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Katlyn

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Rok: I agree with you that a lot do feel this way. I was just saying I think it is less than it seems, and note Violet said the same thing before I did. And I agree wholeheartedly with Violet's comment above also.

The numbers will go up the shorter she's been working though I think. There are a lot of girls that last only a few months and there is a reason they don't stick around. The responses from ladies on this board are going to be skewed...there is a reason we've been working longer than 2 months and are on these boards advertising ourselves. Most of us love our job.

So I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm dismissive. Not at all. Some girls can't handle it and they shouldn't be here but you know, I worked at a Money Mart once and I felt like the spawn of Satan. Seeing how people would get a cash advance, and then when they got their paycheque they'd have to get another because once they paid the 30% fee they couldn't afford rent, etc. I worked there for 6 weeks and saw many people stuck in this cycle coming by every 2 weeks. I felt aweful, it messed with my morals and I couldn't stay. I would imagine I felt just as sick and awful about work as the girls that shouldn't be selling sex. But selling sex does not mess with my morals at all so it IS a viable job to me :)

The original point was that most of us find it really offensive and hypocritical when a client implies there is something wrong with doing this job and I'll stick to that. I think a lot of girls volunteer the info, without being asked, because they have MANY many clients who imply this and it can start to wear on their self confidence. If several people tell you all the time you are ugly aren't you going to start believing it? Same thing if you hear at least once a week that the job you do is not something you should be proud of. But I suppose that is beside the point, it doesn't matter the reason girls feel like this in the long run, what matters is that they do and yes, you're right about that, there are a lot that do. But I agree with Violet that I think some girls just say this, and I also think some girls probably felt okay about this work when they first started (otherwise why would they have started?) and then the stigma and situations like this start to get to them.

But in the end I also think it doesn't matter how a girl does or does not feel about their job, it is hypocritical for a client to imply something like this in this or any industry in which they are a participating member. Not to mention offensive and potentially hurtful.
 

Katlyn

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Some of us have been around a lot longer than you were by the time you arrived on this scene (yes...we all remember sweet, cute naive new little Kaitlyn! :) )
Just noticed this. Tad disparaging don't you think?

And completely irrelevant.

Do not forget that most of us ladies talk and hang out. I am certain I know many more SPs than you do on a personal level and I am aware of the issues that they face a lot more than you are.

Are you sure your I know better than you demeanor (while friendly and smiling and passive as it is) is not sometimes the cause for girls volunteering this info to you?

I am totally not impressed with your "listen here sonny" comment and would never have replied to your last post had I seen it. Extremely rude and offensive.
 

Violet

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Violet, I have never said anything was "wrong" with a woman being in this industry by their own choosing. Please point out where I said otherwise.

You're mistaking me with someone else.

However, what I am saying is that it is understandable that men have the perception that women don't want to be in this industry...mainly because the women keep telling us this.
Oh I never thought you said that, I was saying that guys who have that kind of attitude are the ones I am bothered by & have been speaking out against. But I also don't like the more minor seemingly innocent comments from clients that are based on the assumption that all SPs must feel a certain way or should be congratulated on leaving the industry (any more than leaving any other job to pursure something else). I think I am also just hoping for people to be openminded & to not just disregard viewpoints that differ with their preconceived notions either.

EDIT: oh lord, I am not even going to get into all the issues I have with Vybe's post. Stop treating us like victims!
 

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OK, just my opinion, but I really think it's a good idea for all SPs to work on some sort of plan to eventually get out of the industry. Now having said that, it's not because I think there's anything inherently wrong with making escorting your long-term full-time career. As far as I'm concerned, it's simply pragmatic to be preparing for the day when you leave escorting behind.

Some women can keep this career going for many years, going well into their 40s, 50s, and even beyond. Realistically, though, those women are in the minority. Most SPs simply can't continue their careers that long. Most will either lose their looks and be unable to attract enough clients, or get burnt out, or have a bad experience that makes them want to stop, or get caught up in the bullshit drama that often accompanies this profession. All SPs should prepare for the day when one of those things happens to them. That day may never come, and an SP may end up continuing in this career until the day she's able to retire and never work again, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. More likely, though, the average SP will need to have an exit strategy, and plans for life after escorting.

Now this is just my opinion, but I always think it's a good thing when an SP tells me that she's going to school, or she's got a business on the side, or whatever. Not because I think she'd be better off doing the other thing, or because she should be rising above being an escort, just because it makes me think that she's thinking about her future realistically.
 

Violet

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OK, just my opinion, but I really think it's a good idea for all SPs to work on some sort of plan to eventually get out of the industry. Now having said that, it's not because I think there's anything inherently wrong with making escorting your long-term full-time career. As far as I'm concerned, it's simply pragmatic to be preparing for the day when you leave escorting behind.

Some women can keep this career going for many years, going well into their 40s, 50s, and even beyond. Realistically, though, those women are in the minority. Most SPs simply can't continue their careers that long. Most will either lose their looks and be unable to attract enough clients, or get burnt out, or have a bad experience that makes them want to stop, or get caught up in the bullshit drama that often accompanies this profession. All SPs should prepare for the day when one of those things happens to them. That day may never come, and an SP may end up continuing in this career until the day she's able to retire and never work again, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. More likely, though, the average SP will need to have an exit strategy, and plans for life after escorting.

Now this is just my opinion, but I always think it's a good thing when an SP tells me that she's going to school, or she's got a business on the side, or whatever. Not because I think she'd be better off doing the other thing, or because she should be rising above being an escort, just because it makes me think that she's thinking about her future realistically.
I agree with this. That makes sense, & is just what you would hope for anyone who has a job that is likely to be somewhat short term, especially if they do not want to do it long-term. I have no problem with that kind of attitude.

Imrokhaard: I agree with you that many of these men are coming from a good place, however that does not mean I shouldn't try to change people's minds or open their eyes up to other possibilities, or get them to examine whether they do in fact have a good reason behind their beliefs or are just reiterating what they have been told or taught by society or the media. In some cases it may be an exercise in futility, but I honestly believe that being positive about what I do for a living & explaining what it is like for me, etc, has actually helped changed many people's viewpoints on the industry (since they have told me that). That is all I can hope for :)
 

Katlyn

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OK, just my opinion, but I really think it's a good idea for all SPs to work on some sort of plan to eventually get out of the industry. Now having said that, it's not because I think there's anything inherently wrong with making escorting your long-term full-time career. As far as I'm concerned, it's simply pragmatic to be preparing for the day when you leave escorting behind.
Very well said :)


Well...the comment wasn't intended to be disparaging as much as being nostalgic. If you want to be sensitive to this then I can't help it.

I just simply reminded you that some of the guys on this board have engaged in the industry a long time...sometimes 20, 30 even 40 years, which was a response to how you've been dismissing what we are communicating as our perception of things. How long have you been here? One, maybe two years. (edit: 8 months) Yet, you've been on this board telling us what the guys here should or should not be perceiving? I've simply been communicating that you can't know what we hear and percieve better than we do. So no, I don't think that the comment was "irrelevant".

As far as how you think I interact outside this board, I don't think you can comment as much as I can't comment on how you do. Personally, I believe that when I interact with anyone, including SPs, that I tend to treat everyone with the utmost respect. Again, I'm not sure why you're targeting me as I haven't said anything negative to you.
If you meant it as nostalgia, that's fine. But saying "I've been here longer than you so I know better than you" is not cool. I've been working for 8 months, yes, and you know about events that happened before I came around. So nostalgia, if that is what it was and it was not as I interpreted it, okay, cool...but then you go and do it again: pointing out I've been working 8 months, which by the way is also irrelevant to the topic and another one of those "listen here sonny" types of statements showing how I'm new and you've been around longer. In this industry 8 months is a long time and I've been talking to girls for over a year, I spent more than 6 months talking to people and deciding if I wanted to start working, asking them about these types of things. But I don't really care enough to try to defend myself so let's leave it at that lol

I never once said what a guy should or should not be perceiving. I listened to what you said and added my own thoughts and you said you agreed/understood them. I think you just got a bit defensive at my comment with that response so let's ignore it. I still stand by what I said and part of it is that I agree with what you said. But that doesn't change the fact that comments implying you're old skool and I'm newer and therefore unknowing are offensive.
 

athaire

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Kaitlyn, reread every one of my posts again. I have not commented about anything that implied you or the other ladies are "unknowing" of anything...except when it comes to what us as men are hearing and perceiving from all the other women in the marketplace. NOTHING ELSE. You were dismissing this perspective, so I pointed out that you weren't qualified to know what we as clients and men are hearing or perceiving because:

a) you're not a man
b) you're an sp and not a client
c) and that many of us men have been around a lot longer than you listening to what women tell us - feeding us these stories whether they are true, imagined or completely false.

But these are our experiences which are not the same as your experiences obviously - you have never experienced things from our perspective and surely haven't been in the industry long enough to know what that what we are experiencing isn't accurate. You can't possibly know what the other women in this marketplace are actually telling us - you might only know what the other women in your small circle of friends tell you they say which may or may not still be factual at all.

Sorry if that's offensive to you, but it is also accurate and true.
Amen brother....I dislike when the guys are talking down to the girls or trying to make out like they know everything. And I feel the same when the girls are trying to pull the same shit....
 

Katlyn

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Kaitlyn, reread every one of my posts again. I have not commented about anything that implied you or the other ladies are "unknowing" of anything...except when it comes to what us as men are hearing and perceiving from all the other women in the marketplace. NOTHING ELSE. You were dismissing this perspective, so I pointed out that you weren't qualified to know what we as clients and men are hearing or perceiving because:

a) you're not a man
b) you're an sp and not a client
c) and that many of us men have been around a lot longer than you listening to what women tell us - feeding us these stories whether they are true, imagined or completely false.

But these are our experiences which are not the same as your experiences obviously - you have never experienced things from our perspective and surely haven't been in the industry long enough to know what that what we are experiencing isn't accurate. You can't possibly know what the other women in this marketplace are actually telling us - you might only know what the other women in your small circle of friends tell you they say which may or may not still be factual at all.

Sorry if that's offensive to you, but it is also accurate and true.
But I wasn't dismissing anything lol And I even said I agree with you. I just hate it when people try to imply that they know more based on someone's time doing something. I mean, why was it important for you to bring up that I've been working 8 months? Especially after I said I AGREE with what you said? :rolleyes:

I find that way of proving someone's opinion valid rude, like a cheap way to win a fight and was surprised you would make a comment like that when we were not fighting at all and it would have offended me no matter what we were talking about. I wasn't offended by the topic of conversation at all. You were telling us what you have found and I was telling you what I have heard. Nice lovely conversation where we both said we can see the other's statements and agreed with what they said. My working for 8 months and you pooning for longer has nothing to do with this. That is all and it doesn't really matter anyway.
 

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I for one think that when a Police Officer decides to enter the work force again or for the very first time, he should be applauded and even encouraged! Policing is not a "career". Why call it that? It's so dangerous for the Police Officers , both physically and mentally. Thank goodness for the cars and the many Donut Shops scattered all over cities. They keep the Police Officer off the streets and make the activity much safer - but hey it's still dangerous. Police Officers perform dangerous acts with complete and utter strangers - obviously this is not a safe activity at all!

There are many support groups out there that can help those Police Officer wanting to work again and have normal lives. In a way Policing is almost a drug. The Police Officer get "hooked" on the danger. Also, once a Police Officer gets older then what? She has a "blank" resume. What is she going to do then? These support groups are saving the World, one Police Officer at a time! Reading / writing and other basic job skills are also taught and for free, so that Police Officers can be reintegrated and as a result society is better off I believe.
I believe this is what you were trying to say??:confused: :rolleyes:
 

Violet

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LOL! At least someone can poke fun at him. Gimme a break! Especially his last post. I don't even have the time or the energy to get into everything I find thoroughly offensive about his (Vybe's) posts... groan...

Vybe! If you think this is such a horrible industry, then don't pay women for sex & don't hang out on an escort review board! Or if you think that being an SP is not "work", why don't you do it then? :rolleyes:
 

athaire

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Vybe! If you think this is such a horrible industry, then don't pay women for sex & don't hang out on an escort review board! Or if you think that being an SP is not "work", why don't you do it then? :rolleyes:
No shit......if you don't like it why are you here?
 

SidGuy

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Vybe! If you think this is such a horrible industry, then don't pay women for sex & don't hang out on an escort review board!
well I think it's a great industry, so bugger off and stop ruining it Vybe ;)
 

summerbreeze

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:D Right on :D

It frustrates me so much when I have a client visit me & say things like, "You are so smart & beautiful, you're so much better than this, I really hope you get out of this industry as soon as you can," or even more subtle things like, "Oh I'm so glad you are going to college! It makes me feel so much better to know that you are just doing this to put yourself through school & you are going to better yourself!" (which isn't even true, btw, I am not just doing this to pay for school). WTF?! They are the one paying me for sex, what right do they have to say things like this?? I understand they mean well, but the thing that is fundamentally wrong with these kind of statements is that they are coming from an assumption that there is something wrong with what I am doing for a living! And I don't believe that there is. As long as someone is doing this job by choice & it isn't against their personal ethics, it shouldn't matter whether they ever plan to leave the business or if they've chosen it as a career & not just a means to an end. I also think it's rude to be overly congratulatory when a lady decides to leave the business, because, as I said before, that is coming from an assumption that there was something bad or wrong about being in this industry in the first place.
Maybe they care about you and are worried about some of the dangerous aspects of the business and the risks you take.
 

Violet

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Maybe they care about you and are worried about some of the dangerous aspects of the business and the risks you take.
Perhaps some,, but in that case maybe they should then ASK me what I think, whether I like my job, & whether I feel it is safe, instead of making assumptions or presuming they know what's best for me. It is also not as dangerous as people like to think, & there are many things an SP can do to reduce her risks. There are many other jobs which are far riskier which are "socially accepted", (the majority of which where no one, let alone your clients/customers, treats you with "concern" or urges you to leave the occupation).

And, as I already said:
I have been robbed, attacked, sexually harassed, threatened, humiliated, molested, blackmailed, & more at work, & none of that happened to me while I was an SP! It was while I was working "normal" jobs in retail & hospitality! Plus, in those jobs, I was not even being paid fairly or making a living wage. Sex work has been one of the safest jobs I have had & the best for my mental health, not to mention financially of course.
 

Thais

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This seems to fit:

http://deepthroated.wordpress.com/2009/02/08/how-to-be-an-ally-to-sex-workers/
“How to Be an Ally to Sex Workers” by SWOP-Chicago

Excerpts from the link above:
1) Don’t Assume. Don’t assume you know why a person is in the sex industry. We’re not all trafficked or victims of abuse. Some people make a choice to enter this industry because they enjoy it, others may be struggling for money and have less of a choice...

3) Don’t Judge. Know your own prejudices and realize that not everyone shares the same opinions as you. Whether you think sex work is a dangerous and exploitative profession or not is irrelevant compared to the actual experiences of the person who works in the industry. It’s not your place to pass judgment on how another person earns the money they need to survive...

5) Address Your [Own] Bias Against Sex Workers...

9) Respect that Sex Work is Real Work. There’s a set of professional skills involved and it’s not necessarily an industry that everyone can enter into. Don’t tell someone to get a “real job” when they already have one that suits them just fine...

12) As you learn the above things, stand up for sex workers when conversations happen. Share your personal stories if you so choose. Don’t let the stigma, bigotry and shame around sex work continue. Remember it’s important that sex workers be allowed to speak for themselves and for allies to not speak for sex workers but to speak with sex workers.
 
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blazejowski

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Why do whores become Prostitutes in the first place? I really think Prostitutes should start paying taxes like everyone else. There are lots of misconceptions about Prostitutes; people tend to think they get pressured into the work by their owners. Maybe most Prostitutes are just Nymphomaniacs with very limited morals / ethics etc. In any case, it would be good to do a research paper on them since they are very interesting creatures.
“There is no sin except stupidity.”

“It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful.”

“The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.”

“Stupidity has a knack of getting its way.”

“The wise understand by themselves; fools follow the reports of others”
 

Violet

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Vybe

Clearly, as I noted in another thread, Vybe's sole purpose on this board is to stir shit up, fuck with people, get a reaction, & use the word "Prostitute" (with a capital P) as much as he possibly can. He can't be for real, he probably doesn't even believe the shit he says. This is simply entertainment for him. Check out all his other posts if you want a laugh & to see what I mean...
 
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