How Rude!

[WalterMitty]

Not surprisingly,

this thread has twisted way off course.

I don't think anyone was complaining about the specifics of how various ladies run their business. The complaint was about a lack of professionalism, actually a lack of common courtesy, shown by an unidentified SP.

If you want to ask for a confirmation call one hour before the appt, fine. But make sure you are available to answer the call at that time, or leave a message on your machine/voice mail explaining why you are now unavailable.

If you don't require a confirmation call, fine. But make sure you are available at the arranged time, or contact your appt as soon as possible if something suddenly comes up and you are unavailable.

But it is extremely rude to promise something and not deliver, regardless of whether it is a business deal or a personal promise.

Walter

 

[aznboi9]

I don't see wealth, power and omnipotence in what I've done but perhaps it can be looked upon as idealistic.

I've looked to push that everyone receive a fair trial. A civil liberty and fundamental right that has been neglected here.

Ignorance is the most violent element in society. Ignorance cripples us. Knowledge is power.

Oh gimme a break. Pantsnake simply ranted about a missed appointment. He didn't name the sp; therefore, nobody's being ostracized or strung out. He even later made for an allowance that an extenuating circumstance may have arisen. There's no trial. Civil liberties aren't being trampled. We don't need a march on Washington. Somehow, this thread has been turned into another debate on appointment booking policy and, what a surprise, the discussion is revolving around your own.

 

[TotallyTouchin]

Indeed!

this thread has twisted way off course.

I don't think anyone was complaining about how various ladies run their business. The complaint was about a lack of professionalism, actually a lack of common courtesy, shown by an unidentified SP.

If you want to ask for a confirmation call one hour before the appt, fine. But make sure you are available to answer the call at that time, or leave a message on your machine/voice mail explaining why you are now unavailable.

If you don't require a confirmation call, fine. But make sure you are available at the arranged time, or contact your appt as soon as possible if something suddenly comes up and you are unavailable.

But it is extremely rude to promise something and not deliver, regardless of whether it is a business deal or a personal promise.

Walter

Well put!

This "rant" is really about two things. The guy was choked and he wrote it but now I think for the good of pooners it may be a prudent idea for him to share the sps name as he has clearly used the board to make his decisions on who to see (share the wealth!!!..even when it's not so great...)....who knows...he could save one of YOU guys from a bad time with no follow-up. I know my bad booking skills have taught me that I am way better off having someone else manage my bookings and I can focus soley on providing awesome service. So sometimes really guys who call you on your "shit" are in fact doing you a favor in the long run if you chose to learn from it.

I would just ask pantsnake if he ever intends to share the sps name or if he just wanted to rant that he had a crappy evening holding his weiner .

All indies book differently...even massage places book differently and l=ucky for clients they can make the decision of what works best for them.

I say, bring the lady to task, hear her side, get a resolution (or not) and let the real issue resolve itself.

You never know- by saying her name you could be doing her a favor

 

[TotallyTouchin]

Lol

Pleazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzze let it end!

NO! I DEMAND 20 PAGES!

 

[uncleg]

Good point..

Well put!

This "rant" is really about two things. The guy was choked and he wrote it but now I think for the good of pooners it may be a prudent idea for him to share the sps name as he has clearly used the board to make his decisions on who to see (share the wealth!!!..even when it's not so great...)....who knows...he could save one of YOU guys from a bad time with no follow-up. I know my bad booking skills have taught me that I am way better off having someone else manage my bookings and I can focus soley on providing awesome service. So sometimes really guys who call you on your "shit" are in fact doing you a favor in the long run if you chose to learn from it.

I would just ask pantsnake if he ever intends to share the sps name or if he just wanted to rant that he had a crappy evening holding his weiner .

All indies book differently...even massage places book differently and l=ucky for clients they can make the decision of what works best for them.

I say, bring the lady to task, hear her side, get a resolution (or not) and let the real issue resolve itself.

You never know- by saying her name you could be doing her a favor

but look what happens when somebody does a rant / bad review of an SP that has been otherwise well reviewed. You had your share of hits for missing appointments and even without you posting your end of it the poster got nailed by the TTT fan club. That seems to be the case for a lot of the popular SP's, they can do no wrong in the eyes of many of the board members. Pantsnake already got stood up, he ranted and hopefully it made him feel better. Why should he also be abused on the board because of having the audacity to speak badly about a "popular" SP ?

 

[Pantsnake]

I never expected my 'Rant' to open such a can of worms. It seems that the opinions on this subject are as varied and unlikely to be settled, as me (the Conservative) and my best friend (the NDP'er) discussing social policy.
As for the identity of the SP, I purposely left that out because I did not wish for this thread to become a pissing match between her and/or her supporters and myself. If that somehow affects the impact of what I had to say for some of you, so be it.
It was soley intended to point out from a pooners point of view, the vast majority of us respect the ladies we see and their time. I know that SP's put up with alot of jerks who don't show but that's an unfortunate negative aspect of the business you chose. In my profession I will often have clients make appointments and then not show up and it cost's me money. That doesn't give me the excuse to treat the other clients I have poorly. We put alot of effort into our visits, to be on time and presentable. I prepare as much as I would for any date or meeting. All I expect is the same courtesy.

BTW, I have noticed that she has recently posted on this board (not this thread) so she is obviously alive but still have not received an explanation from her.

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

Oh gimme a break. Pantsnake simply ranted about a missed appointment. He didn't name the sp; therefore, nobody's being ostracized or strung out. He even later made for an allowance that an extenuating circumstance may have arisen. There's no trial. Civil liberties aren't being trampled. We don't need a march on Washington. Somehow, this thread has been turned into another debate on appointment booking policy and, what a surprise, the discussion is revolving around your own.

Pantsnake ranted about an unconfirmed appointment and not having heard from the SP until recently seeing her post. It is clear in many eyes that a confirmation clarifies whether or not an appointment is to take place. He later made an allowance that extenuating circumstances may have arisen preventing the SP from accepting the confirmation call. Since a SP doesn’t know whether someone will call to confirm, what does a SP have left to do? Have the client make a confirmation call for a confirmation call for the appointment?

In the literal sense, you’re right it is not a trial however this is a review board where people have the abilities to make judgements based on personal opinion and facts. It is the person that reads and posts that make the judgements. Civil liberties are indeed violated as those that have the judgements, including yourself, without hearing from the other side. In this case the SP that didn’t confirm. The SP was called unprofessional and waste of time despite glaring evidence that there wasn’t an appointment since it wasn’t confirmed. Regardless, people were awfully quick to criticize and conclude how rude the SP was, how she balked on her professional responsibilities. All of them ignoring what was said by Pantsnake in the initial post. Would you try and sentence a person to death without having heard from the accused? No. So why is this any different? Every person should be given the opportunity to defend themselves. It is a basic human right that is entitled to everyone, at least here in North America. All this was not what Pantsnake had anticipated all he did was express his frustrations and out came a battle.

Recently I’ve touched on the responsibilities of the reader to weigh in on both sides before spouting off. Some of us have seen 22 pages where all people did was judge without all the information. A SP bound by discretion and respect to the pooner/client not being able to give anymore information out hoping that the jilted would step up. The SP goes down in flames being called all sorts of names and the jilted client regarded as a victim. Is that right to you? Which would you rather be, join the mob at destroying a possibly innocent person or the one that will allow the accused a chance to speak and defend themselves?

Don’t try to pin this as a platform to push my agenda as I don’t have one. I’m not familiar with other SPs booking protocols or methods of business and investments and I don’t make it a point to know. I’m far from exceptional but I can’t speak for anyone else as far as enterprise is concerned and so I speak from my own experience. No selfish motives here.

 

[GoodKat]

Since a SP doesn’t know whether someone will call to confirm, what does a SP have left to do? Have the client make a confirmation call for a confirmation call for the appointment?

She could pick up the phone.

 

[Pantsnake]

I'm not sure why the "confirmation call" has become such a large part of this discussion. If some SP's don't consider an apointment an appointment, until it is confirmed, fine. That's not how I would do it but so be it. Anyway I did exactly as she asked, to call her 1 HOUR prior to our appointment. I again called her thrice more. Given the fact that she was the one giving the instructions I would think she would atleast remember to answer the phone the next day. I could understand if she said to call her and I hadn't or was late getting back to her. You snooze, you lose but I was right on time and she wasn't there to answer the call.

 

[GoodKat]

I wonder how many no shows some ladies get are because they don't answer the confirmation call.

 

[aznboi9]

Pantsnake ranted about an unconfirmed appointment and not having heard from the SP until recently seeing her post. It is clear in many eyes that a confirmation clarifies whether or not an appointment is to take place. He later made an allowance that extenuating circumstances may have arisen preventing the SP from accepting the confirmation call. Since a SP doesn’t know whether someone will call to confirm, what does a SP have left to do? Have the client make a confirmation call for a confirmation call for the appointment?

What in the world are you talking about?

In the literal sense, you’re right it is not a trial however this is a review board where people have the abilities to make judgements based on personal opinion and facts. It is the person that reads and posts that make the judgements. Civil liberties are indeed violated as those that have the judgements, including yourself, without hearing from the other side.

Oh please. Yes, this is not a trial. There is no judge. There is no jury. There isn’t even really an accused. This is a bunch of people speculating and talking about another person while they aren’t present. That’s called gossip. I've never heard of how civil liberties are violated in a sewing circle.

In this case the SP that didn’t confirm. The SP was called unprofessional and waste of time despite glaring evidence that there wasn’t an appointment since it wasn’t confirmed.

No, in your mind and by your standards of practice it wasn’t confirmed; and that's fine. Us normal people see otherwise; and that’s a whole other topic.

Regardless, people were awfully quick to criticize and conclude how rude the SP was, how she balked on her professional responsibilities. All of them ignoring what was said by Pantsnake in the initial post. Would you try and sentence a person to death without having heard from the accused? No. So why is this any different? Every person should be given the opportunity to defend themselves. It is a basic human right that is entitled to everyone, at least here in North America. All this was not what Pantsnake had anticipated all he did was express his frustrations and out came a battle.

Stop being so melodramatic. First, the SP wasn’t even named. Second, people did consider that there was another side of the story. Third, the unnamed SP does have the opportunity to defend herself; so her “human rights” are not being denied. Unless she has no hands, I can’t think of many things that are preventing her from typing a rebuttal.

Recently I’ve touched on the responsibilities of the reader to weigh in on both sides before spouting off. Some of us have seen 22 pages where all people did was judge without all the information. A SP bound by discretion and respect to the pooner/client not being able to give anymore information out hoping that the jilted would step up. The SP goes down in flames being called all sorts of names and the jilted client regarded as a victim. Is that right to you? Which would you rather be, join the mob at destroying a possibly innocent person or the one that will allow the accused a chance to speak and defend themselves?

Oh brother, of course it’s best to withhold judgment whenever possible until all available facts are in. But this hardly the same situation as the SP hasn’t named; nobody going down in flames.

Don’t try to pin this as a platform to push my agenda as I don’t have one. I’m not familiar with other SPs booking protocols or methods of business and investments and I don’t make it a point to know. I’m far from exceptional but I can’t speak for anyone else as far as enterprise is concerned and so I speak from my own experience. No selfish motives here.

I don’t believe you have an agenda either. I’m just saying that you seem to be the middle of these discussions with eye rolling frequency. But you’re free to your opinion.



Even if I think you are wrong.

 

[CalgaryJenn]

For me, a confirmation call is a must. If it's not confirmed, it's a no go. I get about one no-show every 3-4 days. Some guys don't seem to get it. The SP puts everything on hold, gets ready, and waits, and the fuck tard can't take 5 seconds to call and say ,"I can't make it. I saw a cloud that looked like a bunny and I'm too freaked out to carry on." For some reason, they think we are their wives or girlfriends and will freak out on them. I'd rather get a call so I'm not wasting my time. So a confirmation call is yes, a must.
Most guys have the balls to call and cancel. But there are a few who couldn't be bothered, and don't think about the fact that we may have bumped somebody else because we were SUPPOSED to be booked with you. Yeah, no-shows cost US from time to time. Not always, but sometimes. The time you were SUPPOSED to be at the appointment could have been given to somebody else who wanted to see the SP.
If your a pooner who doesn't call to cancel an appointment, GROW SOME BALLS! Would you like it if SP's called you at work and booked bogus appointments every few days?
What was this thread about again? Oh hell, I dunno. My head is all over the place tonight.

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

It's clear you took the high road

I'm not sure why the "confirmation call" has become such a large part of this discussion. If some SP's don't consider an apointment an appointment, until it is confirmed, fine. That's not how I would do it but so be it. Anyway I did exactly as she asked, to call her 1 HOUR prior to our appointment. I again called her thrice more. Given the fact that she was the one giving the instructions I would think she would atleast remember to answer the phone the next day. I could understand if she said to call her and I hadn't or was late getting back to her. You snooze, you lose but I was right on time and she wasn't there to answer the call.

You didn't do anything wrong and at least we now know that she didn't bother to contact you since you posted your rant after seeing her post shortly after your non-appointment.

She could've contacted you even after to tell you what was up...assuming you had no restrictions on return phone calls.

This incident brings up another question on responsibility.

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

I see your point

I followed my instincts, asked a question and discovered some startling info

This is one of those subjects that a clear answer will likely not surface anytime soon but I have only this for you to ponder

I got a call today where a client was going to book his appointment for 4pm. I got dressed as he requested, in a ringleader costume, and he didn't call to confirm resulting in no appointment. Who is in the wrong?

 

[hunsperger]

I followed my instincts, asked a question and discovered some startling info

This is one of those subjects that a clear answer will likely not surface anytime soon but I have only this for you to ponder

I got a call today where a client was going to book his appointment for 4pm. I got dressed as he requested, in a ringleader costume, and he didn't call to confirm resulting in no appointment. Who is in the wrong?

That's easy, you were wrong...

You should have got dressed in the ringleader costume AFTER he confirmed the 4 PM appointment...

It appears you were remiss in not following your own booking policy...

That said, the client was a jerk for wasting your time just as the SP was a jerk for wasting Pantsnake's time...

Moral of story, both clients and SPs can be jerks on occasion...

But as you are so fond of saying, this is like no other industry...

See Very Veronica comments...

Have a nice day CLM...

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

I forgot

My sincerest apologies as I posted in the wee hours of the morn, I had left out some details.

The fellow is a well reputed poster on PERB and on other boards and he had also had given me his phone number to confirm the booking to which I called and got no answer.

Sorry about the missing details. 5 am posting on PERB, one is bound to forget some details. I wanted to be able to follow my example by making sure all the information was given. Sorry.

 

[aznboi9]

I got a call today where a client was going to book his appointment for 4pm. I got dressed as he requested, in a ringleader costume, and he didn't call to confirm resulting in no appointment. Who is in the wrong?

I would say that he was in the wrong, since it is your policy that an appointment doesn't occur without the confirmation call. This is assuming that you made it clear from the beginning of what your policy is.

Jerks are everywhere.

 

[GoodKat]

I would say that he was in the wrong, since it is your policy that an appointment doesn't occur without the confirmation call.

Wouldn't that make her in the wrong since they didn't have an appointment?

 

[aznboi9]

Wouldn't that make her in the wrong since they didn't have an appointment?

LOL, you know what? I don't even know anymore. There must be some circular reasoning in there.


I'm going to be up all night trying to figure that one out!