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Miss Hunter

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It's great that she got clean but he seems really controlling. "I spent the first three months hating this man." Admitted Fabaine. "He would not leave me alone. If he gave me money to buy bread, he would come with me."

^^that type of clingy, controlling behaviour is alarming, to put it mildly. I'll bet things would get really nasty if she ever tried to leave him...
 

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When someone actually cares, they don't try to control your every move. They are supportive of you doing better, but they give you the freedom to trip and fall a few times before you get it right.
 

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When someone actually cares, they don't try to control your every move. They are supportive of you doing better, but they give you the freedom to trip and fall a few times before you get it right.
If she is a harsh druggie all she would really want is more dope and he knew that so he likely figured he would not let her go down that rabbit hole. What happened seemed to work and she is much better off now than ever before, looks like things worked out. The odds were really against them too so it’s quite a miracle really.
 

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When someone actually cares, they don't try to control your every move. They are supportive of you doing better, but they give you the freedom to trip and fall a few times before you get it right.
Maybe under normal circumstances, but this was heavy user, and if you've ever dealt with addicts who have been taken from their user/supplier "friends", you'll know that isolating them from those influences is necessary. She'd have gone instantly back to using.

It's one of the things wrong with the downtown east side endless circle of despair. Everything is geared towards keeping addicts addicted and allowing them to decide their fate. We see the results of that. The DES is getting worse by the day, fentanyl is killing people every day, but hey, they've got supportive shooting galleries, so what's the prob?
 

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If she is a harsh druggie all she would really want is more dope and he knew that so he likely figured he would not let her go down that rabbit hole. What happened seemed to work and she is much better off now than ever before, looks like things worked out. The odds were really against them too so it’s quite a miracle really.
Maybe under normal circumstances, but this was heavy user, and if you've ever dealt with addicts who have been taken from their user/supplier "friends", you'll know that isolating them from those influences is necessary. She'd have gone instantly back to using.

It's one of the things wrong with the downtown east side endless circle of despair. Everything is geared towards keeping addicts addicted and allowing them to decide their fate. We see the results of that. The DES is getting worse by the day, fentanyl is killing people every day, but hey, they've got supportive shooting galleries, so what's the prob?
So it's perfectly ok for a client to keep a drug addicted sp hostage, with her hating him for an entire year? This story is so unbelievably fucked up...
The poor woman had a traumatic past and some "good guy" save-a-hoe swoops in and "saves'' her...by controlling her for an entire year until she "falls in love" with him.

Yep sounds like quite the romantic true love story to me... :love::twitch:
 

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Even though she was an addict it still didn't give him the right to swoop in and take control of her life without her consent.

I've dealt with a few of these controlling save-a-hoe's in my time. Each one became a bloody fucking nightmare. Even if there wan't something to save me from, they created a problem to try to convince me and everyone around me I had.

Some of these self proclaimed saviours continue to attempt to inflict damage onto my life years later. all the while professing to anyone that with listen to their pathological liar yaps that they actually care.

“Heroes and psychopaths are twigs off the same branch” I don’t recall atm where exactly this quote is from, but I learned it in a first year class. It’s stuck in my mind ever since.
 

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So it's perfectly ok for a client to keep a drug addicted sp hostage, with her hating him for an entire year? This story is so unbelievably fucked up...
The poor woman had a traumatic past and some "good guy" save-a-hoe swoops in and "saves'' her...by controlling her for an entire year until she "falls in love" with him.

Yep sounds like quite the romantic true love story to me... :love::twitch:
You're really projecting.

Nothing in the story said he did anything close to keeping her "hostage", and addicts often hate anyone who prevents them from continuing in their addictive lifestyle.

I can project, too and say he not only helped her straighten out, but saved her life.

That might not be as important to you as letting her do whatever she wanted, but she seems to have a different perspective.
 

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You're really projecting.

Nothing in the story said he did anything close to keeping her "hostage", and addicts often hate anyone who prevents them from continuing in their addictive lifestyle.

I can project, too and say he not only helped her straighten out, but saved her life.

That might not be as important to you as letting her do whatever she wanted, but she seems to have a different perspective.
He did it by force. She said she hated him for the first three months, it took an entire year for her to begin to care for him. She was a grown woman who wasn't even allowed to go to the store to buy bread on her own.

Even though she got clean, it still doesn't give any man the right to treat a woman that way. Doesn't matter if she's an addict or not.

Addicts are fully capable of getting clean when they are ready to, by their own choice.
 

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He did it by force. She said she hated him for the first three months, it took an entire year for her to begin to care for him. She was a grown woman who wasn't even allowed to go to the store to buy bread on her own.

Even though she got clean, it still doesn't give any man the right to treat a woman that way. Doesn't matter if she's an addict or not.

Addicts are fully capable of getting clean when they are ready to, by their own choice.
Quit twisting the story to fit your agenda. "He took her in", to save her and protect her.

She said she had not slept for almost 20 days when Ney found her, taking her to his hotel where she "slept for an entire week".

You'd never have heard about her if he hadn't stepped in, because she'd most likely be long dead.

We have record fentanyl deaths due to a policy of .." Addicts are fully capable of getting clean when they are ready to, by their own choice."

But do-gooders seem more interested in the rights of addicts, than actually trying to save their lives.

It's become a full-time industry on the DES.
 

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Addicts are not capable of rational decisions, most would be helped by forcible removal and confinement to a detox program. It would have to have a lot of resources that would be able to supply long term options for success and it would take years. The John Volken setup in Surrey is such a place and Ive spoken with the participants who work at the Price Pro. This place has never been full, they recruit addicts from all over the world and its a free program. Seems addicts do not want to commit the time it takes to really get clean.
https://www.volken.org
 

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Addicts are not capable of rational decisions, most would be helped by forcible removal and confinement to a detox program. It would have to have a lot of resources that would be able to supply long term options for success and it would take years. The John Volken setup in Surrey is such a place and Ive spoken with the participants who work at the Price Pro. This place has never been full, they recruit addicts from all over the world and its a free program. Seems addicts do not want to commit the time it takes to really get clean.
https://www.volken.org
The program is two years in length and requires a one-time intake fee of $5,000. After that, the program is free.
Plus, the participants work full-time for no wages!
 
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