How important are the following for Women?

[BonerHardBiceps]

That's right!!!! But, back to the point at hand... (I'm assuming this is seeking a LTR)

Face - warm eyes and a friendly smile are important to me. Everything else eventually fades with age but warm eyes are forever, and a friendly smile, even if it likes all it's teeth eventually, will always be cute!
Money- you should make enough money to support me and our children in the manner which I am accustomed to. My children and I should want for much of anything...
Dick size-not important at all, (unless it's the type that you look at and go "OMG ITS SO TINY!!!!" Like in a shockingly deformed 4 year old penis on a grown man and it won't stay in type of way) because I'm pretty tiny myself, not to mention very orally inclined.
Personality-most important... Especially if it includes virtues such as kindness, humor, compassion, intelligence etc...
Height-meh... I think tall guys are sexy, and admittedly they are the ones that catch my eye when I am out. However, personality us still key and I would never not date someone because they were not tall....
I guess nothing physical is of much I trance to me because those things change with. Time, and besides I'm supposed to be the pretty one in this relationship!

brb buying lottery tickets

 

[Elmore]

Not lavish?

3 to 4 clients a week at your rate of $500/hr, $750/1.5hr and $800/2 hr.... hmmm. Let's do the most conservative estimate:
3 clients per week at $500/hr = $1500 per week, or $6000 per month. That's $72,000 per year, net of taxes presumably so a gross income of about $150,000. According to http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/10/25/rank-your-income-where-do-you-stand-compared-to-the-rest-of-canada/ for Canada, the man has to be in the top 2.07% of wage earners. Assuming the lifestyle you lead currently is what you're accustomed to, that's the kind of guy you'll need. Not too modest, is my opinion.

Dude...were you planning to propose? Relax.
Diversity is a good thing...agreed? There is someone for everyone...though some have a smaller pool to choose from.

 

[NoSoundRain]

Not lavish?

3 to 4 clients a week at your rate of $500/hr, $750/1.5hr and $800/2 hr.... hmmm. Let's do the most conservative estimate:
3 clients per week at $500/hr = $1500 per week, or $6000 per month. That's $72,000 per year, net of taxes presumably so a gross income of about $150,000. According to http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/10/25/rank-your-income-where-do-you-stand-compared-to-the-rest-of-canada/ for Canada, the man has to be in the top 2.07% of wage earners. Assuming the lifestyle you lead currently is what you're accustomed to, that's the kind of guy you'll need. Not too modest, is my opinion.

You are such a romantic!! I'm sure all the ladies are blushing...

 

[Elmore]

brb buying lottery tickets

And get that penis pump from inthebum while you're out. :nod:

 

[tokugawa]

Reality check....median family income in Canada is $76,000. Median individual income is $27,600. Richest 10 per cent of individuals are making more than $80,400. And the very rich -- the 272,600 individuals that make up the top 1 per cent -- are all making more than $191,100.

It's nice to be accustomed to a certain life style and to strive for 6 figure salaries but that's not necessarily reality for most people i.e., 80% of the population.

Heather Scoffield, The Canadian Press
Published Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:12AM EDT
Last Updated Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:29PM EDT

OTTAWA -- For all the growing diversity the 2011 census and related surveys have portrayed in Canada, Wednesday's final release reveals a contrasting constant: the richest of the rich in Canada are married, middle-aged white men.

The rest of us are up to our eyeballs in mortgage debt.

Statistics Canada has published the final batch of data from its new and controversial National Household Survey -- the survey meant to stand in for the long-form census scrapped by the Conservatives in 2010. The release was delayed for a month due to a glitch in the agency's formulae.

It shows that the median family income in Canada is $76,000 -- generally higher in the West than the East -- while the median individual income is just $27,600. That means just as many individuals earn less than $27,600 as earn more.

The richest 10 per cent of individuals are making more than $80,400. And the very rich -- the 272,600 individuals that make up the top one per cent -- are all making more than $191,100.

Those people are making an average of $381,300 each, 10 times the average Canadian income of $38,700. The large discrepancy between the median and the average suggests there is a very small percentage of the super-rich.

The portrait of the rich differs starkly from the portrait of Canada in general that has been exposed in previous releases of the census and NHS. Data up till now have shown an increasingly diverse population -- aging, but also multi-racial, open to unconventional family structures, with women making huge strides in the workplace.

The rich, on the other hand, are a throwback to the olden days: overwhelmingly male, between the ages of 45 and 54, almost always married or living in a common-law relationship.

Education clearly pays. Despite recent questioning of the value of university degrees, more than two thirds of the top one per cent had a university degree, compared to 20.9 per cent of the total population. And almost a quarter of those who had a university degree had found a way to work themselves into the top 10 per cent of income earners.

"The high income is really reflective of the old Canada, which is much less diverse," said Doug Norris, chief demographer at Environics Analytics.

But as immigrant populations become more established and as women gain ground in the workplace, the income data will slowly start to reflect the broader diversity of the population, he predicted.

"Over time, I think you'll see that diversity creeping in."

Already, the NHS shows that second-generation immigrants are making far more money than the national median. And ethnic groups that are well-established in Canada, such as Japanese immigrants, are also well above the median.

As for the other end of the spectrum, the bottom 10 per cent of income earners tend to live in cities, especially Montreal. Low-income neighbourhoods are known for their high proportions of visible minorities and recent immigrants, and a preponderance of single parents.

While the national median annual income for a full-time worker is $50,699, the median for a visible-minority worker is just $45,128. For a First Nations full-time worker, the median income is $41,684.

The highest income in Canada is found in the area around Fort McMurray in the Alberta oilsands, where median family income is $186,782.

It's almost impossible, however, to figure out from the data whether income inequality has increased since the last census in 2006. The government agency refuses to discuss history, and the data released on Wednesday were laced with large boxes of warnings not to undertake amateur comparisons.

That's because the NHS data was collected in a voluntary survey that likely has a bias in favour of higher income respondents, while the 2006 census was a mandatory survey with fewer biases. Tables buried in a technical document show some measures of poverty climbing over the past five years, while another set of tables shows it falling.

"In here, we start with the premise we're not doing trends," said Brian Murphy, a special adviser on income for Statistics Canada. "The NHS, to me, is one piece of the puzzle."

Norris crunched some of the numbers himself and adjusted for inflation, finding that median family income climbed by about six per cent nationally between the last census and now. The biggest leap was in the Fort McMurray, where median family income jumped 33 per cent. Families in St. John's saw their median incomes rise 18 per cent over the five years.

Statcan does, however, venture to make some basic historical comparisons when it comes to mortgage debt and home ownership.

The NHS shows that 69 per cent of households in Canada own their home, up only slightly from the 2006 census after a long, historical climb in home ownership.

Canadians have paid a price for their tendency to buy instead of rent.

More than 25.2 per cent of households are spending more than 30 per cent of their income on shelter, surpassing the standard measure for having an affordable home. That's up slightly from 24.9 per cent in 2006.

Of those living in an unaffordable home, 83 per cent of them were saddled with a mortgage.

Overall, 58.6 per cent of homeowners were still paying off their mortgages according to the 2011 survey. That's up from 57.9 per cent in 2006 and 55.2 in 2001. In 1991, it was 51.5 per cent.

Toronto was the most costly city to maintain a home, at $1,366 a month, while Trois-Rivieres, Que., was the cheapest at $697.

Read more: Median family income in Canada is $76,000, Statscan survey shows

 

[felixthecat]

Let's do the most conservative estimate:

Not that I'm endorsing counting somebody's money, but it wasn't the most conservative estimate.

Businesses have costs you know, high-end businesses more so. Using revenue as income estimate doesn't make sense, it should be revenue minus costs.

Where did 150k/year figure came from? 72k/year net is about 95k/year gross in BC (2013), can be less if income is from investments. It's top 7.5% earners. It will filter out some candidates, but I think it's a reasonable goal. We are not talking about average girls here, are we.

In unrelated news, there was a study that money buy happiness to a degree. Above some level (75k/year per household in 2010 US), making more would not increase happiness long term.

 

[normisanas]

Not that I'm endorsing counting somebody's money, but it wasn't the most conservative estimate.

Businesses have costs you know, high-end businesses more so. Using revenue as income estimate doesn't make sense, it should be revenue minus costs.

Where did 150k/year figure came from? 72k/year net is about 95k/year gross in BC (2013), can be less if income is from investments. It's top 7.5% earners. It will filter out some candidates, but I think it's a reasonable goal. We are not talking about average girls here, are we.

In unrelated news, there was a study that money buy happiness to a degree. Above some level (75k/year per household in 2010 US), making more would not increase happiness long term.

Your accountant is a magician if your 95k a year gross is netting you 72k. You're just thinking income tax, right? I wasn't. You can't live life in Canada avoiding all the other taxes and still function.

Anyways, even if we just look at income taxes and ignore all the other obligatory taxes we all pay just to live, putting someone in the top 7.5% of wage earners is not reasonable. Why do I say this? Because the income is not earned in the same manner as the income of an SP, you know what I mean? So can it be deemed a reasonable expectation that is spawned from what one is "accustomed to"? Did you know that the top 10% of wage earners account for 80% of the income? Being in the top 7.5% is being within that top 10%.

As for "business" costs, please do tell us what the business cost of an independant SP are that would change the figure significantly? I'd say the revenue to costs ratio are about 98%. 2% cost is not significant enough to call it cost in the "business" sense of the word.

As for money buying happiness, and not much happiness being bought above 75k/year household income, that I think largely depends on how hard it was to earn the additional income. If it is extremely taxing, then why would someone want the added stress. On the other hand, if it's a pretty easy or passive income, then why the hell not have more money. Having more money is not something people get unhappy over.

Now of course I'm not planning on proposing to C.Parker, but all I've been ranting about is this common thing I've found when it comes to the vagaries of the statement used by such, "what I'm accustomed to", when brought into the harsh light of SP economics in the real world.

 

[CLUB78]

Haha thank you Doll! *smoochies*

I'm going to go ahead and say this as well, it's up to an individual what they require in terms of material wealth. I don't understand why you're being judged because you like money and comfort. It doesn't affect anyone else if you want to marry a rich man over a middle class or poor man. My life will be the same if you marry a rich man.

Plus, I assume you don't have student loans and higher education isn't cheap. I can also guess that maintaining your looks, clothes, ads and business in general isn't cheap, either. The money you make doesn't go as far as people seem to think as a student living in Vancouver. Plus, you've done a lot of outside projects to raise your profile, which raises your fees.

Why be resentful of darling little gentle dove Cami when she is harming no one?

 

[normisanas]

I'm going to go ahead and say this as well, it's up to an individual what they require in terms of material wealth. I don't understand why you're being judged because you like money and comfort. It doesn't affect anyone else if you want to marry a rich man over a middle class or poor man. My life will be the same if you marry a rich man.

Plus, I assume you don't have student loans and higher education isn't cheap. I can also guess that maintaining your looks, clothes, ads and business in general isn't cheap, either. The money you make doesn't go as far as people seem to think as a student living in Vancouver. Plus, you've done a lot of outside projects to raise your profile, which raises your fees.

Why be resentful of darling little gentle dove Cami when she is harming no one?

I don't judge her for her desire to want to have what she's accustomed to, I was just pointing out that what she's accustomed to is likely only serviceable by those in the upper echelons (10%) of income earners.

She clearly needs a very wealthy man, and all the power to her. I by the same token, need a slim sexy attractive and relatively (to me) young female.... and that person would be probably in the 10% of females in Canada. If someone were to say (and they have) that 90% of females under 5'8" weigh about 140 lbs and I shouldn't expect one to be weighing 105 lbs, that's fine. But usually it is accompanied with interesting phrases as, "she'd be unhealthy", or something about shaming women for their bodies, or something about model's bodies being unrealistic, etc. Maybe so, maybe not. Would you stand up for my right for happiness in the same way? Most women would chide me.

You see, the essential difference is that the phrase "what I'm accustomed to" is not usually followed up with real, hard numbers and I suspect because there is some form of denial going on, not wanting to realize what cadre of person and the dollar magnitude of the desire. The wallet and wealth of a man are far more hidden than the apparent beauty of a woman, the double-edged sword of physical beauty.

 

[susi]

boner hard biceps - empty your inbox dude!!

sorry for the interuption you may now return to your orginally scheduled programming.....

 

[ac.brep]

Sex, Looks and Measuring Tapes

That's right!!!! But, back to the point at hand... (I'm assuming this is seeking a LTR)

Face - warm eyes and a friendly smile are important to me. Everything else eventually fades with age but warm eyes are forever, and a friendly smile, even if it likes all it's teeth eventually, will always be cute!
Money- you should make enough money to support me and our children in the manner which I am accustomed to. My children and I should want for much of anything...
Dick size-not important at all, (unless it's the type that you look at and go "OMG ITS SO TINY!!!!" Like in a shockingly deformed 4 year old penis on a grown man and it won't stay in type of way) because I'm pretty tiny myself, not to mention very orally inclined.
Personality-most important... Especially if it includes virtues such as kindness, humor, compassion, intelligence etc...
Height-meh... I think tall guys are sexy, and admittedly they are the ones that catch my eye when I am out. However, personality us still key and I would never not date someone because they were not tall....
I guess nothing physical is of much I trance to me because those things change with. Time, and besides I'm supposed to be the pretty one in this relationship!

Cami, you never cease to impress me. (or am I just impressed with myself in my ability to read character from just a few comments on a forum? lol.)

Warm Eyes and Smile: Ha! You just described the secret weapon of Ron Jeremy. He rivals Bill Clinton in that talent, really.
Money: You echo the ask of any red-blooded woman. Money isn't the be-all end-all, but you worked to get to your position, it's not too much to ask for the same level of effort. I rather feel the same way about physical shape (i better get that four-pack - yes never got to six-pack - from my twenties back. LOL)
Personality: I've got one on mail-order. Really.
Dick size: "It's so tiny"... damn! I hate it when I hear that... just kidding ;-)
Height: Honest and confident. An answer worthy of a steamer full of ha-gow if there ever was one.

"Norma Jean", your insights always light up my day.

 

[1nitestan]

I would love to try this experiment....

 

[VanessaofBC]

I would love to try this experiment....

ha ha ha, when he opened the door to "his" car, that was CLASSIC!!! Honestly, I really like his shirt so I probably would have said yes

 

[emilioa4]

Funny thing about this thread, I've actually had a women in my office approach me very directly and told me that she doesn't care about what I do after work or how big I am down there, but that my position and income was such a turn on for her. Lol I was like there's the door lady see you later lol. I make good money (a little over 310K per year) and I don't brag about it, but this is the first time I've ever had someone do that to me lol.

 

[tokugawa]

Hi tokugawa,

27K looks pretty low so I can only assume that it includes part-timers, seasonal workers and students. I make more than double that but trust me, I’m barely middle class.

Exactly...the middle class is now the working poor. I am very fortunate that my income has allowed me to live the life style that I want but I am well aware how easily that can be lost.

Is Jimmy Carter correct that the middle class are the new poor?
I've become one of the new middle class poor: How one writer is keeping up the illusion of prosperity
Welcome to Middle-Class Poverty— Does Anybody Know the Way Out?

And just out of curiosity, which tokugawa are you and/or which was your favourite?

家康

 

[PlayfulAlex]

snip...I've become one of the new middle class poor: How one writer is keeping up the illusion of prosperity

"For my birthday in August, my little sister gave me cash to settle my newspaper bill. She runs her own IT consultancy and understands the volatile job market — but she’s always been more sensible than me. She made provision for the lean times. How I wish I’d done the same.

Like many women, I’m hopeless when it comes to financial planning. I don’t have a pension or savings. Over the years, I spent money when I had it — and lived on credit when I didn’t. That worked fine when I was earning a regular salary. But this year, for the first time, I couldn’t pay off my monthly Mastercard statement in full. To my horror, I discovered the bill automatically rockets. And, of course, the interest mounts."

Learn from the mistakes of others, dear ladies...

 

[Tugela]

not always true

a good looking guy asking a girl to dance in a club is considered confident

an ugly guy asking the same girl would be considered a "creep"

So which category do you fall in?

The first part of "A" and the second part of "B"?

 

[Tugela]

A couple can do a lot, if they're both taking home $3500 or so per month. Of course, 100k is a great income to aspire to and work towards but it shouldn't have to be a starting income. That target severely restricts the available dating pool. I'd rather that we succeeded in making that income together, being a great team!

If you are talking about young women dating young men the same age as themselves, it is highly unlikely that they are going to be making 6 figures. When they are older they might, but early 20s, no way. 40-60k is a more realistic target for the vast majority of girls in their suitors, unless they are planning on only dating guys significantly older.

 

[Tugela]

Hi tokugawa,

27K looks pretty low so I can only assume that it includes part-timers, seasonal workers and students. I make more than double that but trust me, I’m barely middle class.

And just out of curiosity, which tokugawa are you and/or which was your favourite?

It includes the unemployed and stay at home moms as well. That is why the low end seems so low, but in reality it is a lot higher than that if you only consider people who have real jobs.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

A couple can do a lot, if they're both taking home $3500 or so per month. Of course, 100k is a great income to aspire to and work towards but it shouldn't have to be a starting income. That target severely restricts the available dating pool. I'd rather that we succeeded in making that income together, being a great team!

If you are talking about young women dating young men the same age as themselves, it is highly unlikely that they are going to be making 6 figures. When they are older they might, but early 20s, no way. 40-60k is a more realistic target for the vast majority of girls and their suitors, unless they are planning on only dating guys significantly older.

Yes, that's what I was saying. Even two young professionals, each earning $25 per hour, can have a decent starter lifestyle, if the money is used wisely.

It's not too late to start. My mother had to start from scratch in her mid 40's, put herself through university, bought her first home when she was 49, learned investing on her own and did quite well for herself. My mother was the most tenacious person I've ever known. She had old world european values, you didn't buy what you couldn't afford.

Good for your Mom, I'm sure many of us here can relate! Housing prices in Vancouver though, I dunno about that! But still...