Globe and Mail - Some sex workers choose industry due to benefits of occupation
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This is what I mean the judging part bothered me.
Some ppl really don't know what we do on the side, studying or working on small business, not wanting boyfriend hassle , and we just really like being in the business.
However I just hate the judgmental comments we get behind our backs. "She's so beatiful and sexy, but she's a whore."
We all sell some part of ourselves.
I sell the use of my mind, providers sell the use of their bodies. I'm no different from any provider, really.
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Warl0ck
My first question is who/how did they compile the data? I can't imagine they got a lot of feedback from pimped girls or those who can't speak much English so the data is somewhat skewed. It's more a case of the attitudes of women who voluntarily choose the sex trade. And even with that bias in the numbers more of them choose it out of reasons of desperation than wanting to do it.
And how is the data compiledt hat shows the average age girls start is 12, and are all victims of sexual abuse and pimped? That is the overwhelming narrative she is trying to counter.
While there are no doubts some girls are victims, the statistics and studies usually cited have been distorted to make it look like those are the only women in the industry.
Why do the anti-prostitution people think adult women (and men) are imbeciles who can't decide for themselves how they want to earn a living?
It's always going to be difficult to get a genuine feel or idea of the industry because each person in it is here for their own complex variety of reasons. Furthermore, humans are constantly growing and evolving, so an individuals reasons and story will change over time due to the experiences they have had.
Most articles focus on either the exploited or the empowered. Neither is indicative of the industry as a whole, because the vast majority fall somewhere in between these extremes. But average doesn't sell, so we will never hear an average story, if such a story even exists.
Most articles focus on either the exploited or the empowered. Neither is indicative of the industry as a whole, because the vast majority fall somewhere in between these extremes. But average doesn't sell, so we will never hear an average story, if such a story even exists.
Of course they're not all victims. Anyone who is a frequent visitor here can see that. Some women, in fact, do this to explore their sexuality.
this study says nowhere that the average age of entry is 12(sorry just realized you said the same thing).....that stat is from a melissa farely study of a group of at risk youth between the ages of 11 and 17....and that stat was disallowed in the bedford decision by justice himmel as not truth...or as biased unethical data...
the study in question is actually part of the same research group as sex safety and security.....there were originally 7 research areas associated with this and myself and others were part of the consultative body ....
they decided to avoid over researched cities like vancouver and while we may not like some of the findings...it was ethical research and followed every rule of the tri council policy statement
we need this kind of thing to use as ammunition in our next battle against the nordic model...now the canadian model...
the canadian alliance for sex work law reform...of which myself and my group (bccec) as well as pivot, pace, stella, maggies, and many others from coast to coast.....are amping up for a broad campaign against c-36 which organizers have been building tools for and planning for a couple of years....
we have contacts in government and in particular in parliament who have been communicating between us and all parties in a lead up to bringing down the new and constitutionally illegal sex work laws....
i know it seems like not much is happening but there is actually alot of work happening behind the scenes...
i will try to uodate as things go along...
there is a motion proposed by the conservatives and adopted by all parties to investigate the "health impacts of porn" on canadians....ie- they are trying to do as iceland and make porn illegal....it's the same faith based and feminazi groups who pushed through c-36....
its an opportunity for us to come out again in strength and fight the abolitionists who would....if they could.....regulate men's orgasms....i am not joking....anyway....
we can't always judge a study on a news report....
love susie
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Interesting!
CBC just started a three part series on the porn industry on Saturday's DNTO, and another segment on The 180.
Two shows in one day...is the CBC trying to curry favour by cranking out propaganda for Parliament?
Yes - it's their contribution to the Natural Ruling Party of Canada - aka Liberal Party of Canada
I haven't seen any articles stating that Iceland has made watching online porn illegal. To the contrary:
"It's a crime to print and distribute pornography in Iceland (and strip clubs are also banned), but the Internet
flourished as a gaping loophole for the porn industry. This year [2013], however, the government of Iceland has sought
to close it using, among other tools, "Chinese-style" web filters to purge the country of online smut. The effort
is currently in limbo, but given the country's chilly attitude toward adult content, Iceland may soon deny its
residents the ... pleasure ... of such entertainment entirely."
http://www.realclearworld.com/2013/07/25/5_countries_that_want_to_ban_porn_150123.html
"Why does liberal Iceland want to ban online pornography?
"The planned ban is a continuation of previous laws to regulate the sex industry
"ON THE face of it, Saudi Arabia and Iceland have little in common....
"Iceland's proposed ban can be seen as a continuation of earlier legislation to regulate the sex industry.
In 2009 it introduced fines and prison terms for those who patronise prostitutes (though not the prostitutes
themselves, which the law treats as victims). In 2010 it outlawed strip clubs. And distributing and selling
pornography in Iceland has actually been illegal since 1869....
"Iceland's powerful feminist movement is now championing the ban on online pornography, specifically that which
is violent or degrading, mostly towards women....
"Offline, Iceland's previous efforts to clamp down on the sex industry have had mixed results: although all but
two of the country's 15 strip clubs have closed, only 20 cases related to prostitution have gone to court, and
the 1869 ban on selling pornography is not enforced, with magazines openly available in shops."
http://www.economist.com/blogs/econ...conomist-explains-why-iceland-ban-pornography
"In Iceland, pornography is illegal to be made or sold, but sold openly in forms such as DVDs and in print, without the law applied much. High fines were applied in 2001 and ten years earlier a fine was applied to the first manager of the first private TV-station (and the only case to present) in Iceland for showing the Danish "mainstream" Zodiac-films, I Tvillingernes tegn and I Tyrens tegn.[11] (except for possession of abuse/depiction of children). In early 2013 there was a draft proposal by Ögmundur Jónasson, the Minister of the Interior, to extend the ban to online pornography to protect children from violent sexual imagery.[12] The plan has been stalled since the change in government during the parliamentary election on April 27, 2013. Since then, there have been no changes to the relevant legislation, and no changes have been formally proposed.[13][14]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_by_region#Iceland
"It's a crime to print and distribute pornography in Iceland (and strip clubs are also banned), but the Internet
flourished as a gaping loophole for the porn industry. This year [2013], however, the government of Iceland has sought
to close it using, among other tools, "Chinese-style" web filters to purge the country of online smut. The effort
is currently in limbo, but given the country's chilly attitude toward adult content, Iceland may soon deny its
residents the ... pleasure ... of such entertainment entirely."
http://www.realclearworld.com/2013/07/25/5_countries_that_want_to_ban_porn_150123.html
"Why does liberal Iceland want to ban online pornography?
"The planned ban is a continuation of previous laws to regulate the sex industry
"ON THE face of it, Saudi Arabia and Iceland have little in common....
"Iceland's proposed ban can be seen as a continuation of earlier legislation to regulate the sex industry.
In 2009 it introduced fines and prison terms for those who patronise prostitutes (though not the prostitutes
themselves, which the law treats as victims). In 2010 it outlawed strip clubs. And distributing and selling
pornography in Iceland has actually been illegal since 1869....
"Iceland's powerful feminist movement is now championing the ban on online pornography, specifically that which
is violent or degrading, mostly towards women....
"Offline, Iceland's previous efforts to clamp down on the sex industry have had mixed results: although all but
two of the country's 15 strip clubs have closed, only 20 cases related to prostitution have gone to court, and
the 1869 ban on selling pornography is not enforced, with magazines openly available in shops."
http://www.economist.com/blogs/econ...conomist-explains-why-iceland-ban-pornography
"In Iceland, pornography is illegal to be made or sold, but sold openly in forms such as DVDs and in print, without the law applied much. High fines were applied in 2001 and ten years earlier a fine was applied to the first manager of the first private TV-station (and the only case to present) in Iceland for showing the Danish "mainstream" Zodiac-films, I Tvillingernes tegn and I Tyrens tegn.[11] (except for possession of abuse/depiction of children). In early 2013 there was a draft proposal by Ögmundur Jónasson, the Minister of the Interior, to extend the ban to online pornography to protect children from violent sexual imagery.[12] The plan has been stalled since the change in government during the parliamentary election on April 27, 2013. Since then, there have been no changes to the relevant legislation, and no changes have been formally proposed.[13][14]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_by_region#Iceland
Welll said I was thinking the same thing. I also think that the laws really do have to change and open up, lose the stigma of the industry, and educate society.
sorry lenny....you are right...
but they did try to do it....and with the "loop hole" found in iceland....the feminazi's here could push a worse policy....
i have submitted a request to the committee to hear from porn workers and sex workers in general as well as from clients of porn....
maybe we could put together a submission with no names....people could contribute via poll here or something...
what do people think...we have some time....so let's hash it out...
do you guys want to have your say about a pornography ban...?
love susie
but they did try to do it....and with the "loop hole" found in iceland....the feminazi's here could push a worse policy....
i have submitted a request to the committee to hear from porn workers and sex workers in general as well as from clients of porn....
maybe we could put together a submission with no names....people could contribute via poll here or something...
what do people think...we have some time....so let's hash it out...
do you guys want to have your say about a pornography ban...?
love susie
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Warl0ck
Why should a submission without names have to exist? Why should people who want to watch porn have to hide in the shadows? It's like asking Harvey Milk to stay anonymous in the fight for gay rights. Hiding in the shadows only perpetuates that porn, paid sex, etc is dirty and bad. Not to mention a substantial number of males on these sites who were Harper supporters but are against C36. #Huh? If just 10% of the user populace of these forums took 20 minutes to write their MP and express "the right for women to sell their bodies" well we might get somewhere. And, you don't need to paint yourself as a "pooner" to write your MP and ask for the right for a woman to sell her body. It's just simple logic. It's HER body and if she wants to sell it, she can. It's like asking me if I want to sell my foot so someone can come and massage it. My right as a person.
All these studies do one thing. They simply galvanize opinion. One study says "sex work is great" and all the pro sex people say "told ya". Then Trisha Baptie & crew come forth with a study that says "all sex work is evil" and all her supporters say "told ya". It accomplishes nothing. Get the people active not for the agenda, but for what is "fair and just". I'm a white male. Yet I'll be the first person to champion the right of black people to a fair and equal system. There is nothing in it for me. I'm not dating a black woman. I don't live in a black area. I've no investments in "black companies". We need to do the same for sex work.
This is actually the standpoint I agree with most. I also think that it's the most realistic way society can approach a topic that's been incredibly taboo for a very long time. I want to believe that if sex work was seen as an active decision rather than something negatively associated with socioeconomic or class status ("oh that woman is uneducated/on drugs/desperate/etc" or "he's socially inept/too ugly to date/etc") it would make the environment as a whole safer for both the provider and client.
Of course there will always be outliers with abusive clients or girls/pimps who run scams or what have you. Though extreme racism still exists, it's the same concept. Policing a person's choice of what they do with their bodies never leads anywhere positive. Not everyone has to accept sex work, they just have to make peace with the idea that it's neither their body nor choice so it doesn't really effect them.
i understand that it would be the best if people were willing to use their real names and to come out in favor of decrim etc....but it isn't always possible
even if you re just writing your mp as an outside party, you often judged guilty by association....
many hobbyists and workers are not in a position to risk that and so won't....i mean you are preaching to the converted...i am fully out of the closet....of course i would like to see more people support the fight but understand why the can't....stigma...fear of stigma
i agree a porn study will probably be useful and that the study itself will not lead to a ban but actually may provide some important information, but....if we don't intervene, the "study" will be guided by negative stereotypes and will not truly reflect its impact on the health of canadians...
love susie
even if you re just writing your mp as an outside party, you often judged guilty by association....
many hobbyists and workers are not in a position to risk that and so won't....i mean you are preaching to the converted...i am fully out of the closet....of course i would like to see more people support the fight but understand why the can't....stigma...fear of stigma
i agree a porn study will probably be useful and that the study itself will not lead to a ban but actually may provide some important information, but....if we don't intervene, the "study" will be guided by negative stereotypes and will not truly reflect its impact on the health of canadians...
love susie
In 2013 Joy Smith advocated blocking all porn sites. Porn users would contact their ISPs if they wanted them unblocked:
https://www.kelownanow.com/news/new..._Filter_Would_Block_Porn_Sites_Across_Canada/
[2016] "Commons committee to study health effects of violent online pornography":
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/health-pornography-violence-sexually-explicit-1.3893626
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mps-all-agree-porn
http://www.torontosun.com/2016/03/30/mp-wants-feds-to-study-affects-of-violent-porn-on-youth
An opinon by Ashley Csanady questions the usefulness of the study & refers to research already done on the subject:
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-c...avoury-world-of-porn-with-a-useless-committee
https://www.kelownanow.com/news/new..._Filter_Would_Block_Porn_Sites_Across_Canada/
[2016] "Commons committee to study health effects of violent online pornography":
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/health-pornography-violence-sexually-explicit-1.3893626
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mps-all-agree-porn
http://www.torontosun.com/2016/03/30/mp-wants-feds-to-study-affects-of-violent-porn-on-youth
An opinon by Ashley Csanady questions the usefulness of the study & refers to research already done on the subject:
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-c...avoury-world-of-porn-with-a-useless-committee
