canada.

But the topic of this thread is human trafficking..... Slavers selling people to make a profit... These people work as slaves to produce the products you buy in North America, and not just a body sold into the sex market.

This should horrify the average person, but it dosen't... why, because they get cheap goods.... out of sight out of mind....what you don't know dosen't hurt you etc...

In North America the sex trade has pimps. They hook their victims on drugs and when they are no longer viable they throw them out like trash.

Material world. Money. Quick and cheap.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

How did this thread become a discussion on work boots? :doh:
Sure the title is "Human Trafficking" which is vast topic, it was mean't to be more of a discussion of whether we as pooners really care or not, that the SP we are seeing is being pimped or trafficked.
There will always be slavery, war, poverty, etc. in the world. Sadly it's in our DNA as humans.

Cheers
J