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HST - unexplained price increases????

Karl Blues

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In some of the small item restaurants and stores, I have noticed that some merchants have snuck in a price increase along with the HST.

I suppose they are hoping no-one notices cause the calculation is a little hard to do in one's head.

I also noticed it at my regular RMT the other day. She charged me an extra 5$ and also the HST. Previously, it was just GST.

So much for price drops!
 

Horse99

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there won't be any price drops....pls let us know if you find out something that does

my barber snuck in a price increase in late May.....so when the HST hit in July, he already had the price in place.

Businesses are going to save money, but will it translate into hiring? I don't believe so, but the politicians would like you to believe that...
 

*Hot*For*You*

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I suppose its not a surprise about the price increase ownersnect are trying to sneak in... it sucks about the HST but I guess they need to pay for everything somehow (ex. olympics, sea to sky highway, convention centre, bc place, canada line...) so Id move out of the province for a few years if I could!
 

Pillowtalk

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Overall expenses increase as well, so really price increases are necessary otherwise even with business revenues being exactly the same, the profits are going to decrease. A friend mentioned her phone bill is $15 higher, with no change is services. The impact is going to take a while to manifest, but it is out there: advertising, food, utilities, on and on. It will impact the profits negatively, and prices will have to increase. I am not sure how businesses will be saving money; if there and at home, all expenses are going to be higher.
 
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HubbaHubba

Yeah, except the economy if fueled by economic activity created from buying things.
You telling me you aren't gonna go for dinner because a restaurant raised the meal $2 and there's now HST on it? Give me a break. people are talking stupidity here. I was out on the weekend and guess what, the patio I was on was packed. People just like to bitch.
 
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Well you can't blame the small business owner for trying to sneak in a few extra bucks in...what with the goverment stealing 7% on thousands of things that previously escaped the grasp of the greasy provincial tax man. Got my Costco renewal in the mail...7% more, rented some equipment..7% more...tried to have a few drinks at the bar to forget about things.....7% more. I can't believe Campbell has a 23% approval rating...how can it possibly be that high? The only thing I am looking forward to is the next election......
Is the NDP gonna take it out? You can vote for whoever you want.....it doesn't change my man. You will be saying the exact same thing about them 1-2 yrs after the election. Them the facts.
 

Papa Chongo

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I agree, and as a small business owner it is not all that bad, people just like to bitch!

I prefer the benefits that come along with taxes, like health care, Good roads, transit, and etc etc etc
 
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No Hubba, it won't stop people from going out, but it will stop them from spending as much when they go out.
I don't believe it will. I personally have never even factored the HST into any meal or cocktails I've purchased. It's all lip service dood....people will still go out and spend more than they can afford to spend....it's the North American way.
 

InTheBum

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my barber snuck in a price increase in late May.....so when the HST hit in July, he already had the price in place.

Businesses are going to save money, but will it translate into hiring? I don't believe so, but the politicians would like you to believe that...
And if Businesses did hire... 99% of them in Vancouver are little shitty businesses...like cleaning, restaurants, barber, beauty salons, tanning salons, etc...what kind of jobs are we talking about?

There is virtually no corporate culture here in Vancouver.
 

aznboi9

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Hubba, you base that on your assumption & maybe you're right for a certain economic group/age group. But..capital/money is limited and people can't spend endlessly. Will it hit the sales of coffee at Tim's? No. But, the dude buying that 2000 dollar TV might take the 1800 dollar one because of taxes. Sure, you get the sale but there is less profit in the system. A 2% decline in overall sales is a massive blow to the economy man.
But we were already paying 12% because of the pst/gst, so I don't see that factoring in that much for purchases like that.

And honestly, for alcohol, I really don't think it's going to make much of a difference. An additional 7% works out to be a dollar extra on a $15 six pack, so I think that people are going to keep buy the alcohol that they want.

And, from what I've heard, when they implemented the HST in the Atlantic provinces, it took about a year for averages prices to come down as competition forced businesses to pass on their savings to the customer.
 

Cock Throppled

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I don't believe it will. I personally have never even factored the HST into any meal or cocktails I've purchased. It's all lip service dood....people will still go out and spend more than they can afford to spend....it's the North American way.
Sounds like you are a typical over-consuming fool.
 

Man Mountain

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A friend mentioned her phone bill is $15 higher, with no change is services.
That must be some phone bill! Mine only went up like 2 bucks.
 

Man Mountain

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Take alcohol.
Actually, in BC the HST on alcohol will actually be lower than the previous tax that was on alcohol in BC. But that's not necessarily good news. Sounds like the prices will actually come out to be about the same. This is from a couple of months ago, so I don't know if this info is current.

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/increases+markup+booze+lowers/3060327/story.html

LDB increases markup on booze as HST lowers tax
There will be no price break for drinkers despite tax reduction of 3%
By Doug Ward, Vancouver Sun May 22, 2010


British Columbians won't be getting a price break on their favourite libations this summer, even though the harmonized sales tax lowers the provincial sales tax on booze.

The provincial Liquor Distribution Branch is ensuring its revenues won't decline by increasing its markup on wines and spirits to offset a three-percent reduction in the sales tax, said Gord Hall, the LDB's corporate policy director. In other words, prices of wine, beer and spirits at provincial liquor stores will remain the same.

"On July 1, British Columbians will see virtually no changes in price when they purchase liquor at a B.C. government liquor store," Hall said in an e-mail.

"Markups are being adjusted to avoid price increases and we expect consumers will only see a difference of plus or minus a few pennies, depending on the product."

Critics say the coming liquor markup undermines the provincial government's argument that the HST will lower retail prices by reducing the tax burden on business.

"I would have liked them to give everybody a break with tax rates being reduced," said lawyer Mark Hicken, whose website, winelaw.ca,covers wine and the law in Canada and B.C.

"It would have been a nice goodwill gesture. Without the markup, prices for wine would have dropped by three per cent," he said.

Asad Masede, a Vancouver web designer, said the government should have passed on the tax cut in the form of a discount for drinkers. Emerging from a liquor store at Harbour Centre, Masede said the HST is good for small businesses, "but for people who are buying stuff, it's not so good.

"Especially these days when the economy is the way it is. People are spending more on alcohol and movies now."

The provincial sales tax on alcohol will go down from the current 10 per cent to seven per cent with the introduction of the HST on July 1.

(The HST, at 12 per cent, comprises the seven-per-cent provincial sales tax plus the five-per-cent federal sales tax.)

But the markup on wine will increase by six per cent, from 117 per cent to 123 per cent. The markup on spirits will jump from 163 per cent to 170 per cent. And the markup on packaged beer will rise from $1.63 per litre to $1.75.

Bill Tieleman, a strategist for the Fight HST petition campaign who writes a blog on wine (winebarbarian. blogspot.com),said that "anybody who needs a drink because of the HST will be sorely disappointed. It's not going to be any cheaper."

Tieleman added that Victoria is claiming businesses will lower retail prices under the HST while refusing itself to lower prices on booze.

"The government can't have it both ways."

Hicken agreed with the LDB that booze prices will be about the same -- even though the markups are higher than the cut in taxes.

Hicken said he did some calculations using the new pricing formula on wine and found that shelf prices won't rise, despite the new markup.

The LDB's markup needs to exceed the sales tax cut of three per cent in order to maintain the same pricing, added Hicken, because the markup is applied to wholesale prices, which are lower than retail prices.

Hicken also questioned whether it's appropriate policy to offset lost tax revenue with revenue from administrative pricing.

Tax revenue is subject to the scrutiny of the legislature, said Hicken, while liquor markups are not. "It's the issue of no taxation without representation."

© Copyright (c) The Vancouver Sun
 

steverino

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When prices go up, consumption goes down. Okay, so I paid attention in class.
 

smackyo

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Yeah except none of the extra tax collected on things that normally didn't have that extra 7% will be going to health care, roads, ect........... It's all going to towards big business kick backs. You and I nor anyone else in this province will see a positive effect on any of the above mentioned due to this tax.
 

Muffdiver69

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BC might learn a little bit from it's neighbor to the East that has a blue flag and no PST. Go Alberta.
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must be nice to have billions of dollars coming in from big oil companies. Can we borrow the tar sands for a few years?
 

Karl Blues

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Guys, my point was that the price increases I saw on some items (especially services) that were PST-exempt and now fall under HST were around 10%, not 7% as advertised. Whether the tax is good or bad is immaterial, it is here to stay.

Some merchants are sneaking in a price increase because the calculation is difficult for many. That is sneaky.

You can avoid the price increase (by the merchants) by shopping around. That's not bitching or complaining (that's for you Hubba). It's smart shopping. If it's just a few pennies and you don't care, fine. Others have a right to know and save the few pennies.
 
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