Gulf Stream Collapse

[masterpoonhunter]

All the climate change scenarios are 'literally' the same as all the disaster movies ever made. Where science is ignored. All of what is happening was all predicted, the causes, potential solutions, the effects. Many years ago. Hell I remember a grade 11 paper I wrote on how pollution was messing up the environment and that was eons ago. If you don't already, get yourself an air conditioner cause the summers are going to get hot and are going to be longer. Governments should be building fleets of water bombers. Coastal cities should be looking at dykes and pump stations. I don't know enough about cloud science but I understand Dubai has been seeding clouds with drones and they have had success with induced rainfall. We need to reset some of the natural cycles as well as harvest carbon from the atmosphere and of course stop pumping GHG into the air.

I can live without my IC car and get an EV, but giving up my gas range and grill ... man I don't know. That's hitting pretty hard ...

 

[Amerix]

I can live without my IC car and get an EV, but giving up my gas range and grill ... man I don't know. That's hitting pretty hard ...

Yeah, I'll get an EV for around-town and commuting once the price comes down some (or a lot). I have off street parking and a big enough service to charge at home, unlike many.

I really like natural gas for cooking though.

The carbon tax will make the heat pump more competitive for heating soon enough. The next water heater will be a heat pump model.

But give up travel? Meat. Bleh. Not to mention all the stuff manufactured overseas that we really just need to stop buying at all.

Anyone who thinks this is a simple transition is delusional.

 

[marsvolta]

my understanding is that 85% of all emissions are still from carbon based power plants. the US is making good ground in bringing down coal fired. nuclear and renewable is the way to go everywhere else. but people need to lean on governments to get this going... which means getting the big guys to adhere to some international agreements.

and people working from home during covid should just stay that way.

 

[Amerix]

my understanding is that 85% of all emissions are still from carbon based power plants.

That is not the case. Actual emissions vary by country, but for the US for instance only 25% of emissions in 2019 were from electricity production.

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions

In Canada nearly half our emissions are from oil and gas extraction and transportation combined, and less than 10% from electricity production (due to plentiful hydro power and nukes).

https://www.canada.ca/en/environmen...ntal-indicators/greenhouse-gas-emissions.html

 

[Bridge]

Drive around on the prairies: lots of empty fields. Too hot and dry to grow, lots of crop failures. No feed or forage for livestock. Fill up your freezer now folks, prices are going way up soon.
If you can grow stuff in your backyard or on a balcony go for it.

The thing that has worried me in the last month or so is that my vegetables/fruit have not done at all well in this heat and lack of rain and this is Southern Vancouver Island! California the breadbasket of the region is hotter and drier and so the amount of water they must be pouring on the crops will be seriously depleting the aquifers.

Luckily the dam that feeds this area was raised some years ago, but ALR use certainly needs to be reviewed so that the lower mainland and Vancouver Island is a little more self sufficient.

 

[marsvolta]

Fuck it, I'm buying a little EV for around town. Used ones aren't that expensive and one can keep an IC for longer trips. Sounds like it's mostly up to the individual to take action or we'll be frying soon. During COVID I got pretty used to enjoying myself at home. People don't really need to travel around as much as they do. It's like some wierd habbit. But seems people are just itching to resume their post COVID lives of jumping in the truck for just about any reason to heat the atmosphere.

 

[frisky business]

. . . there's too many fucking people on the planet. . .

"there's too many people fucking on the planet."

There, I fixed it for you.

There are few, if any, world problems that cannot be traced back to global over population.

 

[MissingOne]

... People don't really need to travel around as much as they do. It's like some wierd habbit. ...

Quite true. I've been happily and profitably occupying myself at home since COVID set in. I haven't been more than 25 kilometers from home since March of 2020. The longest trips have been twice to the COVID testing clinic and twice to get vaccinated. I fill the gas tank on my big gas-guzzler about once every two months.

Now that so many people think the pandemic is over I'm starting to get clients wanting me to travel again. I'm not really keen on it though. The appeal of traffic and airports just isn't there anymore.

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

Bottom line, there's too many fucking people on the planet.

Best thing you can do isn't getting an electric car or solar panels.
The best thing you can do is have one or two children instead of four or five.

I remember back in the 60’s in jr high there was a big push to get people to understand population control and to only reproduce yourself with no more than 2 kids. We were all made aware of this, somewhere along the way this has dropped right off the radar likely because it’s bad for business and the religious community says it’s anti-god. Greater Vancouver has turned into Sardine City and it will continue that way till the Skytrain reaches out to Hope. There was a study that the entire Fraser Valley will eventually be home to 11 Million People, I’m glad I won’t be around to see it!

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

It’s all our fault, here is the newly released study:
https://apnews.com/article/asia-pac...frica-europe-1d89d5183583718ad4ad311fa2ee7d83

 

[marsvolta]

Quite true. I've been happily and profitably occupying myself at home since COVID set in. I haven't been more than 25 kilometers from home since March of 2020. The longest trips have been twice to the COVID testing clinic and twice to get vaccinated. I fill the gas tank on my big gas-guzzler about once every two months.

Now that so many people think the pandemic is over I'm starting to get clients wanting me to travel again. I'm not really keen on it though. The appeal of traffic and airports just isn't there anymore.

yeah, it was expressed in this thread by others... "not if it affects my lifestyle". i get that. it must be human nature. the ability to dream is both a human strength and a weakness that will wipe out the only life in the universe that we know of. because "lifestyle" is a dream. there's a guy in a jungle somewhere who has a new deerskin loincloth saying the same thing. and a guy in the middle of asia with a new brood of chickens and a mud house also thinking about his fabulous "lifestyle". the only "lifestyle" we actually have is the skin we live in. we're all under the same stars. "cooking with gas" as a lifestyle seems to be enough reason to fry the planet.

 

[LLLurkJ2]

Quite true. I've been happily and profitably occupying myself at home since COVID set in. I haven't been more than 25 kilometers from home since March of 2020. The longest trips have been twice to the COVID testing clinic and twice to get vaccinated. I fill the gas tank on my big gas-guzzler about once every two months.

We'll all do the same and become mole people

 

[happycanuck99]

I've been happily and profitably occupying myself at home since COVID set in. I haven't been more than 25 kilometers from home since March of 2020. The longest trips have been twice to the COVID testing clinic and twice to get vaccinated.

To me this sounds like a special kind of hell. I might very well lose the will to live if I couldn't travel! I already feel so confined by the Fraser valley (basically Squamish to Hope) - that's just too small a world for me. But the world is full of different kinds of people, and that's a very good thing.

 

[marsvolta]

and yet people for thousands of years were happy not having traveled farther than the next village. as long as you're doing in a low carbon way... apparently cruises are the worst!

and this bad news just in re the IPCC Sixth report:
The devastating new UN report on climate change, explained

" There’s no going back” — and there’s no room for wishful thinking

the lack of interest by the general public is astounding really. are most people not expecting to be alive 20 years from now? are they making plans to live underground? or is it the usual inability to invest/save today for tomorrow?

 

[marsvolta]

and here's maybe the good news... don't succumb to nihilism!

How to fight climate despair

interestingly... 100 companies account for 70% of all carbon emissions globally:
Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions, study says

 

[LLLurkJ2]

and here's maybe the good news... don't succumb to nihilism!

How to fight climate despair

interestingly... 100 companies account for 70% of all carbon emissions globally:
Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions, study says

I'm going to get ahead of the curve of descent into chaos and canabalism by premptivley eating my neighbours ( out ). If they'll book me.

 

[Corym]

and yet the majority of world keeps going about it's daily business, not a care in the world, until it is too late.

Cory.

 

[westwoody]

the majority of world keeps going about it's daily business, not a care in the world

I bet most people in Van or Toronto could give a shit about wildfires. A few I talked to actually bitched about the bad air quality bothering them but never spared a thought for people losing homes or farms.

 

[80watts]

Back to the original article, and I am not sure of the relationship between the gulf stream (AMOC) and CO2 content in the atmosphere. Is there some type of relationship, then the article should mention it.

1. Refridgerants like R-12 banned to help the ozone layer (which blocks alot of solar radiation on the surface of the earth eg. ultra violet radiation)
2. Gases like CO2 that enable the greenhouse effect. Any thing that burns produces CO2. Also a by product of iron making which is the basis of our society. Burning of fossil fuels produces CO2. Also making/manufacturing anything now has a Carbon footprint on it.
3. Increase in weather related disturbances like tornadoes, hurricanes, flash floods and forest fires due to changing temperatures/climate change.

You are all fucked, but if you are rich, and can afford it, take a ride into space.....

Then you have to return to the earth.