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"Guys don't wanna get on a plane"...is that true?

tantalizeme

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Funny how things change, and not always for the better.

Over the years, a good buddy and I enjoyed several foursomes with willing hotties. We did this at 3 different micros, but mostly we went to a particular micro that shall remain unnamed. We always told the mamasan we were taking the girls into the same room. She never cared, as long as we paid the going rate of $140/hr for each girl.

The way it worked out, each of us guys would spend the first half of the session with one girl, although there'd be quite a bit of friendly spontaneous cross-touching on the bed.

Then, about 30 or 40 min into the session, we'd do a pussy switch and finish off with the other girl. No micro girl ever objected to this switch; taking an extra cock seems about as trivial, for them, as taking a shit. And they were happy about getting a $40 to $60 tip at the end—plus an additional $40 if we had managed Greek.

But suddenly now, the rules have changed. My buddy was trying to make the usual arrangements and informed me, the mamasan doubled the charge for foursomes, from $280/hr to $560/hr. She now wants the same amount she'd charge if each of us guys did a separate duo.

Well, I respect an SP's or micro's right to charge what the market will bear. But even though I like foursomes for the camaraderie they involve, I'm not willing to spend several days' net income for an hour of play.

So I call up the mamasan, to talk sweet reason and come to a mutually beneficial understanding.

"We're only taking up one hour of each girl's time," I argue. "So why not charge the hourly rate for each girl and let us give them a nice tip for switching?"

My words fall on deaf ears.

"No," the mamasan replies. "Our price for switching is different. You don't need to give the girls a tip—just pay each $280 up-front."

I don't like this idea. First, the requested amount is far in excess of our customary tip; and second, this leaves no leeway for tipping at the end according to the quality of service. So I take another tack, stressing to the mamasan that I had been a faithful regular at her micro for years now.

To no avail—my plea carries no weight at all. Seems like naked greed has overpowered mamasan's business sense. No doubt she sees me as a desperate kinkster from whom she can easily extract maximum cash.

So I pull another arrow from my quiver.

"Look," I say. "We won't go for your girls if you charge so much. We can go to lots of places in Asia and pay 20 or 30 dollars for short-time, or 50 dollars for overnight."

Mamasan is unimpressed.

"Oh I don't worry," she says smugly. "Guys don't wanna get on a plane."

That was the end of our negotiations—and probably the end of foursomes in Vancouver for me, unless we can strike a better deal with one of the other micros.
 

Cock Throppled

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Funny how things change, and not always for the better.

Over the years, a good buddy and I enjoyed several foursomes with willing hotties. We did this at 3 different micros, but mostly we went to a particular micro that shall remain unnamed. We always told the mamasan we were taking the girls into the same room. She never cared, as long as we paid the going rate of $140/hr for each girl.

The way it worked out, each of us guys would spend the first half of the session with one girl, although there'd be quite a bit of friendly spontaneous cross-touching on the bed.

Then, about 30 or 40 min into the session, we'd do a pussy switch and finish off with the other girl. No micro girl ever objected to this switch; taking an extra cock seems about as trivial, for them, as taking a shit. And they were happy about getting a $40 to $60 tip at the end—plus an additional $40 if we had managed Greek.

But suddenly now, the rules have changed. My buddy was trying to make the usual arrangements and informed me, the mamasan doubled the charge for foursomes, from $280/hr to $560/hr. She now wants the same amount she'd charge if each of us guys did a separate duo.

Well, I respect an SP's or micro's right to charge what the market will bear. But even though I like foursomes for the camaraderie they involve, I'm not willing to spend several days' net income for an hour of play.

So I call up the mamasan, to talk sweet reason and come to a mutually beneficial understanding.

"We're only taking up one hour of each girl's time," I argue. "So why not charge the hourly rate for each girl and let us give them a nice tip for switching?"

My words fall on deaf ears.

"No," the mamasan replies. "Our price for switching is different. You don't need to give the girls a tip—just pay each $280 up-front."

I don't like this idea. First, the requested amount is far in excess of our customary tip; and second, this leaves no leeway for tipping at the end according to the quality of service. So I take another tack, stressing to the mamasan that I had been a faithful regular at her micro for years now.

To no avail—my plea carries no weight at all. Seems like naked greed has overpowered mamasan's business sense. No doubt she sees me as a desperate kinkster from whom she can easily extract maximum cash.

So I pull another arrow from my quiver.

"Look," I say. "We won't go for your girls if you charge so much. We can go to lots of places in Asia and pay 20 or 30 dollars for short-time, or 50 dollars for overnight."

Mamasan is unimpressed.

"Oh I don't worry," she says smugly. "Guys don't wanna get on a plane."

That was the end of our negotiations—and probably the end of foursomes in Vancouver for me, unless we can strike a better deal with one of the other micros.
Maybe because it's not all about you? These women aren't your possessions and maybe none of them complained to you, but did to their employer.
Maybe it's not such a fantastic experience for them that it is for you and your buddy. Maybe something else is at play, but you don't make the rules.

If you want to strike a deal and pay a fair price, (not one you think is appropriate), then approach indies and negotiate and see what they'll ask for. Your lack of respect towards sex workers has shown before and is again in this thread. I expect you gravitate towards Asian women because you feel more in control and now, because someone has drawn a line in the sand you feel pissed off.
 

tantalizeme

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Just wanted to share a slice of pooner life with interested brothers.

There can certainly be disagreement about the situation I described, and I'm always interested in differing perspectives.

But can we keep it friendly?

We all share a love of this hobby, though not all of us approach it from an equal basis of financial abundance.
 

yazoo

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Really true. OP complains about an sudden price increase. He gets personal attacks and insults. Why? Because they don't like his chosen venue. Never mind that the people who inhabit that venue, both sides, are happy. The people outside of the venue misunderstand it and crap all over it. We seem to be little different from the Nordic folks. Scorn and disapproval. So the debate continues, alright, and on a pooning board no less. Any wonder that sex is such a hard sell to the general public?
Totally agree.

The abolitionists appear to inhabit this board too, like some volunteer 50 cent army. Complaining about a 100% price hike is in no way exploitive (except towards the pooner).

Bottom line, the micro and their staff have the right to charge whatever they feel the market will bear. And Tant has the right to complain about an arbitrary increase.

Wrapping it up in the flag of exploitation just because you don't like micros is disingenuous.
 

overdone

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Just wanted to share a slice of pooner life with interested brothers.

There can certainly be disagreement about the situation I described, and I'm always interested in differing perspectives.

But can we keep it friendly?
tried that, apparently other "perspectives" aren't really welcomed

love how when people don't receive the expected response to a thread they aren't very adult like about it

don't see anything "unfriendly" about the posts after your first till before this one
 

SFMIKE

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Tant always seems to know what he is talking about, but I think he never thought about it this.

First Tant books two girls for one hour @ 280. Next hour is booked by his "friend" for the same deal. Each guy gets to have two ladies for one hour at the same price. Maggie gets her cut, and the two of them have managed to tie up two of Maggie's girls for a total of two hours.

The only thing Tant is missing is he does not get to share the same bed with his "friend".
 

yazoo

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Maybe I'm missing something... I thought the room, punters and puntees were only tied up for one hour - all at the same time.
 

badbadboy

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So I pull another arrow from my quiver.

"Look," I say. "We won't go for your girls if you charge so much. We can go to lots of places in Asia and pay 20 or 30 dollars for short-time, or 50 dollars for overnight."

Mamasan is unimpressed.

"Oh I don't worry," she says smugly. "Guys don't wanna get on a plane."

That was the end of our negotiations—and probably the end of foursomes in Vancouver for me, unless we can strike a better deal with one of the other micros.
She's right. I don't wanna travel for 24 hours to get laid.

Nothing against what you do Tant. I enjoy reading about your travels to foreign lands in search of the ultimate in hedonism.

Personally, I would never travel some place where the ladies are selling their bodies for such a low price. I know, I know about the average wages in those countries and they are exceptionally well paid compared to the general population. Its my choice not to partake.

The other reason is the corrupt Police Forces who will raid a hotel just for shaking down European or North American travellers. Friends of mine were staying in a hotel or some sort of hostel in Laos and the bartender was openly selling marijuana. They bought some and in the middle of the night the hotel was raided by Police. Coincidence? They had to pay a "fine" of $2000 to be released. At least here in Vancouver my hobby is currently acceptable by Canadian Law.

Having said that, poon on! What are the chances of these AMP ladies doing an outcall and you get a hotel room for you and your buddy?
 

rick hunter

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Funny how things change, and not always for the better.

Over the years, a good buddy and I enjoyed several foursomes with willing hotties. We did this at 3 different micros, but mostly we went to a particular micro that shall remain unnamed. We always told the mamasan we were taking the girls into the same room. She never cared, as long as we paid the going rate of $140/hr for each girl.

The way it worked out, each of us guys would spend the first half of the session with one girl, although there'd be quite a bit of friendly spontaneous cross-touching on the bed.

Then, about 30 or 40 min into the session, we'd do a pussy switch and finish off with the other girl. No micro girl ever objected to this switch; taking an extra cock seems about as trivial, for them, as taking a shit. And they were happy about getting a $40 to $60 tip at the end—plus an additional $40 if we had managed Greek.

But suddenly now, the rules have changed. My buddy was trying to make the usual arrangements and informed me, the mamasan doubled the charge for foursomes, from $280/hr to $560/hr. She now wants the same amount she'd charge if each of us guys did a separate duo.

Well, I respect an SP's or micro's right to charge what the market will bear. But even though I like foursomes for the camaraderie they involve, I'm not willing to spend several days' net income for an hour of play.

So I call up the mamasan, to talk sweet reason and come to a mutually beneficial understanding.

"We're only taking up one hour of each girl's time," I argue. "So why not charge the hourly rate for each girl and let us give them a nice tip for switching?"

My words fall on deaf ears.

"No," the mamasan replies. "Our price for switching is different. You don't need to give the girls a tip—just pay each $280 up-front."

I don't like this idea. First, the requested amount is far in excess of our customary tip; and second, this leaves no leeway for tipping at the end according to the quality of service. So I take another tack, stressing to the mamasan that I had been a faithful regular at her micro for years now.

To no avail—my plea carries no weight at all. Seems like naked greed has overpowered mamasan's business sense. No doubt she sees me as a desperate kinkster from whom she can easily extract maximum cash.

So I pull another arrow from my quiver.

"Look," I say. "We won't go for your girls if you charge so much. We can go to lots of places in Asia and pay 20 or 30 dollars for short-time, or 50 dollars for overnight."

Mamasan is unimpressed.

"Oh I don't worry," she says smugly. "Guys don't wanna get on a plane."

That was the end of our negotiations—and probably the end of foursomes in Vancouver for me, unless we can strike a better deal with one of the other micros.

It's supply and demand, if no one partakes at the higher rate then maybe she will drop it down to a more fair amount?

Complaining that you can get it cheaper in Asia is pointless, we are not in Asia are we?

I went to dinner recently with a friend and had a bowl of pho that cost $9.75, I didn't point out to the waitress that the same bowl of pho in Vietnam would be between $1.50 to $2 and demand that they lower the prices to something that I thought was more reasonable.


Another example would be the prices of lap dances, they cost $50 at No. 5 Orange here in Vancouver. I don't tell the strippers they should only be charging $10 like in Montreal. While I understand Tant's point I'm don't agree with it.
 

yazoo

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And for that reason I DO like getting on the plane.
I'd love to go to VN and have some $1.50 pho. Or Montreal for a $10 lapdance. Or Manilla for a $75 overnighter. Mexico for cheap all-inclusive beach fun. Korea for soju at $1.00 per bottle (It's $10 here).

Which makes me wonder, what's dirt-cheap in Vancouver that makes people travel here to buy? Our ubiquitous dollar stores?

Mamasan is right in a way, though. Even those of us who can get on a plane, can only do it once a year or so.

Traveling to Asia is an eye-opener - as we are used to the exploitive pimp/ho relationship here. In Asia, a good mamasan really works for her girls, not for the customer. When that mamasan is all customer service to you - it is an illusion. She's there for her staff. It is in her own best interest to maximize a girl's income.

This mamasan calculated that Tant would pay more. Despite his grumbling, if he does she was right. If he doesn't, she's cost the business some income, but bumping an ad with a fake JAV star will likely recoup it.
 

tantalizeme

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It's supply and demand, if no one partakes at the higher rate then maybe she will drop it down to a more fair amount?

Complaining that you can get it cheaper in Asia is pointless, we are not in Asia are we?

I went to dinner recently with a friend and had a bowl of pho that cost $9.75, I didn't point out to the waitress that the same bowl of pho in Vietnam would be between $1.50 to $2 and demand that they lower the prices to something that I thought was more reasonable.


Another example would be the prices of lap dances, they cost $50 at No. 5 Orange here in Vancouver. I don't tell the strippers they should only be charging $10 like in Montreal. While I understand Tant's point I'm don't agree with it.
Thanks, Rick, for your input.

You're right: most guys don't like to travel the world in search of erotic pleasure, and married or otherwise attached pooners—probably the majority of us?—couldn't really pull off a secret vacation.

But quite a few of us, who enjoy freedom, did catch the travel bug. We see the world as a global village now, criss-crossed by airplanes. After less than a day's travel, we can be almost anywhere we like. There're lots of budget flights too, and even if the ticket costs about a grand or more, you'd break even on that investment after less than a dozen poons.

Some of us, I suspect, just engage in sporadic tide-us-over trysts locally and save up our real libidinal enthusiasm—and the bulk of our budget—for the next vacation blowout overseas.:)

Of course, increasing globalization means not only pooners visiting places that are more budget-friendly. It also means providers relocating to where earnings are higher. You'll notice, the erotic services market in Vancouver is highly segmented. As a quick scan of ERSlist shows, there're lots of ads for $100/45 min. I get the impression the market for lower-end SPs is pretty soft right now.

In view of this, mamasan's sudden doubling of the cost for a foursome came as a surprise. But I never disputed her right to do so. SPs can ask for the moon, as far as I'm concerned. I'm totally in favor of letting market forces provide any necessary reality check.

And as those who've met me know, my credentials for treating SPs with appreciation and respect are impeccable. I also pride myself on injecting cash where it's often needed the most.
 

clu

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Another example would be the prices of lap dances, they cost $50 at No. 5 Orange here in Vancouver. I don't tell the strippers they should only be charging $10 like in Montreal. While I understand Tant's point I'm don't agree with it.
And speaking of lap dances at the No. 5 if two customers go up with a single dancer and share a single dance, they have to pay $100 same as the new pricing scheme being discussed here.
 

Tugela

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Sounds to me like she found out what they were doing and decided that they were customers she didn't want.
 

tantalizeme

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Sounds to me like she found out what they were doing and decided that they were customers she didn't want.
Interesting possibility—frankly never occurred to me that mamasan's price increase for "switching" might not just be a money grab, but a devious attempt to de-market us.

Perhaps she doesn't like kinksters? Possible, but unlikely. Her micro advertises all sorts of kinky menu items. And we're rather gentle, pleasant souls who seem popular with the girls.

But who can really know what goes on in the recesses of a stressed-out mamasan's mind?

She inflicted somewhat of a blow to my confidence in being one of the world's finest negotiators. Talk about negative reinforcement! Puts a definite damper on my interest in patronizing her outfit any more.
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As brother clu's news flash about the No. 5 Orange pricing scheme highlights, there's certainly one major downside to being a sex-loving guy. It's always "pay, pay, pay."
 

bcneil

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I guess the Mamasan just sees it as a way for guys to get 2 girls at a cost lower than a traditional hour long threesome. This makes her mad, she thinks she is getting ripped off so she makes changes. Double the price seems extreme, I don't really see the point of a foursome, if it would cost me personally the same as just having both to myself in private the entire hour. But yeah, seems like strange business, as really they are making the same off you 2, as if you both just kept your girl with you. Except there is only one room to clean after.
 

uncleg

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Interesting possibility—frankly never occurred to me that mamasan's price increase for "switching" might not just be a money grab, but a devious attempt to de-market us.

Perhaps she doesn't like kinksters? Possible, but unlikely. Her micro advertises all sorts of kinky menu items. And we're rather gentle, pleasant souls who seem popular with the girls.

But who can really know what goes on in the recesses of a stressed-out mamasan's mind?

She inflicted somewhat of a blow to my confidence in being one of the world's finest negotiators. Talk about negative reinforcement! Puts a definite damper on my interest in patronizing her outfit any more.
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As brother clu's news flash about the No. 5 Orange pricing scheme highlights, there's certainly one major downside to being a sex-loving guy. It's always "pay, pay, pay."
 

grusse

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now I've never claimed to be the sharpest axe in the toolshed but I think I'm missing something here?

from what I've read, it seems mamasan would prefer this scenario.....

Tant and a lady use Bedroom A for an hour at $140
Tant's friend&a lady use Bedroom B for an hour at $140

*note..in this case,if a 3rd customer arrives, he waits until a room is available(this is germane to my thinking)

end result is...$280 goes to the micro,each lady has worked an hour, 2 customers are (hopefully) happy

Tant's ideal scenario is for him&his friend&the 2 girls to use Bedroom A for an hour.

if another customer comes along,Bedroom B is available

end result $280 goes to the micro, each girl works an hour, 2 customers DEFINITELY leave happy AND maybe Bedroom B also gets used
so more $ for the micro.

Virtually every mamasan I've met has been a shrewd businesswoman so it surprises me that this one would not try to maximise profit?

I'm basing this on a 3rd girl being on the premises&another customer arriving,but even if that didn't happen, isn't it easier to clean up
one room than two?
$280 still gets exchanged.

now, if either lady is uncomfortable with a 4-some,then it shouldn't happen, but Tant doesn't need to be told that,he's not going to try
to get someone to perform under duress/discomfort.

maybe I'm missing something?wouldn't be the 1st time,lol.
 

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That's what I read too... Should be up to the ladies whether or not they want to accept this date at this rate or not
Maybe I'm missing something... I thought the room, punters and puntees were only tied up for one hour - all at the same time.
 

summerbreeze

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Duo economics always baffle me....

Pay twice as much to cum in a shorter time (added excitement etc) plus a premium.

In the end the girls get more for working less....

If they were business minded they would charge less, turn up the excitement and charge the premium for msog. (And make more money plus differentiate from other competition)

Pooner economics 101
 
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