Gender-based retirement age

ddcanz

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This may sound fucked up, but without knowing all the facts I agree with the concept.
Take off your man-coloured glasses for a minute and visualize walking a mile or two in a woman's shoes at any point in her life.
I think that in general more women put up with WAY MORE SHIT in this life than most men, and an earlier, more comfortable retirement shouldn't be too much to expect.
 

SirJimmy

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Please elaborate. I work just as hard, if not harder, than my female co-workers. Should they get to retire 5 years before me just because of their gender?

Bottom line: on average, men die a few years younger than women, so it us men who should get to retire earlier so that we can enjoy an equivalent time in retirement.

I sure as hell hope Canada does not follow England's idiocy.
 

ddcanz

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I'm not making a statement about who works harder in their job- to me it's irrelevant. You want more then put yourself in position to get more. Typically easier for a man.
I also feel I work harder and produce more than those around me. I also know that in general I'm also compensated more.
Back to my point though. I feel that a woman- in general- carries way more "weight" in most aspects of her life, whether it be career opportunities, the workplace dynamic, child rearing, male oppression and objectification on many levels, body chemistry and change of life, etc. I think that women endure "bullshit" above and beyond what most men can possibly comprehend.
Sit down and really listen- without adding your two-cents- to a significant woman in your life about her daily events- whether she be your SO, sister, daughter, mother, good friend- whomever. I think you would agree that on average we have it way better.
 

SirJimmy

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I'm not making a statement about who works harder in their job- to me it's irrelevant. You want more then put yourself in position to get more. Typically easier for a man.
I also feel I work harder and produce more than those around me. I also know that in general I'm also compensated more.
Back to my point though. I feel that a woman- in general- carries way more "weight" in most aspects of her life, whether it be career opportunities, the workplace dynamic, child rearing, male oppression and objectification on many levels, body chemistry and change of life, etc. I think that women endure "bullshit" above and beyond what most men can possibly comprehend.
Sit down and really listen- without adding your two-cents- to a significant woman in your life about her daily events- whether she be your SO, sister, daughter, mother, good friend- whomever. I think you would agree that on average we have it way better.
Can't the same be said about visible minorities, disabled people and gay people? Should they all get to retire earlier? Only straight, able-bodied, white males work to 65?

I'm pretty sure that a typical black male will tell you he carries more "weight" than a typical white female in Canada. Christy Clarke gets to retire at 60 because of her plumbing, but a coloured immigrant dude has to toil away at hard labor until he is 65? Give me a break.

Why try to correct this injustice through retirement age? What about those men who cheat and die too early and cannot help lift some of the womens' weight after age 60. Maybe we should tax men higher from day one. There used to be something called a bachelor tax in the past.
 

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I'm not making a statement about who works harder in their job- to me it's irrelevant. You want more then put yourself in position to get more. Typically easier for a man.
I also feel I work harder and produce more than those around me. I also know that in general I'm also compensated more.
Back to my point though. I feel that a woman- in general- carries way more "weight" in most aspects of her life, whether it be career opportunities, the workplace dynamic, child rearing, male oppression and objectification on many levels, body chemistry and change of life, etc. I think that women endure "bullshit" above and beyond what most men can possibly comprehend.
Sit down and really listen- without adding your two-cents- to a significant woman in your life about her daily events- whether she be your SO, sister, daughter, mother, good friend- whomever. I think you would agree that on average we have it way better.
Wow you've been whipped really really hard.

You know why when you sit down and listen to a woman telling you about her daily events and all that, why it sounds so hard? Because they obsess on the little eetsy bitsy tiny things in their inter-relationships and tasks to the point of making these things 1000 percent more difficult than they need to be. You know how they solve conflict? They gotta talk about it, in tremendous detail, over and over and over. Men have conflict resolution, task completion, and all that, done way better than women. As a result, we compete with each other with less bitterness, less bitchiness, more cooperation, and we get more done with less fuss.

Now I'm only speaking in generalities here. There are some excellent women and lousy men whose roles could easily have been changed.

As for body chemistry in old age, men go through their challenges too, and its no less challenging than what women go through in old age. It's just different, that's all.

And while women are sexually objectified, men are financially exploited. Many men reach middle age and have half their income and all their assets taken away from them by fat, lazy wives who won't put out anymore and the easiest way out is to steal her husband's livelihood.

This whole business about women automatically being the victims and the less fortunate ones in this society needs to end. It's pretty clear that there's a popular movement among them and some men to exploit it.
 

ddcanz

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Wow you've been whipped really really hard.

You know why when you sit down and listen to a woman telling you about her daily events and all that, why it sounds so hard? Because they obsess on the little eetsy bitsy tiny things in their inter-relationships and tasks to the point of making these things 1000 percent more difficult than they need to be. You know how they solve conflict? They gotta talk about it, in tremendous detail, over and over and over. Men have conflict resolution, task completion, and all that, done way better than women. As a result, we compete with each other with less bitterness, less bitchiness, more cooperation, and we get more done with less fuss.

Now I'm only speaking in generalities here. There are some excellent women and lousy men whose roles could easily have been changed.

As for body chemistry in old age, men go through their challenges too, and its no less challenging than what women go through in old age. It's just different, that's all.

And while women are sexually objectified, men are financially exploited. Many men reach middle age and have half their income and all their assets taken away from them by fat, lazy wives who won't put out anymore and the easiest way out is to steal her husband's livelihood.

This whole business about women automatically being the victims and the less fortunate ones in this society needs to end. It's pretty clear that there's a popular movement among them and some men to exploit it.
1. Not whipped, just tuned in and compassionate. If you really think there is equality on all levels then you are out of touch.
2. I agree with you COMPLETELY about women making mountains out of mole hills and dissecting shit to the nth degree- whether it be in the work place or elsewhere- and what they see as huge issues we would consider minutia. I also agree that we men sort out our issues in a straightforward manner. We are problem solvers, women are communicators. It doesn't make their problems less relevant. Like I said, if you listen to what they are saying and just keep your mouth shut- don't offer a solution unless asked- then typically there will be less tension in a relationship. The woman will feel your understanding, rather than your control.
3. You can't compare body chemistry- 30 years of monthly bleeding and hormonal overload, then a 10 year change and more imbalance that may or may not include sideburns and moustaches? Yeah, OK.
4. Agreed that some women take men for a ride. Also, these women that "don't put out" are probably getting fucked around on as well. And who made them fat and lazy? Probably at minimum a team effort there- it pretty much always takes two to tango.
5. I'm not saying women are automatically the victims and less fortunate in society, merely that in general they have a tougher road to hoe. Of course there are MANY exceptions, but it still seems pretty clear to me that as a healthy and capable male I have more opportunities than a woman. Appearance alone will handicap a woman's options to a certain degree. We still live in a male dominant society.
 

mimi

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Wow! Is it fair? No, it is not fair! Why should women be pensioned off 5 years earlier than men? It means they have to stretch the pension a lot further and live on a lot less because we generally outlive men, and not due to genetic factors, but merely because we take better care of our health. I know a 65 year old woman who was called back out of retirement and she is tickled pink, because even with a generous retirement plan she could see that 25 or 30 years of retirement would give her a poor quality of lifestyle.
 
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Violet

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Ok, first of all, there is no mandatory Retirement Age in the UK. People are not forced to retire at a set age. Second, as far as pension eligibility, the State Pension Age gender discrepancy is already in the process of being phased out (and even for people already receiving pensions it was not age 65 for men and 60 for women). And third, women's pensions in the UK are on average 35% lower than men's.
 
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