Get the flu shots! Anti-Vaccine propaganda debunked.
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OK, obviously you haven't bothered to find out anything about Guillain-Barre Syndrome. If you had, you would know that vaccines seem to trigger it in a statistically insignificant percentage of the people who take the vaccine, and the vast majority of cases are not triggered by vaccines. Basically it can be triggered by anything that affects the immune system - humans are exposed to things that affect the immune system every day.
Also, your lightning bolt example is entirely invalid (which is not surprising, since virtually everything that you ever say is about as well thought out as you'd expect from a 2nd grader). You really couldn't comprehend the link I gave you about correlation not implying causation, could you? I know, I know, it's hard when they use grown-up words and logic. Here's a hint: in your lightning bolt example, there's a direct cause and effect, which has been proven by science (I know, I know, you don't understand what the definition of proof is either). There is no known cause for Guillain-Barre Syndrome. Anything that causes the body's immune system to start working can trigger it, but that's not a cause. I know, I know, you're too simple-minded to understand the difference between a cause and a trigger.
And, of course, all of your simple-minded conspiracy theories and jumping to conclusions (ps: jumping to conclusions is the first resort of the moron) ignores the fact that you're more than 12 times more likely to be hospitalized or killed by h1n1 than you are to ever contract Guillain-Barre Syndrome in your lifetime. And that includes all cases of Guillain-Barre Syndrome, not just those that may have been triggered by a vaccine!
Tell me again about your ill-informed, ill-thought-out version of reality...
Obviously you're ignoring the real problem here. We need more pirates in the world so we can fight global warming! Wake up sheeple!
I'm not sure if you've ever said anything that applied more perfectly to you...
Sorry, with all the talk here about GBS, I forgot it was Dystonia that she got, and not GBS (although actually, there's some debate about if she really has Dystonia, but let's assume she does). Guess what, the exact same thing applies. It is possible to get Dystonia because of a reaction to a drug, but it's much more common for the cause to be something else. In fact, the majority of cases of Dystonia are either caused by a genetic condition, or have no known cause. Your chances of getting Dystonia from a vaccine injection are statistically insignificant. Your chances of being hospitalized or killed by H1N1 if you're not vaccinated are not statistically insignificant. Oh, and not only that, but the cheerleader you're talking about didn't even get the H1N1 vaccine. She got the seasonal flu vaccine.
So yeah, you're still a moron, you still fail at comprehending that correlation does not imply causation, you still fail at understanding probabilities, you still fail at using basic logic, you still fail at reporting the basic facts to "support" your arguments, and in fact, I can't think of anything that you don't fail at.
By the way, this isn't meant in any way to convince you to get the H1N1 vaccine. I say let Darwinism take its course. Please continue to avoid minuscule risks in favour of taking larger risks. When it catches up to you, the species will be better off for it.
So yeah, you're still a moron, you still fail at comprehending that correlation does not imply causation, you still fail at understanding probabilities, you still fail at using basic logic, you still fail at reporting the basic facts to "support" your arguments, and in fact, I can't think of anything that you don't fail at.
By the way, this isn't meant in any way to convince you to get the H1N1 vaccine. I say let Darwinism take its course. Please continue to avoid minuscule risks in favour of taking larger risks. When it catches up to you, the species will be better off for it.
Why beat a dead horse, it's not like CountDimwit will ever get the point.
Yesterday he was at 9 posts, now he's back to 5. He's made it to 9 before, got knocked back to zip, it's become a game for him. It may be annoying, but ignore him and eventually, even with his limited mental ability and social skills he'll go away.
Yesterday he was at 9 posts, now he's back to 5. He's made it to 9 before, got knocked back to zip, it's become a game for him. It may be annoying, but ignore him and eventually, even with his limited mental ability and social skills he'll go away.
uncleg are you sure he will go away? He doesn't seem to be able to take a hint very well.. Why do suppose that is? My theory is that he has been laughed off every other board he has been on, so consquently we here at perb might be the only place left for him.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
Either laughed off the board or ignored off it. What's the point in posting if you're ignored ? I had a gig downtown Vancouver this summer that brought me to the same building for about two months at about the same time everyday. There was a panhandler outside the building that hit me up the first couple times I arrived there. I blew him off. He got a bit aggressive so I gave him my card. He read it and just lost it. After that he never bothered me again. I'd say the same would work here.
Saw right through me, didn't you.You forgot thewith your post. People are liable to think you are serious.
Ooops.
Of course, his stay won't be too long.
It's back.
Given that by your own admission ALL of YOUR expert opinions all originate with that Alex Jones nutcase , you're hardly one to cast aspersions on anyone else's sources. You only see one side of the issue and refuse to believe anything from the other side, so your opinion is one sided and worthless.
(Enjoy the rest of your short stay.)
Given that by your own admission ALL of YOUR expert opinions all originate with that Alex Jones nutcase , you're hardly one to cast aspersions on anyone else's sources. You only see one side of the issue and refuse to believe anything from the other side, so your opinion is one sided and worthless.
(Enjoy the rest of your short stay.)
But Jenny McCarthy is a qualified source for medical information, of course. Giving her a platform is more evidence that Oprah is a big idiot.
And then there's this.
Independent research in recent years has shown flu vaccines to be fairly worthless. The most important confirmation of this fact is the meta analysis done by the Cochrane Collaboration
The Cochrane Collaboration is the most prestigious, independent medical research organization in the world. Their purpose is to review medical research and procedures to insure they are "evidence based". They did not find sufficient evidence in reviewing all the major flu vaccine studies done since the 60's to demonstrate effectiveness of influenza vaccines..
Remember the H1N1 vaccine is made just like other seasonal flu vaccines, except this one has the more toxic component added to it to ramp up the immune system, AS03 which contains squalene. Squalene has been associated with Gulf War syndrome, and shown to cause autoimmune diseases in laboratory tests. http://vaccineinfo.net/immunization/vaccine/H1N1_swine_flu/SqualeneReferencesVaccineA.pdf
Here's a recap of the Cochrane Collaboration's review of their meta analysis done of all important flu studies published in peer reviewed medical journals since the 60's. This review of their findings is written by Tom Jefferson, MD and published in the British Medical Journal. Jefferson is the lead researcher of Cochrane’s meta analysis of influenza vaccines:
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/333/7574/912
Usually the medical world pays close attention to the findings published by the Cochrane research group. But because criticism of vaccines is stepping on holy ground, they are choosing to ignore these findings, and what many of us have known for a long time, that flu vaccines are worthless and do not alter morbidity and mortality in the population.
A recent interview with Jefferson in Der Speigel, a leading German magazine: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,637119,00.html
An excellent mainstream media article in the November, 2009 The Atlantic, which reiterates elegantly the fact that independent researchers have found that influenza vaccines do not alter morbidity and mortality in the population despite the dramatic increase in uptake of flu vaccines in the last 30 years: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200911/brownlee-h1n1
We recommend you take a look at our influenza vaccine page where we recap the lab reports done every year by Health Canada's Flu Watch which shows year in and year out that the influenza virus is a minority virus that comprises on average, only 10% of all ILI (influenza like illnesses) The other pathogens for which there are no vaccines typically cause exactly the same symptoms and miseries as real influenza does. What the public needs to understand is that those other pathogens are the culprits in approx. 90% of all flu like illnesses. http://vran.org/about-vaccines/specific-vaccines/influenza-vaccine-flu-shot/
Recently, CBS in the U.S. found, after a three month search, Freedom of Information Requests and much stonewalling by the CDC (Centers for Disease Control), that a similar picture has emerged in the U.S. – i.e. that only a tiny percentage of laboratory confirmed flu like illnesses are actually H1N1. This is information they do NOT want the public to have. Undoubtedly, the real picture is similar if not identical in Canada: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/21/cbsnews_investigates/main5404829.shtml
Remember your doctor can't differentiate in his office the difference between actual influenza, type A or B or the other pathogens. This can only be done by a lab that analyzes the swab taken from the sick persons nose and throat. This is the only way to confirm whether a person has "influenza" or an influenza like illness (ILI).
When Ontario initiated its massive universal influenza flu vaccine campaign, research a number of years later showed that it had not made any difference to morbidity and mortality in that province. That was after an expenditure of over 100 million dollars. Too bad health officials didn’t advise the people about the benefits of vitamin D.
When discussing the ins and outs of the current pandemic hysteria, one needs to understand the above information in order to speak from a factual base.
Your best protection from influenza or any circulating pathogen is a strong immune system. Dr. Mercola’s acclaimed newsletter, available free on line publishes cutting information on how to maintain health and a strong immune system without resorting to toxic drugs.
A recent interview with neurosurgeon Dr. Russell Blaylock offers a goldmine of information about the pandemic and the vaccine – information that you’ll not get from mainstream media sources:
http://products.mercola.com/swine-flu/20091103.htm
Dr. Mercola and veteran vaccine awareness activist, Barbara Loe Fisher discuss swine flu: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/21/Special-Swine-Flu-Update.aspx (Oct. 21/09)
Our statement on the H1N1 pandemic offers an insightful perspective at: http://vran.org/in-the-news/swine-flu-vaccine-a-public-health-experiment/
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VRAN is Canada's leading vaccine awareness educational society. We are a not-for-profit group without ties to government or corporations and are solely supported by our members. Learn more about vaccines, diseases and how to protect your children from vaccine induced injuries. Become a member of VRAN and receive our internationally acclaimed newsletters www.vran.org Contact us at: info@vran.org
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And here's a good chuckle over this whole obnoxious affair; The Globe and Mail offers you this:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/if-youre-too-hot-get-a-shot/article1334581/
If you're too hot, get a shot
Rick Salutin
The H1N1 experts try to sound clear and decisive even if they're totally at sea
Published on Thursday, Oct. 22, 2009 6:15PM EDT Last updated on Saturday, Oct. 24, 2009 3:23AM EDT
DRUMROLL, please. We have rolled out the H1N1 vaccine. It's in the warehouses – hold on, I'm being told it's now been approved by our tests, though our tests aren't complete and most of them aren't ours and we already knew most of what we now know before this. Never mind. You can get the vaccine, but not yet. And maybe not when you go for it since there's not enough for everyone so we're asking people who aren't at risk not to get it though if they go they can get it. Except in some places. Anyway, it's a Go! …
In fact, it was CBC news who trumpeted, “It's a go!” They joined the general rollicking mood. Personally I'd like to know where to go to be inoculated against the confusion and lack of clarity surrounding this story.
How did it start? Last April, Dr. Margaret Chan, of the World Health Organization, said a pandemic was “imminent” and “the whole of humanity“ was “under threat” from it. And you thought humanity was under threat from stuff like nuclear arsenals and global warming. But she may have felt she had to match some of the hysterical overstatement already abroad.
Then this summer, the bottom appeared to fall out of the panic. Under advice apparently from WHO and others, Canada decided to delay production of the H1N1 vaccine in favour of seasonal flu vaccine. This at least is how it seems to Richard Schabas, Ontario's former chief medical officer. But this fall, he says, reports of H1N1 rose again, as was predictable, since new flus normally replace old ones. The geniuses in charge abruptly tried to speed up the vaccine they'd held back, with limited, confusing results. Dr. Schabas says he has no idea why they didn't make the switch in summer. I, however, will risk a guess. Realizing they had overdone it in the spring, they underdid it to compensate in the summer, then reverted to panic in the fall. This is consistent with their consistent record of inconsistency.
So, for instance, pregnant women are at special risk and should take a particular version of the vaccine, which Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq said would be ready but others say will be two weeks later than the stuff now shipping. Why did they delay that critical batch? We don't know. Some experts say get a shot now; others say wait. A TV reporter summarized the chaos: “It'll be up to pregnant women to choose which one they'll get.” That isn't inconsistent, it's brutal. It's like your doctor telling you to choose between a triple and a quintuple bypass.
Why not just go ahead and die?
It's all presided over by many of the clowns who performed during the 2003 SARS crisis. There's Dr. Donald Low, who looks like one of the actors who used to play doctors on headache ads, with a “simulation” caption underneath. He and others ran off to explain to international meetings what heroes they were just as the second round of SARS hit. Or Dr. Allison McGeer, who always has the look of a character in a disaster movie. Dr. David Butler-Jones has joined the troupe. He's from Manitoba, where native reserves were denied hand sanitizers, since they contain alcohol, and body bags were sent instead. The show must go on.
The actual disease looks like it will be mild if widespread. But the clowns – pardon, experts – seem to have had a booster shot of PR that causes them to try to sound clear and decisive even if they're totally at sea. This in turn makes the rest of us feel crazy, since we assume it means something. (e.g., Dr. Low: “We're seeing disease now. And we're seeing increasing disease in British Columbia and we're seeing it in Ontario right now.”)
It would be a relief if they shut up occasionally, if only to convey the impression that they're thinking. Instead they all act, as Groucho said to Mrs. Teasdale, as if they've been vaccinated with a phonograph needle.
Sorry Iz, you're still my favorite.
Independent research in recent years has shown flu vaccines to be fairly worthless. The most important confirmation of this fact is the meta analysis done by the Cochrane Collaboration
The Cochrane Collaboration is the most prestigious, independent medical research organization in the world. Their purpose is to review medical research and procedures to insure they are "evidence based". They did not find sufficient evidence in reviewing all the major flu vaccine studies done since the 60's to demonstrate effectiveness of influenza vaccines..
Remember the H1N1 vaccine is made just like other seasonal flu vaccines, except this one has the more toxic component added to it to ramp up the immune system, AS03 which contains squalene. Squalene has been associated with Gulf War syndrome, and shown to cause autoimmune diseases in laboratory tests. http://vaccineinfo.net/immunization/vaccine/H1N1_swine_flu/SqualeneReferencesVaccineA.pdf
Here's a recap of the Cochrane Collaboration's review of their meta analysis done of all important flu studies published in peer reviewed medical journals since the 60's. This review of their findings is written by Tom Jefferson, MD and published in the British Medical Journal. Jefferson is the lead researcher of Cochrane’s meta analysis of influenza vaccines:
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/333/7574/912
Usually the medical world pays close attention to the findings published by the Cochrane research group. But because criticism of vaccines is stepping on holy ground, they are choosing to ignore these findings, and what many of us have known for a long time, that flu vaccines are worthless and do not alter morbidity and mortality in the population.
A recent interview with Jefferson in Der Speigel, a leading German magazine: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,637119,00.html
An excellent mainstream media article in the November, 2009 The Atlantic, which reiterates elegantly the fact that independent researchers have found that influenza vaccines do not alter morbidity and mortality in the population despite the dramatic increase in uptake of flu vaccines in the last 30 years: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200911/brownlee-h1n1
We recommend you take a look at our influenza vaccine page where we recap the lab reports done every year by Health Canada's Flu Watch which shows year in and year out that the influenza virus is a minority virus that comprises on average, only 10% of all ILI (influenza like illnesses) The other pathogens for which there are no vaccines typically cause exactly the same symptoms and miseries as real influenza does. What the public needs to understand is that those other pathogens are the culprits in approx. 90% of all flu like illnesses. http://vran.org/about-vaccines/specific-vaccines/influenza-vaccine-flu-shot/
Recently, CBS in the U.S. found, after a three month search, Freedom of Information Requests and much stonewalling by the CDC (Centers for Disease Control), that a similar picture has emerged in the U.S. – i.e. that only a tiny percentage of laboratory confirmed flu like illnesses are actually H1N1. This is information they do NOT want the public to have. Undoubtedly, the real picture is similar if not identical in Canada: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/21/cbsnews_investigates/main5404829.shtml
Remember your doctor can't differentiate in his office the difference between actual influenza, type A or B or the other pathogens. This can only be done by a lab that analyzes the swab taken from the sick persons nose and throat. This is the only way to confirm whether a person has "influenza" or an influenza like illness (ILI).
When Ontario initiated its massive universal influenza flu vaccine campaign, research a number of years later showed that it had not made any difference to morbidity and mortality in that province. That was after an expenditure of over 100 million dollars. Too bad health officials didn’t advise the people about the benefits of vitamin D.
When discussing the ins and outs of the current pandemic hysteria, one needs to understand the above information in order to speak from a factual base.
Your best protection from influenza or any circulating pathogen is a strong immune system. Dr. Mercola’s acclaimed newsletter, available free on line publishes cutting information on how to maintain health and a strong immune system without resorting to toxic drugs.
A recent interview with neurosurgeon Dr. Russell Blaylock offers a goldmine of information about the pandemic and the vaccine – information that you’ll not get from mainstream media sources:
http://products.mercola.com/swine-flu/20091103.htm
Dr. Mercola and veteran vaccine awareness activist, Barbara Loe Fisher discuss swine flu: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/21/Special-Swine-Flu-Update.aspx (Oct. 21/09)
Our statement on the H1N1 pandemic offers an insightful perspective at: http://vran.org/in-the-news/swine-flu-vaccine-a-public-health-experiment/
*********************
VRAN is Canada's leading vaccine awareness educational society. We are a not-for-profit group without ties to government or corporations and are solely supported by our members. Learn more about vaccines, diseases and how to protect your children from vaccine induced injuries. Become a member of VRAN and receive our internationally acclaimed newsletters www.vran.org Contact us at: info@vran.org
**********************************
And here's a good chuckle over this whole obnoxious affair; The Globe and Mail offers you this:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/if-youre-too-hot-get-a-shot/article1334581/
If you're too hot, get a shot
Rick Salutin
The H1N1 experts try to sound clear and decisive even if they're totally at sea
Published on Thursday, Oct. 22, 2009 6:15PM EDT Last updated on Saturday, Oct. 24, 2009 3:23AM EDT
DRUMROLL, please. We have rolled out the H1N1 vaccine. It's in the warehouses – hold on, I'm being told it's now been approved by our tests, though our tests aren't complete and most of them aren't ours and we already knew most of what we now know before this. Never mind. You can get the vaccine, but not yet. And maybe not when you go for it since there's not enough for everyone so we're asking people who aren't at risk not to get it though if they go they can get it. Except in some places. Anyway, it's a Go! …
In fact, it was CBC news who trumpeted, “It's a go!” They joined the general rollicking mood. Personally I'd like to know where to go to be inoculated against the confusion and lack of clarity surrounding this story.
How did it start? Last April, Dr. Margaret Chan, of the World Health Organization, said a pandemic was “imminent” and “the whole of humanity“ was “under threat” from it. And you thought humanity was under threat from stuff like nuclear arsenals and global warming. But she may have felt she had to match some of the hysterical overstatement already abroad.
Then this summer, the bottom appeared to fall out of the panic. Under advice apparently from WHO and others, Canada decided to delay production of the H1N1 vaccine in favour of seasonal flu vaccine. This at least is how it seems to Richard Schabas, Ontario's former chief medical officer. But this fall, he says, reports of H1N1 rose again, as was predictable, since new flus normally replace old ones. The geniuses in charge abruptly tried to speed up the vaccine they'd held back, with limited, confusing results. Dr. Schabas says he has no idea why they didn't make the switch in summer. I, however, will risk a guess. Realizing they had overdone it in the spring, they underdid it to compensate in the summer, then reverted to panic in the fall. This is consistent with their consistent record of inconsistency.
So, for instance, pregnant women are at special risk and should take a particular version of the vaccine, which Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq said would be ready but others say will be two weeks later than the stuff now shipping. Why did they delay that critical batch? We don't know. Some experts say get a shot now; others say wait. A TV reporter summarized the chaos: “It'll be up to pregnant women to choose which one they'll get.” That isn't inconsistent, it's brutal. It's like your doctor telling you to choose between a triple and a quintuple bypass.
Why not just go ahead and die?
It's all presided over by many of the clowns who performed during the 2003 SARS crisis. There's Dr. Donald Low, who looks like one of the actors who used to play doctors on headache ads, with a “simulation” caption underneath. He and others ran off to explain to international meetings what heroes they were just as the second round of SARS hit. Or Dr. Allison McGeer, who always has the look of a character in a disaster movie. Dr. David Butler-Jones has joined the troupe. He's from Manitoba, where native reserves were denied hand sanitizers, since they contain alcohol, and body bags were sent instead. The show must go on.
The actual disease looks like it will be mild if widespread. But the clowns – pardon, experts – seem to have had a booster shot of PR that causes them to try to sound clear and decisive even if they're totally at sea. This in turn makes the rest of us feel crazy, since we assume it means something. (e.g., Dr. Low: “We're seeing disease now. And we're seeing increasing disease in British Columbia and we're seeing it in Ontario right now.”)
It would be a relief if they shut up occasionally, if only to convey the impression that they're thinking. Instead they all act, as Groucho said to Mrs. Teasdale, as if they've been vaccinated with a phonograph needle.
Sorry Iz, you're still my favorite.
