Fun for the whole family... Death for a few unlucky horses.
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Don't agree with MB a lot of the time - but seems to me people are just too lazy to digest her links and articles, all of which tend to be relevant, if cherry-picked and favourable to her position (which should surprise no one - what's she gonna do, pick links that don't?)
What's the difference between her post and seven's last post, a 655 word personal anecdote. Both are relevant, both are on topic.
The late alininburnaby was the same way, and yet took none of the flack for it, despite often being as oppositional as MB.
MB's general stubborn refusal to agree to disagree, I find, is in response to the general tendency for people to oversimplify and generalize based on 'ideology', rather than discuss the actual content of the issue.
My $0.02 - and to the first person who cries "white knight" - FUCK YOU
What's the difference between her post and seven's last post, a 655 word personal anecdote. Both are relevant, both are on topic.
The late alininburnaby was the same way, and yet took none of the flack for it, despite often being as oppositional as MB.
MB's general stubborn refusal to agree to disagree, I find, is in response to the general tendency for people to oversimplify and generalize based on 'ideology', rather than discuss the actual content of the issue.
My $0.02 - and to the first person who cries "white knight" - FUCK YOU
I respectfully disagree, the links and articles make her lazy not the other way around. If she posts 15 links and articles, are we suppose to read them all? Instead, a far more effective way is to digest the links and articles and form an opinion in her own words. Excessive posting of links and articles seems like information dumping to me.Don't agree with MB a lot of the time - but seems to me people are just too lazy to digest her links and articles, all of which tend to be relevant, if cherry-picked and favourable to her position (which should surprise no one - what's she gonna do, pick links that don't?)
What's the difference between her post and seven's last post, a 655 word personal anecdote. Both are relevant, both are on topic.
The late alininburnaby was the same way, and yet took none of the flack for it, despite often being as oppositional as MB.
MB's general stubborn refusal to agree to disagree, I find, is in response to the general tendency for people to oversimplify and generalize based on 'ideology', rather than discuss the actual content of the issue.
My $0.02 - and to the first person who cries "white knight" - FUCK YOU
alin was the same way, you could argue but he never did it in a high handed manner like she does.
AIB was never bluntly confrontational about things and with such a, how should I say it, condescending tone lol; and I dont remember his posts being so long or absolutly flooded with links/quotes. It's a large part her condescension and sarcasm which make it difficult for anyone to change their opinion and agree with her. "Vulgarity simply gives those who dont want to listen to you a reason not to", she's not being vulgar, but she isn't trying in the slightest to avoid offending people. Yea it's funny when people get all butt hurt and refuse to agree with something, which is clearly right, simply on principle. However that doesn't help any greater causes (ie in this case getting people to stop supporting chuckwagon races - whatever the fuck those are)Don't agree with MB a lot of the time - but seems to me people are just too lazy to digest her links and articles, all of which tend to be relevant, if cherry-picked and favourable to her position (which should surprise no one - what's she gonna do, pick links that don't?)
What's the difference between her post and seven's last post, a 655 word personal anecdote. Both are relevant, both are on topic.
The late alininburnaby was the same way, and yet took none of the flack for it, despite often being as oppositional as MB.
MB's general stubborn refusal to agree to disagree, I find, is in response to the general tendency for people to oversimplify and generalize based on 'ideology', rather than discuss the actual content of the issue.
My $0.02 - and to the first person who cries "white knight" - FUCK YOU
To say people are just too lazy to go through her entire posts/links isn't entirely accurate. I came into the thread to see how it spawned 7 pages, I have no real opinion one way or another on rodeos. I could have been swayed on way or another, but too much is just too much and the whole issue gets piled back into the "doesn't really matter to me" cabinet. It's not that I'm lazy as much as it is I'm not really invested in the topic. It's like talk radio, they understand they've got small bites of time that at any given moment a new listener might swing by and stop for 5-10mins to give them a chance - it's in that timeframe they've got to get the point of their show across if they want a new listener. So really you should give a synopsis of links or have a summary or coles notes version, or SOMETHING lol
Personally I always check her threads. Even if they aren't issues that actually matter to me, there will probably be at least some people who get real sore over her snarky delivery and I will be entertained. I've simply learned to do anything I can to avoid getting involved in said threads. As there are some people in this world who regardless of how right or wrong they are, can just flat out debate/argue (with a whole bunch of sneaky tricks ie pissing people off to throw them off proper thinking) she's one of em.
oh and you're a goddamn white knight lololololol, sorry I just had to!
Not that it makes a whit of a difference, but Miss Bijou's posts and other like them, are really the only reason I come to this board. Not like I'm going to travel 3000 miles for a rub-n-tug. An example of cognitive dissonance? I would watch PBR any chance I got on TV. Knew about the flank strap (my understanding is it irritates their cock). Just kind of fell into the mental lazyness of...if its on TV, other people, mothers and children are attending....then it must be wholesome. Not connecting the dots that what is really going on is animal abuse. Thanks MB, I know I haven't agreed with all your views, but I definitely know they are well researched and contemplative. Keep the knowledge coming!
I know what you mean Flanders......an hours worth of other peoples writing that is linked/pasted like she wrote it herself so as to make herself feel all smart and self righteous.....worse than fucking JW's soliciting for your soul on your doorstep
A very good point.....I myself never read any of her posted propaganda as it is slanted towards her opinion ....it is never her opinion or her words or ideas but the wordsand ideas/opinions of others.
You and I are in total agreement here dude.
SR
It's not that I don't like her opinions, I just don't care for the way she presents her opinion. The goal of communication is to get your point across. I think her style of posting is hindering the delivery of her messages, that's all, no name calling just a little judging but I don't think I am in the minority in this regard.
Miss Bijou:
For fuck's sake, GIVE UP this friggen subject!! You are fully entitled to your your opinion (ad nauseum IMHO) but stop shoving it down our throats. I wish you would attach yourself to another pet peeve to keep you occupied.
bigguy
For fuck's sake, GIVE UP this friggen subject!! You are fully entitled to your your opinion (ad nauseum IMHO) but stop shoving it down our throats. I wish you would attach yourself to another pet peeve to keep you occupied.
bigguy
My son and I visited the Grand National Steeplechase event at Easter...in Liverpool England... 87,000 people...250 million pounds bet on the 5th race....'the big one'....3 horses die...many jockeys are hurt....AND that is an improvement over last year...sad...but true..
+1 no kidding - especially when she hasn't posted on this for 24h now lol
Public discourse in our day is so pathetic. The dumbing down of the media and politicians is a result of the dumbing down of the public. Now we are in a downward spiral as everybody is in a race to see who can be the dumbest, with the strongest opinion. They only get away with it because we let them. Way to go Assholes, lead the charge on the dumbing down of another debate.
You don't like her opinion, no problem. But you criticize because she provides content??? Are you serious???
And as long as I'm on my high horse, it would be nice if they had a button where you could opt-in for more of Shelby's photos. Oh my!
You don't like her opinion, no problem. But you criticize because she provides content??? Are you serious???
And as long as I'm on my high horse, it would be nice if they had a button where you could opt-in for more of Shelby's photos. Oh my!
haven't read the thread but here's a somewhat related story.
About two weeks ago I was watching a show about girls being kidnapped and turned into sex works near the US Mexcian border in Texas. Not 10 or 15 women, no there were hundreds The cops never had the resources to do anything more than occassionally look around and arrest the odd woman for prostitution in the hopes that she would testify against the men who kidnapped them. Since they were too scared to testify, not much happens about it.
But in the middle of all that, comes an ad from Sarah McLachlan, with the sad song about abandoned pets needing help and of course the show the sad eyed cat and sad eyed dog. Yet nobody gave a fuck about helping out these woman, about starting a campaign to help them get out of their situation, yet they're running this ultra professional commerical trying to get $$ for dogs and cats, all you have to do is pick up the phone and someone will gladly take your c.c. info. Then you get to watch more women getting raped and kidnapped and feel good that you donated to save a couple of animals.
It struck me as fairly warped in the scheme of things.
About two weeks ago I was watching a show about girls being kidnapped and turned into sex works near the US Mexcian border in Texas. Not 10 or 15 women, no there were hundreds The cops never had the resources to do anything more than occassionally look around and arrest the odd woman for prostitution in the hopes that she would testify against the men who kidnapped them. Since they were too scared to testify, not much happens about it.
But in the middle of all that, comes an ad from Sarah McLachlan, with the sad song about abandoned pets needing help and of course the show the sad eyed cat and sad eyed dog. Yet nobody gave a fuck about helping out these woman, about starting a campaign to help them get out of their situation, yet they're running this ultra professional commerical trying to get $$ for dogs and cats, all you have to do is pick up the phone and someone will gladly take your c.c. info. Then you get to watch more women getting raped and kidnapped and feel good that you donated to save a couple of animals.
It struck me as fairly warped in the scheme of things.
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I guess you could say the same about my posts.Just don’t read it if it bugs you.
i also heard the same story from my rodeo buddy, if these horses didn't find a home they would be put down.
i think there is some truth to it, not saying your mistaken but if people are getting the same story over and over there must be some truth to it.
"First they ignore you.
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
Then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi
Don't agree with MB a lot of the time - but seems to me people are just too lazy to digest her links and articles, all of which tend to be relevant, if cherry-picked and favourable to her position (which should surprise no one - what's she gonna do, pick links that don't?)
What's the difference between her post and seven's last post, a 655 word personal anecdote. Both are relevant, both are on topic.
The late alininburnaby was the same way, and yet took none of the flack for it, despite often being as oppositional as MB.
MB's general stubborn refusal to agree to disagree, I find, is in response to the general tendency for people to oversimplify and generalize based on 'ideology', rather than discuss the actual content of the issue.
My $0.02 - and to the first person who cries "white knight" - FUCK YOU
Thanks for restoring my faith in this place. lol
I definitely don't expect that people are going to agree with everything I say and even I change my mind about some things when I come across new info or read someone's argument that makes me reconsider my opinion. I don't feel threatened by reasoned arguments that I don't agree with. I think it's very telling that some people get so bent out of shape when they obviously don't have any sort of solid argument to add that supports their opinion or argues against mine. That's when it's easier to get personal and attack the person since they're incapable of doing any damage to the argument. It's not even a little bit subtle.
Haters gonna hate - that's what they do. I'm not about to lose any sleep over it.
HOT!!!
First, as I'm sure you're aware of, people on this board reeeeally like to complain. Complain when my posts are too long (which I assure you I write myself and the last thing that would apply in those cases is laziness, trust me), so I add quotes instead of repeating the whole thing (usually using far many words, which is something I can't help).
But then they complain when there are too many quotes, so instead I provide links instead of some quotes, leaving the reader an option to follow it, or not. Then even if the choice is entirely yours whether you follow one or any of the links suggested, this is still not good enough and draws complaints. This time, the complain is that there are too many links and that......means I'm just lazy.
So essentially, you're all complaining.... just to complain?!
I'm going to resist the temptation and not going to respond to each individual whiners and haters (even though I have plenty to say and would thoroughly enjoy the exercise) except for this one, because it's not even about me but about the way the internet works:
It really shouldn't need any explanations but I'll assume you simply don't spend much time on the internet reading blogs or various opinion and news sites, and that's why you erroneously assume it's something I just do because "I'm too lazy". Since I have read what I linked (often some time ago, and just bookmarked it for future access), unlike those who complain because they don't want to and won't read it - um, who's lazier here?. FYI - it's standard, universally accepted practice to include external links. Given that the reader can decide which, if any, of the links to follow, I'm really not sure what difference it possibly makes to those who have no intention of reading them in the first place (Evidently this is about complaining just to complain).
So... Possibly you might want to just learn how things work on the internet before going on the offensive. I didn't make it up and more information does not mean lazy - it means more information for those who might wish to read up on it. Welcome to 2012, gentlemen. Welcome to the internet! Don't dump on me because you're not used to the web format. Get out a little and take a stroll around the web (feel free to start with some of my links) and see how it works.
But hey! Maybe you can tell the BBC how lazy they are too?! :thumb:
Getting mad and making or taking it personally without bothering to engage in the debate or even give any consideration to what is said, falls way higher or the lazy scale. It's very telling that all of those who are doing the loudest whining, haven't even bothered to contribute anything to the debate.
I don't really care about changing anyone's mind, or about forcing my opinion on anyone (how is giving my opinion forcing anything on anyone? no one's forcing anyone to read it, so don't read it if you want to continue to ignore facts that are just too inconvenient for you to acknowledge - I don't personally care what you decide works for you) - do I really need to give examples of what "forcing my opinion on" anyone would actually look like in reality? Or are you aware and just like to dramatize for effect? I mean, puh-lease.
Ultimately, what I get from the whining fest is that these individuals would possibly (or maybe not even) be ok if I either: 1)sugar-coated everything I wrote and apologized for disagreeing or saying anything they don't like to hear 2)left out actual information about the topic so they could remain blissfully ignorant about certain aspects that are convenient for them to ignore 3)dumbed it down so that they didn't feel insecure about having no relevant arguments against mine or 4)simply nod, agree, smile (and maybe giggle and flip my hair once in a while), as I enthusiastically agree with whatever they say and marvel at their spectacular intellectual prowess.
And frankly, it also makes this place less boring and yes, I do find it hilarious to watch grown men get their frilly panties in a mess of a knot and stomp their feet like toddlers having a tantrum.
bleh. whiners, whiners, whiners..
It's a beautiful day, enjoy the sunshine...that's what I'm going to do now! Later, whiners!.
But then they complain when there are too many quotes, so instead I provide links instead of some quotes, leaving the reader an option to follow it, or not. Then even if the choice is entirely yours whether you follow one or any of the links suggested, this is still not good enough and draws complaints. This time, the complain is that there are too many links and that......means I'm just lazy.
So essentially, you're all complaining.... just to complain?!
I'm going to resist the temptation and not going to respond to each individual whiners and haters (even though I have plenty to say and would thoroughly enjoy the exercise) except for this one, because it's not even about me but about the way the internet works:
It really shouldn't need any explanations but I'll assume you simply don't spend much time on the internet reading blogs or various opinion and news sites, and that's why you erroneously assume it's something I just do because "I'm too lazy". Since I have read what I linked (often some time ago, and just bookmarked it for future access), unlike those who complain because they don't want to and won't read it - um, who's lazier here?. FYI - it's standard, universally accepted practice to include external links. Given that the reader can decide which, if any, of the links to follow, I'm really not sure what difference it possibly makes to those who have no intention of reading them in the first place (Evidently this is about complaining just to complain).
So... Possibly you might want to just learn how things work on the internet before going on the offensive. I didn't make it up and more information does not mean lazy - it means more information for those who might wish to read up on it. Welcome to 2012, gentlemen. Welcome to the internet! Don't dump on me because you're not used to the web format. Get out a little and take a stroll around the web (feel free to start with some of my links
) and see how it works. But hey! Maybe you can tell the BBC how lazy they are too?! :thumb:
Getting mad and making or taking it personally without bothering to engage in the debate or even give any consideration to what is said, falls way higher or the lazy scale. It's very telling that all of those who are doing the loudest whining, haven't even bothered to contribute anything to the debate.
I don't really care about changing anyone's mind, or about forcing my opinion on anyone (how is giving my opinion forcing anything on anyone? no one's forcing anyone to read it, so don't read it if you want to continue to ignore facts that are just too inconvenient for you to acknowledge - I don't personally care what you decide works for you) - do I really need to give examples of what "forcing my opinion on" anyone would actually look like in reality? Or are you aware and just like to dramatize for effect? I mean, puh-lease.
Ultimately, what I get from the whining fest is that these individuals would possibly (or maybe not even) be ok if I either: 1)sugar-coated everything I wrote and apologized for disagreeing or saying anything they don't like to hear 2)left out actual information about the topic so they could remain blissfully ignorant about certain aspects that are convenient for them to ignore 3)dumbed it down so that they didn't feel insecure about having no relevant arguments against mine or 4)simply nod, agree, smile (and maybe giggle and flip my hair once in a while), as I enthusiastically agree with whatever they say and marvel at their spectacular intellectual prowess.
And frankly, it also makes this place less boring and yes, I do find it hilarious to watch grown men get their frilly panties in a mess of a knot and stomp their feet like toddlers having a tantrum.
bleh. whiners, whiners, whiners..
It's a beautiful day, enjoy the sunshine...that's what I'm going to do now! Later, whiners!
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