God cop beats up motorist

[Thatotherguy]

Leaked could have done many things differently to avoid the beating but he shouldn’t have had to. He posed no threat to Jackson at any point in time throughout the incident. Jackson should have escalated the intensity of his demands much slower. Police should use only as much force as is necessary to affect a lawful arrest. Jackson went overboard – it’s as simple as that.

Is anyone disagreeing with that? I know I specifically said that he still shouldn't have been punched. Realistically though, he contributed to the situation. Obviously not nearly as much as the cop did. The vast majority of the blame clearly goes to the cop, but the entire situation probably would have been avoided if Leaked had just gotten out of the car when he was asked to do so.

 

[sunnysideup]

I don't buy it

Is anyone disagreeing with that? I know I specifically said that he still shouldn't have been punched. Realistically though, he contributed to the situation. Obviously not nearly as much as the cop did. The vast majority of the blame clearly goes to the cop, but the entire situation probably would have been avoided if Leaked had just gotten out of the car when he was asked to do so.

That's where you and I differ I think. Leake has the right to be a jerk - just not a threatening jerk. In my view, he contributed nothing to the situation unless he threatened Jackson. Jackson wears all the blame in my book.

 

[LightBearer]

Not to mention 3 months later Jackson killed an unarmed homelss man drinking in a park......

 

[LightBearer]

You're a blind fanatic who refuses to see anything that doesn't fit with your paranoid delusions about the world. A fanatic is someone who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Does that sound like anyone we know?

You???????? I provide links to news papers, video etc and you say its all BS.
again how long would Alex Jones be on air saying things like "cancer viruses in vaccines"

Honest question, how long?

 

[Thatotherguy]

That's where you and I differ I think. Leake has the right to be a jerk - just not a threatening jerk. In my view, he contributed nothing to the situation unless he threatened Jackson. Jackson wears all the blame in my book.

Do you honestly think this would have happened if Leake had cooperated fully with the cop? If your answer is no, then objectively Leake contributed to the situation. You seem to be equating "contributing to the situation" with "being to blame for the situation." The two are not the same thing. Objectively, Leake contributed to the situation. In this case, there's absolutely no way his contribution justifies the cop's response - that much is beyond dispute IMO.

It's pretty simple, really, the vast majority of the time if you don't provoke a person, that person won't attack you. Does that mean that if you provoke a person and he attacks you, then you're to blame for the attack? Only if the provocation was severe enough that the person was reasonably afraid for his safety (or the safety of others). Does that mean that by provoking the person you contributed to the situation? Of course!

 

[Thatotherguy]

You???????? I provide links to news papers, video etc and you say its all BS.

Hmm, you either provide links to crackpot conspiracy theory bullshit which is little more than paranoid rants with absolutely no evidence, or you provide links to more legitimate sources which don't actually support your conclusions.

Yeah, who's a paranoid fanatic?

 

[sunnysideup]

Do you honestly think this would have happened if Leake had cooperated fully with the cop? If your answer is no, then objectively Leake contributed to the situation. You seem to be equating "contributing to the situation" with "being to blame for the situation." The two are not the same thing. Objectively, Leake contributed to the situation. In this case, there's absolutely no way his contribution justifies the cop's response - that much is beyond dispute IMO.

It's pretty simple, really, the vast majority of the time if you don't provoke a person, that person won't attack you. Does that mean that if you provoke a person and he attacks you, then you're to blame for the attack? Only if the provocation was severe enough that the person was reasonably afraid for his safety (or the safety of others). Does that mean that by provoking the person you contributed to the situation? Of course!

If Leake had cooperated fully with the cop then the assault would not have happened but that’s not the point. By “contribute” and “blame” I don’t mean in the cause/effect sense; I mean in the legal culpability sense. Leake did nothing to give Jackson legal grounds to attack him.

If Police can plead the “he needed beating because he was being a jerk” defence in these cases, then none of us are safe.

 

[Thatotherguy]

If Leake had cooperated fully with the cop then the assault would not have happened but that’s not the point. By “contribute” and “blame” I don’t mean in the cause/effect sense; I mean in the legal culpability sense. Leake did nothing to give Jackson legal grounds to attack him.

If Police can plead the “he needed beating because he was being a jerk” defence in these cases, then none of us are safe.

In that case we're 100% in agreement.

 

[Moderator-1]

Thread Closed

Somebody please reopen this thread - so that we can officially ban the next poster.