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Government stealing from us so it can promote corporate interests!

Miss*Bijou

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Salmon Confidential is a new film on the government cover up of what is killing BC’s wild salmon. When biologist Alexandra Morton discovers BC’s wild salmon are testing positive for dangerous European salmon viruses associated with salmon farming worldwide, a chain of events is set off by government to suppress the findings. Tracking viruses, Morton moves from courtrooms, into British Columbia’s most remote rivers, Vancouver grocery stores and sushi restaurants. The film documents Morton’s journey as she attempts to overcome government and industry roadblocks thrown in her path and works to bring critical information to the public in time to save BC’s wild salmon.


The film provides surprising insight into the inner workings of government agencies, as well as rare footage of the bureaucrats tasked with managing our fish and the safety of our food supply
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http://www.salmonconfidential.ca/




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What you can do:

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This is truly outrageous : the government and agencies such as the DFO and CFIA are robbing British Columbians, Canadians and not to mention, the entire ecosystem that depends on wild salmon for its very lives, of a natural resource that belongs to them, to us. While they are supposed to be acting based on our best interests, they are also being required to boost and promote the very industry that threatens these natural resource - and in some cases, public health.


There are so many ways our system, our government have shown us it is broken, this is one of the most reprehensible cases IMO. Both DFO and CFIA, whose mandates require them to act with our interests in mind, are evidently also made to prioritize business, markets and trade over health and wildlife. It's so blatant and self serving, its disgusting. I cannot interpret it as anything but absolute contempt and disregard for the public. There are quite a few separate but related issues brought up in the documentary: our food supply, food safety, government transparency and accountability, democracy, government priorities and allegiance, wildlife and ecosystem protection and management, muzzling of scientists - to name only a few.


Anyway, recently a movie documenting all of this and making it much easier than having to pore through all the blog entries, has been posted online. I just finished watching it and it's unbelievable. People really need to watch it and become informed about this. So I'm posting it here and I urge you to watch it and please share it. This is crazy. Seriously. Watch. It.


This woman, Alexandra Morton, is amazing and we truly owe a lot to her, for her effortless, passionate, unrelenting battle for more than a decade. She is doing what the BC and Canadian governments should be doing for us. I am really in awe of her. She's done all the leg work, the hard part and all she needs now is for everyone to get behind her and demand that our government do what's best for people, for wild salmon and for the future of BC. They need to be told whose interests they are expected to look after, which are not foreign owned corporations, big business or industry. This seems to be the new standard for everything these days but it has to stop. Government don't serve corporations and profits do not come before people, wildlife and our environment. At this point, if we do not stop them they will easily sell off and destroy everything that can be sold to the highest bidder.

Enough.


This is her blog for anyone interested in reading about it in more details. It's really interesting and it's loaded with info. There is also a link to a petition:

http://alexandramorton.typepad.com/





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Just an aside..


DFO (Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada) is the very same agency that was directly responsible for dropping the ball and sitting by, doing nothing as cod stocks completely collapsed on the east coast. That was disastrous and still has not recovered - and won't for quite some time, if ever. It was also on their watch that herring was completely overfished and mismanaged. They do not deserve to be trusted and allowed to do nothing again as wild salmon becomes the next victim - taking with it an entire ecosystem that depends on the flagship species in BC.


CFIA (Canadian Food Inspection Agency) is the agency responsible for the safety of our food supply and they have been under fire already more than once in recent years. For example, after the listerosis outbreak that killed 22 people in, they not only admitted to having insufficient numbers of inspectors, in fact not even knowing how many they had. As a result of a report after that crisis (and also from a report by the WSPA, through an FOI request for which only a portion of the documents were provided by the CFIA), it was found that in many cases, the shortage of inspectors meant that administrative staff without appropriate experience as inspectors were put in charge of those duties and sent to processing plants. Inspectors were assigned too many plants that also required them to spend time travelling to and from in order to perform their duties. This resulted in them not being physically present at times they were expected to be overlooking operations and often lead to them coming in after the fact and having only a short time to spend before they needed to move on to the next location. Many other issues concerning the CFIA were cited in the report, most of which have remained unaddressed to this day.


CFIA inspectors remain understaffed. In addition, budget cuts by the Conservative government of Canada have resulted in a reversal and an overall relaxing of laws, essentially handing over responsibility to the plants to monitor and 'investigate' themselves! This obviously puts our health at risk. More recently, during another outbreak that was traced back to XL Foods, which was in such bad shape and found to be guilty of numerous infractions. Hygiene and safety were compromised and several of the plants own employees came forward to blow the whistle, if I remember correctly. CFIA dropped the ball there too.


If that's not reassuring, consider the memo that was discovered:

.. give extra scrutiny to carcasses shipped to Japan, but to ignore visible fecal and intestinal contamination on meat for Canadians.

“Our number 1 priority is to ensure this standard is met with Japan eligible carcasses,” the memo said of the inspection station.

“Ensure that non-Japan-eligible carcasses are not inspected for spinal cord/dura-mater, OCD (other carcass defects) and minor ingesta,” the note continued. “Ignore them.”

The memo -- dated Sept. 12, 2008 -- was sent to CFIA inspection staff at the Brooks, Alta., plant and was re-issued to them again in 2010 and 2011.


Yum yum.


Clearly, the health of Canadian consumers is not very high on the CFIA's list of priorities.
 

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Yes, you are right. The government is running a sinister fiendish plot to destroy an industry that is worth about 10 - 100 times what salmon farms are worth :eek:

Because they want our economy to generate less money, that is what their supporters want.

Umm....ok......

Has it occurred to you that maybe this woman is seeing a whole bunch of stuff that isnt there? The "roadblocks thrown in her path" is code for "they don't agree with her opinion". Some people are just like that - if you don't agree with them that you must be trying to supress the truth (because god knows, it is simply impossible that she might be wrong).

There are lots of independent fishery researchers around who are not bound to anyone, so don't you think it odd that she is one of the few voices in the wilderness?

Just saying. Not like it would be the first time that has ever happened.

The real truth is they don't really know why the fish stocks have crashed (and neither does this woman). If it was one specific thing it could be controlled for readily, but it is probably a combination of a range of subtle factors, and figuring out what that is is not so easy. This is the thing with ecosystems, they are not static, they are constantly changing and evolving, and what was yesterdays norm may well be tomorrows extinction, even though nothing "bad" has happened. 10000 years ago there were no salmon in our rivers. At all. Now there are. But, the globe is warming and shit is still changing. What was stable in the past may not be stable in the future.
 

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Just what does this have to do with the hobby?
Absolutly nothing, just the endless rants of someone with too much time on their hands, an internet connection and a need to always be right.

Too long, don't care, didn't read. The conspiracy of the week is getting a little tiresome. Bijou may have some valid points to offer, but honestly, most of the time, she comes across as so shrill and holier than thou, I can't be bothered to read her posts. Given her politics and her biases, she isn't capable of a dispassionate review of both sides of an issue in any event. It's her side is right and the others are idiots and let me post 9 pages of crap I found on the net to show you why I am right and you are wrong.

As for her business, I can only imagine the impact. It would seem to me that posting lectures about environmental and left wing conspiracies and long winded diatribes is how not to get guys to want to pay money to have sex with you. Based on her posts here in the lounge alone, no way I'd ever consider seeing her, I can't imagine I am alone?
+1
 

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Yes, you are right. The government is running a sinister fiendish plot to destroy an industry that is worth about 10 - 100 times what salmon farms are worth :eek:

Because they want our economy to generate less money, that is what their supporters want.

Umm....ok......

Has it occurred to you that maybe this woman is seeing a whole bunch of stuff that isnt there? The "roadblocks thrown in her path" is code for "they don't agree with her opinion". Some people are just like that - if you don't agree with them that you must be trying to supress the truth (because god knows, it is simply impossible that she might be wrong).

There are lots of independent fishery researchers around who are not bound to anyone, so don't you think it odd that she is one of the few voices in the wilderness?

Just saying. Not like it would be the first time that has ever happened.

The real truth is they don't really know why the fish stocks have crashed (and neither does this woman). If it was one specific thing it could be controlled for readily, but it is probably a combination of a range of subtle factors, and figuring out what that is is not so easy. This is the thing with ecosystems, they are not static, they are constantly changing and evolving, and what was yesterdays norm may well be tomorrows extinction, even though nothing "bad" has happened. 10000 years ago there were no salmon in our rivers. At all. Now there are. But, the globe is warming and shit is still changing. What was stable in the past may not be stable in the future.
+1

I love government conspiracy theorists, not.
 

Miss*Bijou

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A conspiracy theory?

Um, no. Not even close. But you guys would know that if you could read more than one sentence.


lol you guys are hilarious.

Idiots. but hilarious nonetheless. ;)



Of course several scientists concocted this conspiracy theory. Right.
Especially Alexandra Morton, nevermind that she's an expert and has published several papers about this.
It's just a conspiracy.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...parency-is-a-welcome-approach/article9583262/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...undertaken-set-to-begin-in-bc/article9563287/



It's not like government agencies have any history of mismanagement. Oh, that's right of course they do.
But it's just a conspiracy.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=FGJ...EQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=dfo cod collapse&f=false
http://www.bcbusiness.ca/natural-resources/canadas-dfo-managed-to-fail
http://www.cbc.ca/archives/categori...fall-of-the-cod-fishery/to-the-last-fish.html
http://focusonline.ca/?q=node/274
http://www.cjc-online.ca/index.php/journal/article/view/1269/1280
http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~kbell/cod/CORRESP/FOPO2006/Hoc-d_APnoUL.html
http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/b...a-case-of-dj-vu/article626865/?service=mobile


Right.
Just a conspiracy theory.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...t-reported-virus-in-bc-salmon/article5582798/



Of course this is completely new and none of this has already been documented by the media.
Well, it has...but it's still a conspiracy.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...to-listen-before-its-too-late/article5907841/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...uggle-to-save-bcs-wild-salmon/article4102390/




Of course the the government paid over 26 millions for a commission about a conspiracy theory.

http://www.cohencommission.ca/en/


Or not like the commission's conclusions addressed fish farms as a potential threat to will salmon.
Or not like the recommendations included a moratorium on new fish farms and a more cautious approach - among other things.
Right.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/judge-cohens-recipe-for-change/article4911704/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...b-fish-farm-impact-on-sockeye/article4798805/





Too much reading for you? Here's a ctv report from Oct 2012 and then a short video of Justice Cohen speaking about this:



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Yah, okay. Whatever you guys say. But I think I'll start trusting anything you say only when you can manage to read at least a few paragraphs. Until then, I'll just ignore it...mmmmkay.



But go ahead, keep embarrassing yourselves if you want. Or crawl back in your holes. I have no more patience for your ignorant bullshit.
 

Miss*Bijou

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Very well said, that pretty much sums up what I’ve been thinking, “holier than thou” is bang on buddy! :thumb:

Wah wah wah starting to sound like a broken record, you know.


well you could have fooled me since you're both, you know, reading this thread. But wait, you're not actually reading. You're just trolling. And apparently I'm the one with too much time on my hands! lol It seems pretty basic to me: don't like it? Don't read it. But that apparently misses the point for you guys, which is more about trying to alpha roll me or something. lol Get a life. Like I said, if you don't like, then don't read it.


At least I spend that time learning and trying to do something productive unlike you guys.



Just what does this have to do with the hobby?

And what is you point? Have you notice you're in the lounge and most threads are not about the hobby? But thanks for that brilliant contribution.




Here it is again for you little trolls:


"One very common tactic for enforcing political orthodoxies is to malign the character, "style" and even mental health of those who challenge them. "


"This method is applied with particular aggression to those who engage in any meaningful dissent against the society's most powerful factions and their institutions. "


"A subtler version of this technique is to attack the so-called "style" of the critic as a means of impugning, really avoiding, the substance of the critique."


"..barraged with endless, substance-free complaints about his "tone": he is too abrasive, he does not treat opponents with respect, he demonizes those who disagree with him, etc. The complaints are usually devoid of specifics to prevent meaningful refutation."



"All of that enables the substance of the critique to be avoided in lieu of alleged personality flaws."


"..he rationally but aggressively debunks destructive mainstream falsehoods that huge numbers of people are taught to tacitly embrace. But all of that can be, and is, ignored in favor of hating his "style", ridiculing his personality, and smearing him with horrible slurs .."


"But what is at play here is this destructive dynamic that the more one dissents from political orthodoxies, the more personalized, style-focused and substance-free the attacks become. That's because once someone becomes sufficiently critical of establishment pieties, the goal is not merely to dispute their claims but to silence them. That's accomplished by demonizing the person on personality and style .."

http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/23/noam-chomsky-guardian-personality


Of course you can add the very original, petty and manipulative tactic:


As for her business, I can only imagine the impact. It would seem to me that posting lectures about environmental and left wing conspiracies and long winded diatribes is how not to get guys to want to pay money to have sex with you. Based on her posts here in the lounge alone, no way I'd ever consider seeing her, I can't imagine I am alone?



winner! :thumb::thumb:



You should really try to read the vitriol you write and perform your own "dispassionate review of both sides" and tell me how good you feel about yourself. That's assuming you can successfully do that, which I highly doubt.



PS I'm touched that you would be concerned about my business but in case you haven't noticed I've been around for a few years. I think that although you would like to think that being opinionated would be terrible for business and lead to me having to shut up - experience and history have shown otherwise. So you'll have to find another tactic - I'm sure Sarah can help you with that? Since all your repeated attacks on me and obsessive bullying are for her benefit afterall, I'm sure she won't mind helping you.
 

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Too long, don't care, didn't read. The conspiracy of the week is getting a little tiresome. Bijou may have some valid points to offer, but honestly, most of the time, she comes across as so shrill and holier than thou, I can't be bothered to read her posts. Given her politics and her biases, she isn't capable of a dispassionate review of both sides of an issue in any event. It's her side is right and the others are idiots and let me post 9 pages of crap I found on the net to show you why I am right and you are wrong.[/B]

As for her business, I can only imagine the impact. It would seem to me that posting lectures about environmental and left wing conspiracies and long winded diatribes is how not to get guys to want to pay money to have sex with you. Based on her posts here in the lounge alone, no way I'd ever consider seeing her, I can't imagine I am alone?

Alexandrea Morton is the David Suzuki of fish farms. If you believe everything he says you might as well believe everything she does, cause they're both experts who speak nothing but the truth. In Suzuki's world - those who dare to disagree with him should be thown in jail.
 

Miss*Bijou

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Alexandrea Morton is the David Suzuki of fish farms. If you believe everything he says you might as well believe everything she does, cause they're both experts who speak nothing but the truth. In Suzuki's world - those who dare to disagree with him should be thown in jail.

Because she's the only one saying it?

NO. DFO's own scientists are concerned.


LEARN.

TO.

READ.


FFS.
 

Unpossible

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As for her business, I can only imagine the impact. It would seem to me that posting lectures about environmental and left wing conspiracies and long winded diatribes is how not to get guys to want to pay money to have sex with you. Based on her posts here in the lounge alone, no way I'd ever consider seeing her, I can't imagine I am alone?
Yeah, she should just shut up and spread her legs! :rolleyes:
 

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Too long, don't care, didn't read. The conspiracy of the week is getting a little tiresome. Bijou may have some valid points to offer, but honestly, most of the time, she comes across as so shrill and holier than thou, I can't be bothered to read her posts. Given her politics and her biases, she isn't capable of a dispassionate review of both sides of an issue in any event. It's her side is right and the others are idiots and let me post 9 pages of crap I found on the net to show you why I am right and you are wrong.

As for her business, I can only imagine the impact. It would seem to me that posting lectures about environmental and left wing conspiracies and long winded diatribes is how not to get guys to want to pay money to have sex with you. Based on her posts here in the lounge alone, no way I'd ever consider seeing her, I can't imagine I am alone?
+1 to that sentiment especially the last sentence ^....I have her on ignore though so I dont have to read her posts as well as the various propaganda that is attached via her "internet smarts" LOL

SR
 

Miss*Bijou

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+1 to that sentiment especially the last sentence ^....I have her on ignore though so I dont have to read her posts as well as the various propaganda that is attached via her "internet smarts" LOL

SR

haha of course this would not be complete without this troll. Oh but you never replied to my last post, hun. You`re all over posting drivel like this but you suddenly get very quiet when comes time to actually discuss anything. Why don`t you show us how bright you are and put me in my place on the thread you seem to have forgotten about?

Then you might not look so pathetic for posting insults because you got powned again and are just bitter about it.

Here`s the link - Looking forward to all the wisdom I`m sure you`re about to share with me!

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ute-says-ignore-Mulcair-our-air-is-good/page3


Can`t wait!!
 

AA_Train

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I think all those who are giving Miss Bijou a hard time should lay off. She has a right to post what she wants to post, same as we all have. You may find it boring, or left wing drivel or whatever, but a lot of the stuff some of her naysayers post isn't exactly the most scintillating material either. I don't always agree with what she has to say, but I respect her right to say it. As for those who think she is shrill and holier than thou, I met her a few years back and she is actually a pretty sweet person. My only complaint with her posts is sometimes she throws a lot of information at you at once sometimes and its hard to read it all when you are only on PERB for short intervals at a time, as I think a lot of us are. However, I can't fault her for her diligence, as when I was in school I was kind of the same way when I was writing papers. If you don't like what she post, then don't read it.

Keep fighting the good fight, sweetheart :thumb:
 

Tugela

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Of course several scientists concocted this conspiracy theory. Right.
Especially Alexandra Morton, nevermind that she's an expert and has published several papers about this.
It's just a conspiracy.
She is a self appointed expert. Publishing a few papers does not make you an expert, nor does it make you right. There is plenty of stuff published in the literature that is misleading or flat out wrong, just because it is published does make it right.

She has proposed a theory, that is all. But, her theory is not being accepted by other people who are just as expert, if not more so, as her, so therefore in her world, the truth is being "supressed".
 

Tugela

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One of the things I was taught was to judge the message, not the messenger. I don't consider this a left wing conspiracy theory. Anyone with two functioning brain cells should immediately recognize that the way we process food is a recipe for disaster. Whether its salmon farms, chicken or beef, having animals and fish wallow around in their own filth, bacteria and disease, how can that be a good thing. Mother nature knows best. I stay away from farmed salmon. I'll buy wild even if its frozen.

Canada is a sell out country, its not a matter of will we sell out, its how little we ask when we do. We should not be destroying an ecosystem to curry favour with foreign multinationals who don't give two shits about what's being done to the environment. The videos presented are quite compelling.

+1 for miss bijou
News flash: Humans have being eating plants and animals that have been "wallowing around in their own filth" since the dawn of the species, and certainly since the invention of agriculture.

Also, ecosystems cannot be destroyed by any act of man. What happens is that they change. But, they are changing all on their own even without the intervention of man.
 
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