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Fun for the whole family... Death for a few unlucky horses.

ThisEndUp

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Yup, that is exactly the point here. Nothing extreme at all. Seems like decent, pretty basic common sense.


Are you purposely making an insipid argument or is that unintentional? :confused:

You've already made it clear you enthusiastically support the use and abuse of horses in the name of entertainment and greed - so no big surprise there. But if you insist on sharing your position again, maybe you could come up with something a little more clever.

Or if you can't think of anything, you could also just not say anything at all.
So Melody is not allowed an opinion, or rather not allowed an opinion that is different from yours

Also, love your name calling "insepid"

What a piece of work...
 

luvsdaty

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Insipid? Are you making light of the fact that people ALSO lose their lives for your fun and entertainment? I pointed out a real fact, one that is conveniently overlooked by some people in the interest of their own blind beliefs. I've lost more jockey friends than I have horses to this sport, think about that a little bit.
You may have lost more jockey friends to the sport, but they made the decision to ride of there own free will.They knew the risks just as well as the next person.If a person wants to take death defying risks, more power to them, but why do you have to involve other people, animals for your own entertainment?
 

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True story, I've seen what happens when you try and force them if they really don't want to do it. :fear:
I meant the "...3 times your size" directed at your esteemed friend. A Thoroughbred weighs 1,500-2,000 lbs, right?

PS: Does anyone know how many beautiful, magnificent feedlot steers were killed to keep up with demand for BBQ beef on a bun sammies at the Stampede this year? Should've just set up a BBQ Horse kiosk to handle the ones that didnt fare so well in the races. Leaner than beef!

Selected nutrients per 100 g (3.5 oz)[39]
Food source Calories Protein Fat Iron Sodium Cholesterol
Game meat, horse, raw 133 21 g 5 g 3.8 mg 53 mg 52 mg
Beef, sirloin, raw 140 21 g 7 g 1.7 mg 53 mg 42 mg
 

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Just Something to Think About:

Where is man without the beasts? If the beasts were gone,men would die from a great loneliness of spirit. For whatever happens to the beasts soon happens to man.

All things are connected. This we know. The Earth does not belong to man; Man belongs to the Earth. This we know. All things are connected like the blood that unites one family.

All things are connected. Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons and daughters of the earth. Man Did Not Weave The Web Of Life, He Is Merely A Strand In It. Whatever He Does To The Web...He Does To Himself. Chief Seattle
 

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This is unfortunate and I hate to see any animal die this way, however I always wonder why our society insists on treating animals as though they're humans. We do it with our dogs, cats, birds, horses, and any number of other species.

An excellent post.

I think it's worth mentioning that these horses are ones that have been retired from regular racing and weren't special enough to warrant a second career as a stud. The ones in these chuck wagon races are ones that otherwise would have been slaughtered years ago.
 

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I've lost more jockey friends than I have horses to this sport, think about that a little bit.

Really? I have to say that really shocks me. I don't suppose WCB has any statistics on this, but maybe some other agency does.


One other thing I've learned from this thread is that Ms Bijou doesn't have her detractors by chance. She works pretty damned hard at cultivating them.
 

vancity_cowboy

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I see your point, I don't deny the difference.

I just wish you guys could have seen horses like Shacane or Lilsisterlightning race. Or JV Bennet, I <3 old ben, I know the girl who has him still. These horses love to race, I remember seeing Lilsisterlightning racing my first year at the track and she's what made me realize how much some of them love it. I saw a close up of her racing, almost at the wire. She was a teeny tiny unassuming little thing, racing horses that were (on paper) from WAY higher class than her (in breeding, racing history, workouts etc), but she didn't know that or care, all she knew was that she loved winning. If she got her nose in front that race could go on for miles and you wouldn't beat her. When you see the close up of them head to head racing to the wire and you see the other horse pass her a tiny bit, that little mare would pin her ears back and get the most determined fierce look on her face and dig in until her nose was back in front.

Sure, she may not have known racing if we didn't show her, but she sure loved it once we did.
horses know racing instictively mel. they might not know the formalized version of racing that we practice, but i've seen herds of wild horses in the american southwest look up from their grazing like somebody blew on a bugle and take off at a full gallop, racing to see which one is the fastest. and there was plenty of shoving and nipping in the pack as well. they are competitive as all get out, i think it's kind of a dominance/pecking order thing. all we've done is selectively breed the fastest and the most handleable, put a tough-ass, skinny little runt on their backs, and sit back and enjoy the show

if they weren't doing it in front of us, they would be doing it for each other in the pasture or in the desert
 

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Really? I have to say that really shocks me. I don't suppose WCB has any statistics on this, but maybe some other agency does.


One other thing I've learned from this thread is that Ms Bijou doesn't have her detractors by chance. She works pretty damned hard at trolling to get them.
Fixed that for ya ;)

SR
 

skiguru

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Actually, many of the retired race horses from the track are good for much other than pasture decor or meat. They would never make a good horse for your 12 year old daughter as they're far too high strung (like some people) and would never be used as a dude horse for the same reason, and also because all they want to do is run, preferably in the front of the pack.

MM would be the one to correct me if I'm wrong here, but race horses are also trained differently and are extremely difficult to retrain for pleasure use. The main reason being the way they respond to the reins and bit; race horses are trained to run faster the harder you pull on the reins, whereas most other horses are trained the exact opposite.

I prefer not to use the term "breaking a horse". It has negative connotations and comes from the old cowboy days where in order to make a horse rideable, you literally broke his spirit. Nowadays it's all about thinking like the horse and handling him the way he would expect to be handled by the herd boss. I have a friend who was trying to "break" his horse the old-fashioned cowboy way in a round pen - lot's of yelling and cracking of the whip. I asked him if I could try. I stepped in and after a short time I have his horse walking , trotting, galloping, turning in the other direction and stopping, all without making a sound, using a whip, or coming within 10 feet of the horse; a step forward here, backward there, a slight turn of the shoulders. That's all it takes. He was amazed and is now a convert. I'm glad because now his relationship with his animal is based on trust rather than fear. There's an exceptional movie called "Buck", about horse trainer Buck Brannaman that provides some good insight into this process and I would encourage anyone with an open mind to watch it.

It sounds corny, but it's like the dog whisperer.

I think Miss Bijou has a right to her opinion and I respect that, however I think she's being far too radical and closed minded about it. She has a vision in her mind of how she would feel if she were a horse and isn't willing to accept that reality might be a little different. The world is full of bleeding hearts and they serve a purpose in our society, however I have a hard time with those who are unwilling to accept that things might not be what they appear and insist on cramming their hard line views down my throat.

Incidentally, I wonder what Miss Bijou's thoughts are on the hardliners that feel that all women involved in the sex trade are abused and forced into it and that this industry should be abolished at all costs? Would she expect them to believe her if she told them she enjoys what she's doing?
 

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i just came back from feeding my horse,
i bought him like eight years ago or so, he was a retired show horse. old and crippled to old to compete but fine for light riding which we did.
i rode him for i guess four or so years just lightly around the farm and an occasional trail ride, he was a tired and grumpy sort of old soul this horse, which people said was alot like me, we actually got along understood each other,
the horse hasn't been rode for like two years now, he just wanders around the farm and grazes, and gets old and fat. sees a vet twice a year.

horses actually do become pets, people who compete with there horese actually treat them better then most people or a lot of people treat there kids
not everyone or all horses for sure, but they do become pets and are loved especially competition horses they are treated and pampered better then most people get treated,

ah all you bleeding hearts should go and find a homeless person and take care of them or some one in a low income very needy situation turn your energy to them,
i can assure you these horses the majority of them are treated exceptionally well.
and yes accidents do happen horses have heart attacks and broken legs or burst blood vessels
but so does any person playing any sport,
the iron man competition in pentiction every year people have its common very common heart atttacks

shit im an old fart i could have a heart attack the next time i see my sp. some one should stop me.

and i don't appreciate people changing my posts by the way.

i kind of think yea your entitled to feel the way you do, but seriously there are more important things to worry about then a horse in the calgary stampede,
and if you feel that way you should be a total vegan if your not your kind of a hypocrite.

i worked a couple years on a chicken factory farm, i drove truck to the meat plant like forty years ago, you should be worried about those poor chickens next time you go to kfc.
most horses have a better life then any basic farm animal i can assure you so kind of get over it.
 

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And small town kids have the internet like any other kid, you know.

Are you sure of this? I know you may find this hard to believe, but dial-up still exists in rural BC. Are you old enough to remember dial-up? Ever try to watch YouTube on dial-up? This is inhumane. You should send a letter to the CRTC and explain to them the inhumane conditions these country kids are having to live in, what with not having the opportunity to sit on their asses all day playing computer games and watching Youtube. In fact, all that fresh air and exercise is probably downright unhealthy.

If I wasn't trying to be polite, I'd tell you to get off your high horse and get a grip on reality. LOL

In fact, your horse is probably getting tired and needs the break. Don't forget to cool him down and feed him first, it's not good to put a hard-ridden horse away wet.
 

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Thanks MM. I agree with you that former race horses are retrainable - for the right rider. However, the problem I see existing with race horses turned dude horses is what happens when you put fat Uncle Ralph on an old race horse and something spooks the horse and fat Uncle Ralph yards back on the reins. There's some chance that in the heat of the moment, the horse will revert to its' old ways and bolt for the finish line. This would be quite an experience for fat Uncle Ralph.

I was out riding with friends this spring and one of the horses was getting pretty lathered up because he really wanted to just run and wasn't being allowed to. Anyway we come to a huge puddle and he decides to lay down in it. The young girl is yelling "what do I do?". I say "get off and kick his ass!". You and I know some people would think this is cruel, but it's necessary.

Maybe one day when I'm down your way, we could go for a ride. Afterward, we could go see some horses too!
 

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Never gone packing with a mule, although I have a friend with mules who swears by them. Unfortunately, I have a hard time lately getting out even for a short ride, never mind a pack trip. I haven't chased cows since I was a kid on my Uncle's farm. I only just got back into horses a few years ago and life is good now. I went many years nowhere near a horse because my ex wife hated them and was scared of them. She's gone now and life is good. I tell people I got rid of the cow and bought a horse, lol.

While I enjoy watching, I've never really given much thought to how I feel about the welfare of rodeo horses. What are your thoughts here?
 

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What a celebration!
A barbaric tradition to be proud of! :thumb: And the 2012 edition did not disappoint:

The spectators sure got their money's worth: 3 horses dead and one injured - all in one race. That's what I call entertainment. Knock 'em dead, Cowboys!

(Honestly though, they shouldn't hide the horses when they euthanize them - if people want to pay and support that shit, they should get their money's worth and watch the horses die too! Let them be entertained until the end, eh?! :rolleyes:)









Really?








Oh Yeah? Lots of good that did the horses.... Now that they're DEAD!

How about you just race your kids instead next year then?









No kidding! Hello?

Albert Einstein: 'Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.'



Enough already FFS! I mean, horses die EVERY single year in that race. Not sure what could be any more convincing than that. It's just beyond stupid now.

http://www.vancouverhumanesociety.bc.ca/campaigns/the-calgary-stampede/
Sounds like motorsport. Any time you have large numbers of vehicles moving as fast as they can in close proximity, you are going to get crashes and fatalities.
 

sevenofnine

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the sun went down on calgary and a half mile of hell.

i took in the chucks last night and with all the mud there were no deaths or even any kind of incidents
i am not really a big fan of chucks but to me i guess it is the same as any horse race that is what it basicly is a horse race, except its a team of horses and a wagon.

horses die or can and have died during pretty much any and all horse races,, so i guess things like the triple crown should be banned and the breeders cup should be to.

maybe even pleasure riding because big fat uncle ralf the horse he is riding might have a heart attack
 

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Saying the horses are well taken care of - except when they get maimed or killed - is like saying a prisoner eats well before his execution - so fucking what?

Saying some horses love to run and are competitive misses major points.

No horse hooks itself up to a chuckwagon, no horse likes to get whipped or kicked, no horse has a say in the activity, no horse would choose to pull something on a crowded track at full speed.

Really, would the world be a worse place if there was no chuckwagon races?

Rodeos in general are archaic and violent, but that's always what people want - death, violence and mayhem.

At least with MMA or kick boxing the participants have voluntarily participated. Animals are forced into cock fighting, dog fighting, bear baiting and rodeos.
 

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1,400,000 + people attended the Calgary Stampede this year for the Centennial and from polls the Stampede got a 96% rating of satisfaction from the populace that participated in the Stampede and that is not counting the Stampede Parade or the other numerous Stampede breakfasts held throughout the city.Bottom line is the Stampede is the greatest outdoor show on earth and the rodeo is not going to be cancelled to make some special interest group happy.It does get modified/changed for safety though,this year each chuckwagon team had only 1 outrider instead of 2 for added safety reasons and that brought down the number of animal fatalities signifigantly.

If you like the Stampede then go an enjoy it.....if you dont like the Stampede because you feel that animals are abused then do go but please STFU whining about it as IT WILL NOT GO AWAY.

SR
 

Cock Throppled

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Yeah, it wouldn't do for anyone to actually "whine" about showing concern for the maimed and killed animals to spoil the fun.

Rodeos show the difference between farmers and cowboys.
 

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What reason is there for animal racing now that we have cars?
 
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