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ddcanz

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J. Lohr Paso Robles Seven Oaks Cab 750ml is $23.99
J. Lohr Paso Robles Hilltop Cab 750ml is $44.99

Plus tax and recling fee.
J Lohr Hilltop is very overpriced for what it delivers, IMO.
The options for solid US Cabs in the 25-35 +/- range are immense- St. Francis, Mondavi, Wente, Rodney Strong to name just a few of the more known and popular Cabs.
Fuck, Behringer Knight's Valley for the same price kicks Hilltop six ways from Sunday.
 

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J Lohr Hilltop is very overpriced for what it delivers, IMO.
The options for solid US Cabs in the 25-35 +/- range are immense- St. Francis, Mondavi, Wente, Rodney Strong to name just a few of the more known and popular Cabs.
Fuck, Behringer Knight's Valley for the same price kicks Hilltop six ways from Sunday.
I think I concur.
 

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I've done this many times from the Costco in Bellingham. Couple of cases of wine at a time, less so with spirits.
It only really makes sense if you don't declare and just bring it through- so not for the faint of heart.
Picking up our allotted 2-3 bottles of decent scotch and brandy at the Duty Free usually covers our sprits needs.
All I can say is you must have a pair of BRASS BALLS to run back to Canada and not declare stuff especially booze.I vividly remember a cross border trip with a friend of mine 26 years ago when 5 of us piled into his VW fastback for a road trip to Bellingham and when we came back and hit the Canadian border it went sideways crazy.....he got pulled to the side and customs agents went over his car with a fine tooth comb.....took out the seats and everything....yet they found nothing.

To this day the guy refuses to go to the USA because of how he felt he was violently abused by the customs agents.....he lives currently in Chilliwack and cross border runs for gasoline as well as basic staples such as milk/cheese etc that are exempt should be a no brainer but he just wont do it.

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Yup- very brassy, so I've been told.
But I declare everything in the vehicle except the booze, unless I have the 48 hour allotment. Never tobacco- and god forbid fireworks, ammo, etc.
Even fruits/vegetables that aren't packaged can be a bitch. and meat unless it is store wrapped and processed. Dairy over $50 is taboo.
We do grocery runs every few weeks faithfully.
Most of my friends that know my antics just shake their heads- but they sure enjoy the wine when I bring it over!
But I treat it like cops at a roadside set up.
If they ask you have you been drinking just say no. Even a single beer. Otherwise you've admitted to drinking/driving.
Same as Customs- just say no- the onus is on them to decide from there. don't give them a reason.
I'll tell you though- I don't ever fuck around with the US guys on the way down.
 

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Now with spirits, outside of distilling your own (which I presume is very costly to set up?) one is pretty much stuck with retail options.
Further to this, anyone have much experience?
I'm sure many have done the whole make home Baileys thing with old whisky casks, and home limoncello with vodka and lemons.
Are there any clubs- similar to Wine and Beer U-brew- where you can experiment with distillation and spirits?
Or is this regulated to the point where it makes no sense?
I briefly looked through some of the licensing and CRA regs. It looked possible without going into great detail.
Anyone with some experience want to chime in?
Or would that just be admitting to hillbilly criminal activity? :)
 

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Further to this, anyone have much experience?
I'm sure many have done the whole make home Baileys thing with old whisky casks, and home limoncello with vodka and lemons.
Are there any clubs- similar to Wine and Beer U-brew- where you can experiment with distillation and spirits?
Or is this regulated to the point where it makes no sense?
I briefly looked through some of the licensing and CRA regs. It looked possible without going into great detail.
Anyone with some experience want to chime in?
Or would that just be admitting to hillbilly criminal activity? :)
Not to promote any hillbilly criminal activity but a permit is required in Canada to distill , store ,or produce, any form of alcohol , to be further processed.
CRA Excise Act 2001,Form L63 is required to be approved before distilling or production of mash to produce alcohol can occur on Canadian soil.
After the permit is obtained it turns into a trial and error science.
When your receiver reaches temperature on say 5 gallons of mash, the first thing to boil off is your poisonous alcohol , at about 1-1/2 cups,....then next is your consumable alcohol ...in 5 gallons you'd get about 3/4 s of a gallon, then your water will boil after that..
It also matters how efficient your copper or stainless condenser is, and if it's cooled by an external source like refrigerant, or flowing water.
It's so simple, even a gapped toothed, cousin loving hillbilly could do it.....hypothetically of course.
But you must apply for the L-63 permit first to keep things above board.....selling it is an entirely different matter, and must be controlled by the Government...or so I've heard.

As a matter of fact, a quart of 70% can be distilled from a mixture of 5 gallons water , 2 lbs. sugar, and a 1/3 pound Brewers yeast.....it tastes like shit, but it's alcohol ....or so I've heard.
 

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.....and one more thing.....the poisonous alcohol ,referred in the industry as " wood alcohol " is used in industrial, and medical applications, for sanitizing ,and sterilizing. ...as is the consumable alcohol as well, but the profits are higher if sold as a drinkable product.
I believe even an industrial producer must still have an approved L-63 permit, but they fall differently under the distribution act....and are not taxed as such.
Although that may change, as an awful lot of downtown east side residents get hammered after stealing hand sanitizer ...off the hospital walls.
 

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As a matter of fact, a quart of 70% can be distilled from a mixture of 5 gallons water , 2 lbs. sugar, and a 1/3 pound Brewers yeast.....it tastes like shit, but it's alcohol ....or so I've heard.
You would think then that it's just easier to buy cheap rotgut- some of that Alberta Premium garbage for instance- and save the time and effort?
But for those with the inclination to put in said effort, I'm sure one could really work up something special- using different herbs, aromatics and the like beyond the typical grains.
It would be more of a hobby, where the expense becomes secondary to the enjoyment of the craft.
 

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...But you must apply for the L-63 permit first to keep things above board.....selling it is an entirely different matter, and must be controlled by the Government...or so I've heard.
So distilling for personal consumption- and not just industrial or commercial use- is OK with a legally approved permit?
 

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.....and one more thing.....the poisonous alcohol ,referred in the industry as " wood alcohol " is used in industrial, and medical applications, for sanitizing ,and sterilizing. ...as is the consumable alcohol as well, but the profits are higher if sold as a drinkable product.
Not to confuse "wood alcohol" with "barrel aged".
Although IMO, some of that Double Wood Balvenie single malt tastes close to my perception of wood alcohol.
 

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So distilling for personal consumption- and not just industrial or commercial use- is OK with a legally approved permit?
Yes....although they will try to find any excuse not to give it to you....and just like legal pot outfits there is a production quota, if exceeded....is thrown out the "Back Door".
 

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Not to confuse "wood alcohol" with "barrel aged".
Although IMO, some of that Double Wood Balvenie single malt tastes close to my perception of wood alcohol.
There is the key question.....most people starting out will avoid grains, as the wood alcohol that the mash produces is greater....so in laymans terms, if you use fruits of any kind , you are simply distilling wine.
So your mash, before its boiled is already a consumable product, with a low volume of poisons......which is why some wines produce that bitchin' hangover.....and is why you pick up the "taste" of apricots, cherries or berries...The Germans call it Shcnapps....North Americans call it Moonshine.
The grains have almost no taste, and in the commercial distilleries in Canada, we use predominately unsprouted wheat.
Sprouted wheat is the " malt" in some whiskies, particularly in Ireland and Scotland.
Even Grey Goose uses wheat, but it's charcoal filtered three times, which is another process to purify.
Using a Hydrometer, that costs about 45 bucks the alcohol amount is measured.....actually the water level is measured, and then it's cut down with distilled water to acquire the desired " proof" or percentage, also regulated by the government.

Aging in oak is a whiskey method,it is almost characterless in body when it comes out of the still, using sprouted or unsprouted grains....it is basically just Vodka....and ready to take on the aromas and infusions of aged or charred oak....
The evaporation over the years is a loss through the wood, over time, and referred to as the " Angels Kiss"
Whiskey is something I know very little about....other than drinking it in large amounts.

All of the above info I have provided is just acquired useless knowledge, and in no way should be viewed as a guideline....distillation is an art form taking years of experience, as well as trial and error methods...and an L-63 Excise Tax permit should always be obtained from CRA.
 
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Yup- very brassy, so I've been told.
But I declare everything in the vehicle except the booze, unless I have the 48 hour allotment. Never tobacco- and god forbid fireworks, ammo, etc.
Even fruits/vegetables that aren't packaged can be a bitch. and meat unless it is store wrapped and processed. Dairy over $50 is taboo.
We do grocery runs every few weeks faithfully.
Most of my friends that know my antics just shake their heads- but they sure enjoy the wine when I bring it over!
But I treat it like cops at a roadside set up.
If they ask you have you been drinking just say no. Even a single beer. Otherwise you've admitted to drinking/driving.
Same as Customs- just say no- the onus is on them to decide from there. don't give them a reason.
I'll tell you though- I don't ever fuck around with the US guys on the way down.
Pretty good idea for the last sentence considering when you are going through US customs you are on USA soil and you have no rights.....tried to tell that to my ex wife and the stupid bitch just did not get it and she got yappier and made the situation worse.

I also had another experience with that....I was to take a friend of a friend down to Bellingham from Abbottsford and he was one of those longhair types.We get to the border and all he has is a photocopy of his BC ID...he gets refused...try the crossing near Langley and it is the same thing....he then hangs the blame on me because he was refused entry into the USA.....and the guy had the nerve to get uppity with the USA customs agents whilst in MY car as a passenger.

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Not to promote any hillbilly criminal activity but a permit is required in Canada to distill , store ,or produce, any form of alcohol , to be further processed.
CRA Excise Act 2001,Form L63 is required to be approved before distilling or production of mash to produce alcohol can occur on Canadian soil.
After the permit is obtained it turns into a trial and error science.
When your receiver reaches temperature on say 5 gallons of mash, the first thing to boil off is your poisonous alcohol , at about 1-1/2 cups,....then next is your consumable alcohol ...in 5 gallons you'd get about 3/4 s of a gallon, then your water will boil after that..
It also matters how efficient your copper or stainless condenser is, and if it's cooled by an external source like refrigerant, or flowing water.
It's so simple, even a gapped toothed, cousin loving hillbilly could do it.....hypothetically of course.
But you must apply for the L-63 permit first to keep things above board.....selling it is an entirely different matter, and must be controlled by the Government...or so I've heard.

As a matter of fact, a quart of 70% can be distilled from a mixture of 5 gallons water , 2 lbs. sugar, and a 1/3 pound Brewers yeast.....it tastes like shit, but it's alcohol ....or so I've heard.
Hmm and I was just considering building a new still today, this ain't Kentucky!
 
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