How can you not be scared of STDs?

[vegasdaddy]

to those of you who have been with an SP or even regular, how can you do it? even if you use condom, there will still be skin contact. its not just the SP that im worried about, its the men she's been with. signs might not appear or she just got the infection recently.

maybe im just too careful but how can you not? i do reading on STDs and see pictures of infection in men's privates and even blisters/boils on face and lips. there's no cure to herpes and then i read of guys here doing DATY, DFK, and all sorts of things.... what the? i just wanna know. how can you do it?

i want to be with an escort (for non-sexual activities) but i'm just too scared of STDs. even to shake hands! this is one of the reasons why i haven't been with an SP yet. i can't imagine even being in bed getting CBJ or any action for that matter.

 

[Lesbian Hunter]

to those of you who have been with an SP or even regular, how can you do it? even if you use condom, there will still be skin contact. its not just the SP that im worried about, its the men she's been with. signs might not appear or she just got the infection recently.

maybe im just too careful but how can you not? i do reading on STDs and see pictures of infection in men's privates and even blisters/boils on face and lips. there's no cure to herpes and then i read of guys here doing DATY, DFK, and all sorts of things.... what the? i just wanna know. how can you do it?

i want to be with an escort (for non-sexual activities) but i'm just too scared of STDs. even to shake hands! this is one of the reasons why i haven't been with an SP yet. i can't imagine even being in bed getting CBJ or any action for that matter.

While I appreciate your cautious attitude, I think you're being a little paranoid about the whole thing. We're not dealing with lepers here and I truly believe you have formulated in your mind that SPs are repositories of disease. Nearly every one that I have met in my many years dabbling in this business is clean, and maybe even cleaner, than most women walking along Robson St. (I don't have proof of that but I'll be undertaking a study upon receipt of my government grant.)

I think you have forumated a viewpoint of an SP as someone from the Downtown Eastside that is high on drugs, slovenly with open sores on their body. That is certainly not the case. I don't think anyone on this board would engage in dangerous sexual activities with those ladies because of the possibility of contracting disease.

If you do see an SP in the future, you will find that many of them are in relationships, some are married and nearly all of them make every effort to protect themselves from contracting disease.

If you're afraid of contracting disease then lift a toilet seat in a public washroom, run you rhand along a door handle in a public building, shake hands with someone and ask them if they washed their hands after going to the bathroom.

My advice to you is this: Be cautious. Be careful. Be realistic.

 

[Lady Companion]

Risk tolerence

There is an inherent risk with anything and everything we choose to do. It's up to you to decide where your threshold lies.

For the most part, I honstly feel that professional ladies (those of us who take our business seriously and are here by choice) are far less of a risk than the average girl-next-door.

This is our livlihood and our health. We educate ourselves and take the necessarry precautions. I (and I believe most ladies here) have NEVER had a condom break. I certainly can't say that for my less health educated friends not in the industry. They do silly things like wear lipstick to give a BJ and then wonder why the condom breaks (not realizing that lipstick contains oil which breaks down latex).

Professinal companions always put their (and by default your) safety first. How many times have you heard of a friend being so drunk that they can't remember if they used a condom.....or that they did and it broke. A professional lady doesn't take those kind of chances - and as a result, we tend to be much cleaner and safer than the average girl.

Yes, there is a risk to anything we choose to do. Become educated and make decisions based on facts and within your personal comfort zone.

 

[vegasdaddy]

I was actually thinking more of SPs from Carman Fox. Lovely ladies but reading what guys here do with the SPs, I'm just not comfortable. Anyone can just come in the Den, give the donation and get some action but who knows what they (the clients) have. These beautiful healthy ladies dont know where or what their clients have been to.

 

[vegasdaddy]

see what i mean?

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=70141

 

[pacman1]

You might also want to consider going to place where you can have a hj or bj instead of fs.

There's nothing wrong with being too careful. GFE is not always the gold standard to which a girl needs to be reviewed and compared.

Not only do I not want a GFE service and all the acronyms that go with it, but I do not want to see a provider that offers those things to others. That's the risk tolerance I am comfortable with, I don't need to apologize for it, and neither do you.

This does not mean I think professionals are dirty, diseased or unclean, and it is not meant to be insulting to their profession. Quite the contrary.... I respect their health to the utmost and would never expect them to jeopardize it for an extra hundred bucks, to anybody.

They're also strangers, as am I to them, and I wouldn't expect them to take my health for granted anymore than I should assume their health is perfect. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Why find out?

 

[maxx50]

Sex is dangerous!

Sex with any one is risky. But i think in many cases it is more risky . with a non SP. . Because . they are not as aware of the stds.. and they do not get checked on a regular bases... But they could be just as active with multiple sex partners.. one night stands .. not even knowing who the guy is . and never seeing him again .. Yes that is true for escort also .. but i think there is an awareness in the whole community ..
As for actually recognize any std .. or even hero's .. who know what they are looking for .. unless they have experience with the symptoms .. or know some one that has.
And so many stds have very mild symptoms . that one may not even notice ...
Really the only way to be safe for everyone is get regular checkups.

 

[DaBoneman]

Use a full body condom for ultimate protrction!

 

[InTheBum]

Stick with massages with a blow!

I recommend you either find a new hobby or just get massages with a bj, covered. It's safe, and should be fun if the girl is up your alley...plus it's much cheaper than this 300 fs bullshit...

 

[InTheBum]

Here's a great video on STD's! Check it out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwbO1LRRumI

 

[SeekSteadyRegSP]

to those of you who have been with an SP or even regular, how can you do it? even if you use condom, there will still be skin contact. its not just the SP that im worried about, its the men she's been with. signs might not appear or she just got the infection recently.

maybe im just too careful but how can you not? i do reading on STDs and see pictures of infection in men's privates and even blisters/boils on face and lips. there's no cure to herpes and then i read of guys here doing DATY, DFK, and all sorts of things.... what the? i just wanna know. how can you do it?

i want to be with an escort (for non-sexual activities) but i'm just too scared of STDs. even to shake hands! this is one of the reasons why i haven't been with an SP yet. i can't imagine even being in bed getting CBJ or any action for that matter.

This is pure paranoia!

Anyone of sound mind and with at least average abilities in reading comprehension who has "done reading on STDs" would understand why sex with working girls in the western world is a lot safer than what goes on amongst the populace at the average high school.

Have a look at this link to an STD risk chart and then reconsider your position and at least resolve to put your toes in the water:

http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/sfcityclinic/stdbasics/stdchart.asp

 

[wilde]

I was actually thinking more of SPs from Carman Fox. Lovely ladies but reading what guys here do with the SPs, I'm just not comfortable. Anyone can just come in the Den, give the donation and get some action but who knows what they (the clients) have. These beautiful healthy ladies dont know where or what their clients have been to.

Did you read the small print? To be a client at CF, you need a criminal records check, recent STD testing results, a notarized sworn statement declaring yourself to be single or a notarized statement from your wife giving permissions, a valid drivers license or passport, and a refundable STD free deposit of $$$$$. No, wait. Forgot another rule, mommas boy like yourself needs momma's permission as well.

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[TotallyTouchin]

My opinion

Is that this is a hobby for fun and fun stops when you are truly freaking out the whole time which it sounds like you are VD (so ironic )

I agree with LC about the fact that the true reputable girls are very viligant about testing etc- more so than the girls I personally know who are not in the buisness. It is our job to care about our health and get checkups.

If your're tripping out so much and don't feel like you even want to shake hands with an sp...trust me ....you won't be having fun.

I think that when it stops being fun, you shouldn't do it. Just MHO

 

[pacman1]

Have a look at this link to an STD risk chart and then reconsider your position and at least resolve to put your toes in the water:

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I don't know if that chart is going to make him feel better. It scared the hell outta me, and I'm cautious to begin with!!

I guess with anything risky, you take reasonable precautions. When you drive, you wear a seatbelt. Go in a boat, wear a lifejacket. Ride a bike, wear a helmet. Of course you can ignore taking precautions and not die or get hurt, but it doesn't mean it was a clever choice. Just luck.

Same with this hobby. You can ignore the available precautions and not have a problem. It doesn't make it a clever choice. Its a gamble that you won, that's all. You can also smoke for twenty years and not die of lung cancer. It's a roll of the dice.

I don't begrudge any provider for being the safest she can be, as long as she's nice, sexy, into what she's doing, not rushing me, looks hot, etc. I only see ONE provider every 4-6 weeks, whereas the provider easily sees twenty, thirty, forty different men per month, maybe even more. I don't want to be thinking that she's pushed the safety boundaries with any of them. That's what makes it FUN for me, not having to worry about what she's done with other people that I consider unsafe (daty, dfk, bbbj, etc).

Yes, I know I'm in the minority on this board. I still keep coming back for more abuse

 

[LonelyGhost]

and some skank you meet in a bar is 'safe'????

without exception, every escort i have seen has practised
safe sex ...

you don't want to know how many women i know go out,
get drunk, have sex and don't even know the guy's name
let alone if they used 'protection' ...

i think sex with most escorts is safer than what you will
find at closing in most bars and clubs ...

 

[pacman1]

and some skank you meet in a bar is 'safe'????

I'm not sure where I said strangers in bars are safe. But I don't pick up women in bars (I'm too ugly!), so it doesn't really matter. The thread is about std's and precautions/worries with professionals. The poster asked if we 'worry'. I don't worry because I don't take what I consider to be unnecessary risk (gfe / body fluid exchange).

The original poster is exceptionally worried, to the point of paranoia. As suggested, by myself and others, perhaps he should consider hj's or bj instead.

A stranger is a stranger is a stranger, whether you are giving them money or not. So yes, I agree, that includes 'skanks in bars' (your phrase, not mine).

 

[georgebushmoron]

and some skank you meet in a bar is 'safe'????

without exception, every escort i have seen has practised
safe sex ...

you don't want to know how many women i know go out,
get drunk, have sex and don't even know the guy's name
let alone if they used 'protection' ...

i think sex with most escorts is safer than what you will
find at closing in most bars and clubs ...

I would have to disagree with you. While it is true that some escorts are extremely fastidious when it comes to their sexual health and do regular testing, it is a giant myth bordering on an outright lie that most of them do.

From my experience, a woman who has been selling sex will eventually begin to drop her guard and do riskier and riskier things. One reason is because she will begin to develop the conclusion that as she has had sex with more men than she could have possibly kept track of and has not gotten any symptoms, then she has somehow averted getting a disease. She may begin to believe she is a very good judge of character and implicitly trust her judgement regarding her ability to detect a risky individual. Many women in the business in fact adopt trust of their clients far more easily - believing their stories of how they are of good character yet for various justifiable reasons see the need to buy sex despite the dishonesty that must be enacted upon repeatedly in their private lives. Another reason is that although she may have begun her career as an SP for purely economic reasons, nevertheless, the large sums of easy money make the job particularly attractive that eventually the power and physical sensations overcome her previous moral regard against it. She then begins to enjoy her work, especially if she has steady and nice clients who are good at sex. Eventually, that enjoyment of the sex itself will cause her to drop her safety regimen, as when she has a client who is selfish will only make her vagina irritated and more horny, she will then compulsively seek relief from the next client.

A typical SP fights a constant battle with herself regarding issues of trust, health, discipline in safety, personal borders, sexual temptation, and economic situation and her future. If she has anything but a rock-solid granite like will power, she probably has a highly permissive character that weakens her personal borders or makes them non-existent. Witness how easily many an SP volunteers personal information about her life to a pooner, even if that information is seen to be unverifiable, difficult to act upon, etc. She at the same time will also volunteer personal feelings. That kind of person typically has permissiveness issues that illustrate a weakness in will power to sustain battles with herself regarding health discipline. Those who provide GFE thus are typically giving much of their personal feelings to the customer, and that does not come without a real cost to herself and her ability to differentiate her personal borders and internal person from her job. An SP who likes to give to make customers happy are eventually also enjoying the giving, and eventually the getting. Embattled by internal struggles, she will thus have lost and be won over by money and physical sensations.

To be sure, there is a real truth in what you say about bar girls having unsafe sex. But nevertheless, an SP will likely have sex with a far greater volume of people than any bar girl, and it is that high volume that escalates her onto the slippery slope to disease.

 

[SeekSteadyRegSP]

I don't know if that chart is going to make him feel better. It scared the hell outta me, and I'm cautious to begin with!!

Pacman1, for heaven's sake, did you even read the chart? or the original post?


Had you done so, you'd have seen

"...there's no cure to herpes and then i read of guys here doing DATY, DFK, and all sorts of things.... "

included in his paranoid offerings.

So had you then opted to read the linked chart, you'd have seen that the only "known risk" to "DATY" (= "performing oral sex on a woman", in case that is where you got lost) is "Herpes"... and that it is "rare(ly)" transmitted that way.

Then you would have noted that 75% or more of everyone already has oral herpes anyway, so the reference to DFK is also indicative of paranoia.


My advice to the original poster is to always practice safe sex with the working girls, and if done, that will keep him safer than most high school students keep themselves.

True "adults", whether they're buying or selling sex, are generally responsible, and capable of greatly reducing STD risks.

I do NOT advise the original poster to ever believe that his eyes or his senses could differentiate between a woman who carries an STD and one who doesn't. Letting ones guard down like that is just beckoning trouble.

The original poster need not let his guard down to gain reasonable enjoyment from women who avail themselves sexually in exchange for his money. If he remains fearful, then he should buy some time with an incall provider who seems to have been in the business a long time and then spell-out his concerns to her while they come to a mutual agreement about how they can spend intimate time together. Escorts are used to serving as far more than f*ck toys to sincere gentlemen, and some dialog on this topic is surely invited by any of them, especially when with a sincere and concerned client.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Blahhh Blaah Bla Blah

Well how about that?! Wow! Like, feels like you're actually in my head! I know!....Like, maybe you should, like, be our spokesperson.. or something?!



OMFG. At the risk of having you throw another one of your hissy fits.. I will still say exactly what is on my mind.
*** Please excuse my language. ***

GBM - You are full of shit. Stick to what you know. And just leave things you are clueless about alone...
UGH. Your arrogance never ceases to amaze me, I'll give you that.



Ok I'm done.
Carry on...sorry for the interruption - now back to regular programming.

Thank you.

 

[georgebushmoron]

Well how about that?! Wow! Like, feels like you're actually in my head! I know!....Like, maybe you should, like, be our spokesperson.. or something?!



OMFG. At the risk of having you throw another one of your hissy fits.. I will still say exactly what is on my mind.
*** Please excuse my language. ***

GBM - You are full of shit. Stick to what you know. And just leave things you are clueless about alone...
UGH. Your arrogance never ceases to amaze me, I'll give you that.



Ok I'm done.
Carry on...sorry for the interruption - now back to regular programming.

Thank you.

I guess you just had to take what I said to mean it was all about you, as you have almost all the time in other posts. And you ignored that I spoke of not of all SPs, but of my experience with many. You just might be the "fastidious" kind I also spoke of, which was the exception to majority I have known. Perhaps you should think that my perspective simply does not apply to you, which whatever your reality or situation is, is true.

Nice to know you got annoyed once again tho! Bwah ha hahaha!!!!