How Self-Driving Cars Will Change The Economy And Society

[JimDandy]

I having been thinking about this a lot recently. I googled the topic and found some interesting posts. Here are a few:

http://tomholowka.com/self-driving-cars/

I like the reference to pornography and pizza in the post above

https://www.quora.com/What-will-be-the-effect-on-society-once-self-driving-cars-become-mainstream

For the link above, you need to read the posts after the short article added by viewers which actually makes up the majority of the web page. Some very interesting insights. Here is one of the posts I am referring to:

"The decisions are potentially even more difficult. Even though some of these are known problems, that doesn't make them any easier. For example, if the automobile realizes that an accident is definitely going to occur, but the program can choose between two different outcomes, it can be faced with a variant of what is known as the Trolley Problem. Should the car always attempt to save its driver, or perhaps be willing to sacrifice the driver if the other option would involve a risk of more deaths? If the program chooses poorly, what are the legal ramifications? (Note that humans are not expected to react as quickly and precisely, so are very seldom actually subjected to such a Sophie's Choice.)"

http://blog.bestusedtires.com/self-driving-car-predictions/

http://www.fastcoexist.com/3043305/how-self-driving-cars-will-change-the-economy-and-society

A few predictions I did not read but that I could see happening:

- It may become very expensive to insure yourself for "self driving". If it can be proven in court that due to you being a rotten selfish person you opted to control your vehicle instead of letting the automation take control, even minor fender benders could result in large law suits. "I was so traumatized by the accident that I needed to take several months off from my work ...". You get the idea. This might speed up the replacement of all not automated vehicles and/or a retrofit to vehicles to support self-driving.

- If self-driving on the public roads becomes impractical, private tracks where ordinary individuals can have amateur races might become much more popular. Buy up your local race track now and it may increase in value a great deal in the coming years.

- I could see very specialized, and by today's standards, very unusual vehicles being designed. You could have a vehicle that is basically a traveling office with all the amenities of an office but able to take you where you want to go at the same time. You could rent one by the hour or own one that could become your permanent office. Another specialized vehicle could be a traveling bedroom. All windows would be blacked out. Automated driver does not need windows You could book one, have it pick up your favorite sp, then have it pick you up, do the deed(s) and then free up the vehicle for the next customer - after a through cleaning we would hope

So folks, what predictions would you like to make?

JD

 

[yazoo]

An interesting possible future arises with the convergence of the technologies of self-driving cars, uber, bitcoin, and internet of things.

Imagine fully autonomous cars that accept payment from humans for driving them places. They purchase electricity at charge stations - paying from their own wallet. If they malfunction, they drive themselves to a repair centre, or request a tow truck.

 

[Lee Marvin]

I started this last month. My prediction was roving driverless incalls.
http://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?220897-Self-Driving-Cars&highlight=

 

[JimDandy]

I started this last month. My prediction was roving driverless incalls.
http://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?220897-Self-Driving-Cars&highlight=

LOL. I guess it is true what they say about small minds seldom differing

 

[sybian]

You guys are talking about self driving cars...And I still make my living on the back of a horse.
When I do get my hands on a cell phone and ask Siri a question...They're always dirty.

 

[Caramel]

You guys are talking about self driving cars...And I still make my living on the back of a horse.
When I do get my hands on a cell phone and ask Siri a question...They're always dirty.

I know right...I'm sitting here thinking of how half the city's power still constantly goes out when there's a little bit of wind and rain every week, and the low battery life of cell phones and pretty much everything else out there. I don't think we're ready for self driving cars lmao

 

[87112]

Chase bank has automated bank machines that do everything now inside the bank pretty much ready to replace a teller, unless you need someone to hold your hand or someone to talk to.
Many groceries and stores self checkout.

SPs, Haircutters, furniture movers will not go away for a long time.

 

[johnsmit]

Society is all has been designed around rapid transit for a few centuries now.. and when you look it at the impact the Skytrain system in greater vancouver has..it basically has changed where development will take place and where people want to live ..and prob over 50% of the population don't drive or have vehical
Other things that have been happening is the use of road deviders and islands ..bariors every thing to separate two way traffic from running into each other.. of course the human factor still causes accidents.. .
So I can see basic mote road ways ..just like tracks.. for directions traffic into cities and nabour hood .. and the seniors for the self driving vehical .implanted along these corridors.
The totally smart self driving vehical is mot needed.. the skytrain does ok on its 20yr old program ..

The big part if it all is the majority of people will be clustered more in megatropolises and not need to travel that far..
Those that still want the rural life will pay higher tax ..higher insurance or maybe can't get a u drive vehical insured. . Or only for certain purposes.

But group commuting will be the more common system down designated road ways ..which is easy to automate

 

[sybian]

My self driving vehicle is environmentaly friendly. It only needs grass and water to run, and creates fertilizer as a waste product,which creates it's own fuel over a 12 month period.
If I can't find my way , I just give it some reign and it will go the shortest distance to home.
Without the use of GPS navigation.
If you do something dangerous, or inhumane...It makes a executive decision in it's computer, and dumps the passenger into the dirt, and makes him or her walk ,to their desired destination.
So it's computer is already self regulating to preserve its integrity, and well being.
Maitenance is 3 to 4 sets of iron shoes a year, including nails, a Bi-yearly floatation of dental work, to process gasoline.....A few Vet checks in it's lifespan, and worming twice a year.

 

[MissingOne]

My self driving vehicle is environmentaly friendly. ...

When horseless carriages began to appear on city streets more than a century ago, they were viewed by many as an environmental boon because big cities had serious problems with horse manure and other feces of draft animals. Sure enough, the technological solution worked. Cities don't worry much about horse manure any more. Except of course for the kind that comes from City Hall.

 

[johnsmit]

There is another reason why horses were replaced also

We never lived in the late 1800s in a city ..but it was not plesent having horse shit dust on every thing.. people stepped in it tracked it to homes and businesses and their clothes stunk of it ..
Think how r he cities would smell if there were million horses down down.. and also the desies. Flys..magets. ..and the ocasional dead horse .a long the road ....
It was not plesent back then ..it would be discusting today .

Today it just a romantic ideal ..which I few chose ro live in...Being environmentally friendly ....but far from practical for multi billion population .

 

[papillion]

Chase bank has automated bank machines that do everything now inside the bank pretty much ready to replace a teller, unless you need someone to hold your hand or someone to talk to.
Many groceries and stores self checkout.

SPs, Haircutters, furniture movers will not go away for a long time.

SPs will not be replaced in the near future, BUT, there will be AI sexbots that compete with humans in the not so distant future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdrHNi7tCwQ

Translink has explored testing of autonmous minibuses, and the Nederlands already uses them. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...l-public-roads-arrive-in-the-Netherlands.html

 

[vancity_cowboy]

i can see special segregated lanes and parking lots being built specifically for automated cars such that the passenger in the automated car will only ever be exposed to other automated cars, and theoretically much less danger

leaving the po' folk to duke it out in the non-automated lanes!

this would not require much physical change to the urban infrastructure - i mean they're creating friggin' bicycle lanes out of streets as it is. once that dead end strategy runs its course, they will have plenty of room to install segregated automated vehicle lanes

 

[MichaelP]

Those who is against self-driving cars or other form of automation should check this YouTube video called Humans Need Not Apply: https://youtu.be/7Pq-S557XQU

Not necessarily a be-all-end-all video but it is something most people need to be aware of.

 

[sdw]

i can see special segregated lanes and parking lots being built specifically for automated cars such that the passenger in the automated car will only ever be exposed to other automated cars, and theoretically much less danger

leaving the po' folk to duke it out in the non-automated lanes!

this would not require much physical change to the urban infrastructure - i mean they're creating friggin' bicycle lanes out of streets as it is. once that dead end strategy runs its course, they will have plenty of room to install segregated automated vehicle lanes

I don't think it will be legal to drive a car in the city, and even most large municipalities. If a person lives out in a rural area, they will still have "meat driven" vehicles. People in cities will only "meat drive" a vehicle if they are in very specialized jobs.

We often have the accident between the ambulance, fire truck, police car and the person that didn't hear the siren because of the music, screaming kids or the fact that they are legally deaf. Autonomous vehicles, whether an emergency vehicle, taxi, delivery vehicle or personal vehicle will know where every other Autonomous vehicle is. The vehicles will negotiate who is in any single spot at the time.

Police won't have to chase a stolen autonomous vehicle, it will drive itself to the police station. If a crime is committed and the person gets into any vehicle in the city's transportation system, the vehicle will drive itself to the police station or stop until a police car can attend it.

 

[sevenofnine]

I wonder what our world will look like one day and what will we all do for work or money.

It has the potential to put millions out of work buses trucks taxis couriers, and I guess auto body shops insurance companies to some extant 50 to seventy percent less accidents. I'm glad I'm old in some ways.

I remember reading an article a long time ago, New York was having a hard time dealing with the horse shit generated in the 1800s the auto came none to soon for new Yorkers they were being buried in the stuff.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

There is another reason why horses were replaced also

We never lived in the late 1800s in a city ..but it was not plesent having horse shit dust on every thing.. people stepped in it tracked it to homes and businesses and their clothes stunk of it ..
Think how r he cities would smell if there were million horses down down.. and also the desies. Flys..magets. ..and the ocasional dead horse .a long the road ....
It was not plesent back then ..it would be discusting today .

Today it just a romantic ideal ..which I few chose ro live in...Being environmentally friendly ....but far from practical for multi billion population .

i met a historian while travelling in my youth, and she had a fascinating story to tell about this subject

during the period approximately 900AD to 1000AD, the caliphate of andalusia in what is now spain was one of the leading cultural, economic and technical centres in medieval europe. in the city of cordoba (its capital city) during this period, the streets were all paved with stone, and special curbs were built up in the streets that were spaced just less than the width of a set of wagon wheels. these were carefully engineered so as to provide let-downs at intersections for wagons to change lanes, and/or turn left or right and not have to break a wheel on a curb while doing so

the wagon drivers were required by strict laws to drive so as to straddle these curbs. the reason for this was that all the horse manure fell between the curbs. at the end of every day, water was released into the curb paths at a rate of flow that washed the manure out of the streets and into special sumps created for that purpose. the manure-saturated water was then used for agricultural purposes

contrast this to conditions in london, which 300 years later was still losing significant chunks of its population to the black death - a disease requiring filthy conditions to survive. or paris, the streets of which were basically fetid, muddy swamps during a rain storm. people were throwing their chamber pots into the streets

by the mid 1200's cordoba fell to the castillians from the north, which became the ruling group during the early colonial era. it is said that cortez, a conquisadore from the castillian era, would not change his coat of mail from the time he left spain for the new world, until the time he returned, sometimes years later. the mail would then have to be cut from his body as his body hair would have grown right through it, making it impossible to remove normally... quite a contrast from the caliphate days!

 

[bcneil]

I predict driverless taxis, just full of garbage and sometimes vomit.

But cars could look however you want.....I will take a massage chair in some sort of safety cage, with a tv.

 

[wetnose]

I predict driverless taxis, just full of garbage and sometimes vomit.

But cars could look however you want.....I will take a massage chair in some sort of safety cage, with a tv.

I think they'd probably have onboard video so they can lock up the vehicle and drive the moron to the police station for vandalism.

 

[wetnose]

Also it is possible that short haul flights (<5 hours) and the hospitality industry might be disrupted...

http://www.dezeen.com/2015/11/25/se...rview-audi-senior-strategist-sven-schuwirth/?