God does not sin {miss the mark, Hebrew}

[lenny]

God does not sin {miss the mark, Hebrew} when he causes man
to sin, because it is for a good end.

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[HankQuinlan]

wtf is this supposed to be about??? rather cryptic, I'd say.

If you don't exist, you can't sin.

 

[westcoast555]

no it isn't

God does not sin {miss the mark, Hebrew} when he causes man
to sin, because it is for a good end.

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you're talking a pile of shit

 

[LightBearer]

wtf is this supposed to be about??? rather cryptic, I'd say.

If you don't exist, you can't sin.

God exists. Just that the religious god isnt the same God that created the universe. The Grand Architect. Religion is a mix of astrology and the sumerian creation story. Judaism is Cannanite(saturnalian)+Egyptian+Astrology(age of the ram) which is why there are pics and statues of Moses with horns, and they use the sherpa, looks like a rams horn. And on and on.....

 

[Oldfart]

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

Is God both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

Is He neither able or willing?
Then why call him God?

Epicurus 341 –271 BCE

 

[HankQuinlan]

God exists. Just that the religious god isnt the same God that created the universe. The Grand Architect. Religion is a mix of astrology and the sumerian creation story. Judaism is Cannanite(saturnalian)+Egyptian+Astrology(age of the ram) which is why there are pics and statues of Moses with horns, and they use the sherpa, looks like a rams horn. And on and on.....

And yet more clarity from LB. He also knows what god is, too, but where is the link to some internet site to 'prove' his claim?

'Religious god'? = a god who believes in god? (as opposed to Judeo-Christian-Islamic god, which is probably what he meant).

'Sherpa' = Himalayan ethnic group; mountain guides from that group.

Does 'The Grand Architect' have proof that steel buildings can't fall down? Is he a member of a truther architect/engineer group?

If you agree automatically with Alex Jones (the conspiracy guy you trust completely), why aren't you also a Christian fundamentalist? Is he actually WRONG about something? How do you choose when to think for yourself? Have you come up with a new religion? Are you actually a Freemason? (they use the term "great architect" to refer to god). Aren't Masons mixed up in the whole world domination thing? Are you a Satanist? (your board handle would indicate this). Alex Jones won't want you coming to his websites anymore if you are found out....

 

[LightBearer]

And yet more clarity from LB. He also knows what god is, too, but where is the link to some internet site to 'prove' his claim?

'Religious god'? = a god who believes in god? (as opposed to Judeo-Christian-Islamic god, which is probably what he meant).

'Sherpa' = Himalayan ethnic group; mountain guides from that group.

Does 'The Grand Architect' have proof that steel buildings can't fall down? Is he a member of a truther architect/engineer group?

If you agree automatically with Alex Jones (the conspiracy guy you trust completely), why aren't you also a Christian fundamentalist? Is he actually WRONG about something? How do you choose when to think for yourself? Have you come up with a new religion? Are you actually a Freemason? (they use the term "great architect" to refer to god). Aren't Masons mixed up in the whole world domination thing? Are you a Satanist? (your board handle would indicate this). Alex Jones won't want you coming to his websites anymore if you are found out....

I go with this thing called FACTS you brain dead tool.
And I meant Shofar, not Sherpa....

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?do...2eqwPkpZCBBg&q=pharmacratic+inquisition&hl=en

Steel buildings dont collapse AT FREE FALL SPEEDS. You always leave that part out. FREE FALL SPEED FREE FALL SPEED FREE FALL SPEED FREE FALL SPEED. Why dont you show us some examples or proof that steel frame buildings turn into dust, from fires. WTC7.
Until then you go fuck off, ok?

 

[Purrr VertIcal]

Say it in your best parrot voice and it not only is flippin' hilarious,
it makes a great point:

"RhhhhAAAAt - 'Free-fall speeds, freeeefaLLL sppeeds, rHhHhHaaaaT!"
RhhhhAAAAt - nine-eleven - (*insert parrot whistle sound here*)- RhhhhAAAAt - nine-one0ne..."

..."RhhhhAAAAt - God is a dyslexic dog, RhhhhAAAAt"

 

[Quarter Mile'r]

I need a beer. May I suggest the rest of you do the same?

Religion.....shakin' head.......


Thank god for beer!!




................QM'r

 

[LightBearer]

47 stories gone in 6 seconds is free fall speed. I'm sorry your having a hard time dealing with the real world. Small fires and no sprinklers?
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?do...=vVtNStH4Fo6OrQOrr_zDBg&q=wtc7+collapse&hl=en

 

[HankQuinlan]

I need a beer. May I suggest the rest of you do the same?

Religion.....shakin' head.......

Thank god for beer!!

................QM'r

Sorry. Sometimes I just want to poke it with a stick to see what it does. Sorry again; I am ashamed of myself.

 

[LightBearer]

And your pride keeps you from seeing the truth. If Alex Jones was lying about say cancer viruses in vaccines how long would he be on air before beeing sued into the next universe? Unless its true.

 

[HankQuinlan]

And your pride keeps you from seeing the truth. If Alex Jones was lying about say cancer viruses in vaccines how long would he be on air before beeing sued into the next universe? Unless its true.

...and the Great Architect will sue his ass into the next universe if he's lying about god. Is he lying about god? I still want to know if he's wrong about something ...

 

[Evolve]

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

Indeed - if he were not omnipotent then he would not be God, eh?

Is he able but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

Not true. Constant interference from God in our lives would be to effectively remove our free will. That would be malevolence.

Is God both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

Evil comes from man. We are free to choose good or evil. Some chose evil.

Is He neither able or willing?
Then why call him God?

Epicurus 341 –271 BCE

Agreed, he would not be God.

Easy stuff! Does this Epicurus guy have any tough ones?

P.S. - I am an agnostic. I just enjoy debate.

 

[Im Cuming]

I m a Catholic / Greek Orthodox Jew, practicing Islam!
Sometimes, i m a hypocrite!

 

[westcoast555]

He could have made us good..

Not true. Constant interference from God in our lives would be to effectively remove our free will. That would be malevolence.


Evil comes from man. We are free to choose good or evil. Some chose evil.


P.S. - I am an agnostic. I just enjoy debate.

And you're begging the question... first of all if he'd made us good, he wouldn't have to interfere. Also if he were to interfere with our free will that doesn't make him malevolent. You're making an assumption.

If evil comes from man and god created everything it's his fault - hence the malevolence

Epicurus' arguments are valid and essentiall unanswerable. To think that a perfect, all-knowing and all powerful benevolent god created our fucked up world - you have to be a bit of an airhead.

Epicurus just points it out with deductive reasoning.

 

[Evolve]

And you're begging the question... first of all if he'd made us good, he wouldn't have to interfere. Also if he were to interfere with our free will that doesn't make him malevolent. You're making an assumption.

If evil comes from man and god created everything it's his fault - hence the malevolence

Epicurus' arguments are valid and essentiall unanswerable. To think that a perfect, all-knowing and all powerful benevolent god created our fucked up world - you have to be a bit of an airhead.

Epicurus just points it out with deductive reasoning.

Oh, no, I think if God exists, he created the world for his entertainment. It's gotta be boring being almighty.
Thus why free will would be so important. It's not entertaining if you are controlling every little aspect of existence. Just set up the rules and see what happens.
That wouldn't necessarily make him malevolent or benevolent.
If you want to pull the Bible apart in this manner, he already tried making a "good" group of folks, called angels - boring! (with one notable exception)
As far as interfering with free will being malevolent, it all depends on your definition of malevolent. I am a Libertarian, so naturally, I see interference with my free will as malevolent. So, I'm not making an assumption. I'm defining malevolence on my own terms.
I don't agree about everything being God's fault. He created the POSSIBILITY for us to do good and evil. It is up to man (with his free will) to choose good or evil.
Frankly, for benevolence and malevolence to both exist in a world created by God (as he is typically defined), then he himself must be capable of them. That is self-evident. So even postulating that God is pure benevolence is rather silly.
Not being purely benevolent does not make one malevolent. Not by my definition anyway.

You are correct though, they really are unanswerable. You would need to make a wild claim about knowing the mind of God, as I did above. They are definitely not an answer unto themselves. They are certainly not proof of God's non-existence.

 

[maroonedsailor]

Werner von Braun (you know - the guy who put us on the moon) is on record as saying "of course there is a God - there must be. My evidence is that for all my accomplishments I have yet to CREATE a single blade of grass".

Humans manipulate what IS - we create nothing.

 

[lenny]

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able but not willing?
Then he is malevolent."

The answer is:

A. He cannot do the impossible, or

B. Both A and C, or

C. He is not omnipotent.

For example He cannot cause history that has occured to have not occured.
He cannot make non historical the "disappearance" of my post {similar to
this one} that was immediately after yours in this thread.

Is God both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

Evil, sin, demons, angels, all is from the benevolent Creator Who is Love
and works all things together for good that He may be the Saviour of all.

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

"Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."

"...to reconcile all to Him...whether on the earth, or in the heavens."

"And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him."

Is He neither able or willing?
Then why call him God?

Epicurus 341 –271 BCE

He is willing. Ultimately sin and evil will be gone when they are no longer
of any use, and God will be "All in all" (1 Corinthians 15:28}.

"And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever." {Revelation 5:13}.

 

[lenny]

God exists. Just that the religious god isnt the same God that created the universe. The Grand Architect.

Religions and religious folk are usually God's worst enemies.

For example belief systems that claim He will torture most of humanity
for billions of years, and then it will have only just begun.

Those who have been abused by such religions should read this...


http://www.concordant.org/expohtml/TheProblemOfEvil/index.html

http://www.tentmaker.org/