Has porn gone too far?

[Gonzofiend]

I want to start out by saying that I in no way believe in censorship of any kind. As long as everyone involved is a consenting adult I don't really care what happens in porn flicks and it should be a choice of the viewer whether or not they want to see certain things, but I find the current trends in porn quite troublesome.

Good ol' Hip in Victoria has caused quite a stir with some of the antics he's shown us, like the gal pissing and the WD-40 cans, but by modern porn standards they pretty tame (and no, Hipster, that is not a challenge to take it further ). What I mean is, compared to the Max Hardcore that stuff is like a Disney movie. The puking, the fisting, the faux-raping, and all of the other things that sick f**k does I find quite non-sexual and definitely not sexy. I admit I do sometimes go to his website (just type "Max Hardcore" into any search engine, I don't want the moral responsibility for actually posting the link ) but I watch his previews more out of a morbid, "Faces of Death" kinda drive rather than a sexual one, you know, like slowing down at a accident.

Then you have the other "GONZO" crap (and no, that's not where I got my name, see thread below) like the fake snuff films (one I read about in Hustler had a group of priests raping a nun and then beheading her in a church). Again, more power to them, but I find it depressing, so much so I really don't rent porn anymore. And the whole sodomy thing has gotten completely out of hand, where like half the movies feature it exclusively.

I know some of you guys are gonna say "Oh, pee while you sit down, you little girl" and the ilk, but I just find the trend disconcerting. I don't hate women, so I wonder about the heterosexuality of someone like Hardcore, as he seems to have a genuine hate for the fairer sex. That's not to say that all greek lovers are questionable in that regard, the anal is just a small part of it.

And for the gals, knowing that his victims, oops, starlets, are probably lucky to get a grand for the shoot, would it even cross your minds to let yourself get humiliated like that? Don't these gals know that they could make as much as an SP in one night in America?

Sorry if this rambled, but I wanted to get the perspective of people who don't have hang-ups about sex in general and won't come from a morality POV of "All porn is bad" garbage. To me, it's more of a matter of taste.

Gonzo

 

[Very Veronica]

bourgeois smut

I think it's in the presentation...although a junkie squatting in an alcove in the downtown eastide taking a piss is not the least bit arousing (we hope)...imagine instead a hot pornstar chick is straddled and releasing her golden stream over a guy masturbating in a big claw foot steamy bathtub...soft light is streaming in the windows and all your favourite porn actresses are wafting around the room touching one another.

Subversive activities can be very sexy.

 

[HankQuinlan]

I agree with Gonzo -- its the humiliation aspect of a lot of porno that I don't understand -- from the "ha ha, we tricked this ho" type of video sites, to the gagging and bukake stuff. Catering to people who seem to hate women just feels wrong.

 

[LonelyGhost]

lots of sick fucks in the world and someone to cater to their every demented desire.

and it is a problem ... one person's idea of smut is another's idea of art ... and any read through history will show that torture and rape and so on were once accepted public spectacles.

now we just get the video.

welcome to humanity ... it makes me wonder sometimes.

 

[tom25]

I'm in total agreement with you gonzofiend. I like porn ... but a lot of this stuff is way past the limits of what I think is sexy and is just degrading.

Tom

 

[dirk_dog]

What is disgusting and dangerous?

Some people would tell you that softcore porn like Playboy is disgusting and dangerous. Others would tell you that hookers are disgusting, dangerous, and contributing to the demise of society.
So do not be so harsh to judge porn just because it does not appeal to you.

I totally agree with you. It gives a very bad image of the porn industry. There should be a different category for this type of crap. If there is any need for cencorship in our society it is those types of movies which are disgusting and dangerous.

JoeBC

 

[HankQuinlan]

But there are limits in civilized societies with freedom of speech --- they are just hard to define. Child pornography, for example, is unacceptable and constitutes criminal behavior -- looking at it and trading in it is just as evil as engaging in it, because it creates the market for the images. But what about child porn that doesn't actually involve real children? Japanese anime often involves these depictions, as does images of of-age women pretending to be schoolgirls. Makes it harder to draw the line (and leads to banning of books/thoughts like the famous example of Nabokov's novel).

Why shouldn't there be limits on depictions of other unacceptable and exploitive behaviour? Getting a crack whore to swallow buckets of cum for a couple of hundred bucks and putting up a movie on the internet is okay? Just because someone has crossed a magic age limit makes it okay to exploit them?

Just questions --- I don't know the answer.

 

[rickoshadows]

Perhaps everyone agrees there should be some kind of limit, but just not where the limit is and who decides. I am perfectly capable of determining my limits, but could not tolerate anyone deciding for me, what those limits are. I think that many of those who call for censorship are looking for someone else to assume the responsibilty for defining what is and isn't acceptabe because they are to afraid to accept the responsibility for themselves.

Having said that, children in our society are a special case, they are protected by law and there are limits on their rights for their own protection. Therefore involving children for porn is and should be illegal. Limiting products of imagination, even if they do involve children is a long stride down the slippery slope.

rickoshadows

 

[Gonzofiend]

Very cool responses everyone, this is the type of debate that I hoped this thread would create. The fact that I occaisonally peruse it means that it serves some kind of primal drive in me, and I understand the whole subversive angle. Again, for the record, I wouldn't censor it or judge others for watching it (I obviously can't do that since I do once in a great while) but what was wrong with watching Ginger Lynn take a good, hard but hate-free fu**ing, except of course for the crappy background music . I actually wanna try Greek some day, well, GIVING that is (and I realize I yelled that, because I wanted to emphasize it-LOL).

This is just one of those IMHO things.

GO SEAHAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gonzo

PS: I actually wanna get a big 'M' tatooed on each cheek of my butt, so that it spells MOM. Then, when I do cartwheels, I'll be saying WOW MOM. Sorry, a lamish joke, but I've always liked it.

 

[Cock Throppled]

As stated - there is a market for anything, including the degrading, violent and illegal stuff. My suggestion is don't look at it. Gonzo - every time you go to max hardcore it's a hit on the site. I choose not to inflict Jackass or the weird porno stuff on myself and simply avoid it.

 

[timec]

Of course the limits are continually pushed and tested – there’s money to be had.

The lame comeback that any kind of censorship is bad doesn’t hold up even around so-called “pseudo-pedophilia” where the actors are of legal age --- because, as HQ states, it creates and feeds the market for the “concept” of sex with minors. But it’s full speed ahead, for Max and his like, since the U.S. Supreme Court struck down Sections 2256(8)(B) and 2256(8)(D) of the Child Pornography Prevention Act. The act previously made it a crime punishable by a minimum of five years in federal prison to include someone who "appears to be" a minor in a sexually-oriented work, or if such work were advertised so as to "convey the impression" that there were minors therein involved in sexual situations. In its decision the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that in order for material to be considered child pornography, it actually must have children in it.

Something’s terribly wrong when the images shift to include cruelty, degradation and determined brutality. Are scenes where an actress is covered in vomit and soaked in urine artistic --- or erotic? Showing the red, raw tubular tunnels of a gaping sphinter – why?

There’s a pervasive element at play as more and more of the so-called extreme or fringe finds its way into the mainstream, to varying degrees. Can you avoid it – entirely?

What’s over the top? Naked girl/girl wrestling – that’s just wrong

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[static]

If you don't like it, change the channel and don't watch it.


I personally love the rough sex vids. I just downloaded Slap Happy Compilation, and I love it.

Will this porn get worse? I certainly hope so.

 

[timec]

If you don't like it, change the channel and don't watch it.


I personally love the rough sex vids. I just downloaded Slap Happy Compilation, and I love it.

Will this porn get worse? I certainly hope so.

Ya, no one wants to get in the way of your ability to be Slap Happy --- just looks a little too musical for me - bwahahaha

But --- hate to repeat myself - "There’s a pervasive element at play as more and more of the so-called extreme or fringe finds its way into the mainstream, to varying degrees. Can you avoid it – entirely?"

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[hardup]

Censorship is WRONG, plain and simple

I agree that a lot of what's out there is just sick, soooo I just don't watch, if it does'nt appeal to me.

If your a parent then be diligent as to what your children are exposed to and remember that we ultimately decide what's out there.

If there's no market for it then no one will make it, easy eh?

 

[static]

BTW, any SP's offer Slap Happy type of encounters?