Shocking, I know. Who would have imagined the meat industrial complex and factory farming industry *gasp* wasn't sustainable?! Never saw it coming....
Food shortages could force world into vegetarianism, warn scientists
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Shocking, I know. Who would have imagined the meat industrial complex and factory farming industry *gasp* wasn't sustainable?! Never saw it coming....
lol I guess we can work on finishing of those not already extinct? Maybe the millions of cats and dogs that are euthanized in Canada and the US could instead be fed to people who really want to keep meat as such a big part of their diet? Rats? 9Billion is a lot of people eating already dwindling population of wild animals (probably even more dwindling by 2050 as they're running out of places to live since we keep moving in and kicking them out...or killing them.)
Just sayin'...
Er... Salt water doesn't seem to appeal to the food supplies we prefer -- or to us. Fresh water is an entirely different problem.
These stats and projections are true; however the implementation of them will be radically different. The next few decades will see famine on a scale that makes the 1990s and 2000s African famines seem minuscule. But the famine will only strike select parts of the world.
But as someone who likes to read history and tries to learn from it, I also feel unfortunately confident that in the next few decades we'll see war shift from money (Cuba, Nicaragua) and oil (Kuwait, Iraq) interests to food and water interests. Canada's got a vast store of the world's fresh water supply. We will have an interesting next few decades for sure.
But as someone who likes to read history and tries to learn from it, I also feel unfortunately confident that in the next few decades we'll see war shift from money (Cuba, Nicaragua) and oil (Kuwait, Iraq) interests to food and water interests. Canada's got a vast store of the world's fresh water supply. We will have an interesting next few decades for sure.
1) I agree with the sentiment that we need to find a way to slow down and eventually stop population growth. Educating women in poor countries is an important part of that, but not the only part.
2) I also have had it in my mind for a long time that there will likely be wars over water, and one of my long term goals is to be ready for that possibility if it comes to our doorstep.
It may seem cold, but whenever something happens such as the 2006 tsunami that killed over 200,000 people, when looking at it from a globabl perspective I see it as a good thing as it reduces the human population and the geometric growth those people would have represented. (Please don't think this means I am not saddened by the individual human tragedies in these events).
Another part of me thinks that mother nature will find a way to protect herself from us, likely in the form of a pandemic flu that wipes out a large portion of the population.
2) I also have had it in my mind for a long time that there will likely be wars over water, and one of my long term goals is to be ready for that possibility if it comes to our doorstep.
It may seem cold, but whenever something happens such as the 2006 tsunami that killed over 200,000 people, when looking at it from a globabl perspective I see it as a good thing as it reduces the human population and the geometric growth those people would have represented. (Please don't think this means I am not saddened by the individual human tragedies in these events).
Another part of me thinks that mother nature will find a way to protect herself from us, likely in the form of a pandemic flu that wipes out a large portion of the population.
...or it could be that oxfam and the un are trolling for MORE money. if i remember correctly, in 1972 the club of rome said we were supposed to run out of food within 20 years. in order to prevent this imminent disaster we were encouraged to support their plan for a 'new world order'
well, we didn't run out of food in 1992, but the un is still agitating for a new world order, and apparently they've bullied a bunch of swedish scientists to talk about diminishing water supplies
i'm from missouri, show me...
well, we didn't run out of food in 1992, but the un is still agitating for a new world order, and apparently they've bullied a bunch of swedish scientists to talk about diminishing water supplies
i'm from missouri, show me...
+1 to what he said. Agri-science was in the stone ages in '72 compared to just 10 years later. For good or ill, our ability to produce more food has grown exponentially since then, because of things like GM food and clear cutting entire swaths of the Amazon rainforest and other areas. The problem with all of this is it isn't self-sustaining or ever expandable. We're hitting limits now because of the effects these things have caused to the environment etc.
What cowboy said was akin to people denying global warming because the spring was unusually cool. No offense meant.
Meh,i got my.338,.22 & 12 ga. so i'll have elk, grouse & duck coming out my ying yang oh & all the fish i could ever possibly eat.
They'll still need someone to cook and clean up after them.
The world's population will not keep growing at the present rate. In fact, the rate of increase has been slowing for a while now.
Here is a fascinating statistical analysis from Hans Rosling.
http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_religions_and_babies.html
I believe many in the developing world have large families so that there is someone to take care of them when they are elderly.
The 2.4 average was for a specific country example. (I forgot the country.)
The global average has reached 2 children per woman, down from 6 children per woman 50 years ago. As the present trend indicates, the child rate will continue to decrease. The world's population will peak at 10 billion, and then will decline after that. Proven scientifically as he showed.
Some specific countries such as Afghanistan and Congo are still increasing populations due to social factors, (war, poverty, lack of education and opportunities), but on a global level, the population will start to decline once it hits around 10 billion.
I'm willing to bet he is very good in math. I've heard a number of his presentations.
At the end of the day the question that needs to be answered is how do we feed the additional people without increasing the amount of land for Agriculture? One is through research and development, developing better genetics as well as ensuring a balanced nutrition program for livestock. I've worked with the number of people being around 10 billion by 2050 and then with that we will need twice as much food to sustain the population. Part the reason we need twice as much food is the development of the third world economies, China, India, and Brazil all have more and more people becoming part of the middle class in those countries, they now have more disposable income hence able to buy more food.
PETA's mandate which is absolutely assinine is to eliminate any and all livestock production. They use to be just for the reduction of cruelty to animals but like most things have taken it too far the other way.
Think of it this way, looking just at hog production... The most important aspect for a female to get pregnant and carry that pregnancy to term is not to be over stressed. If she is over stressed she will not conceive. So back to hogs it wasn't too long ago that a Sow having 20 piglets per year was a good number today if they are not producing 30 piglets per sow per year then you are not being productive or profitable, soon we will need to see the sow producing 40 pigs per sow. Now if the sows were stressed they would not be producing anywhere near these numbers so for the most part livestock producers are doing things right. They are helping feed the world.
PETA's mandate which is absolutely assinine is to eliminate any and all livestock production. They use to be just for the reduction of cruelty to animals but like most things have taken it too far the other way.
Think of it this way, looking just at hog production... The most important aspect for a female to get pregnant and carry that pregnancy to term is not to be over stressed. If she is over stressed she will not conceive. So back to hogs it wasn't too long ago that a Sow having 20 piglets per year was a good number today if they are not producing 30 piglets per sow per year then you are not being productive or profitable, soon we will need to see the sow producing 40 pigs per sow. Now if the sows were stressed they would not be producing anywhere near these numbers so for the most part livestock producers are doing things right. They are helping feed the world.
From an environmental standpoint (especially factoring in population growth and dwindling resources), vegetarian or vegan is the only way to go. Unfortunately, my own opinion is this is far from ideal from a health standpoint.
egg head scientists i wish they would just shut the hell up.
there was a guy who postulated i can't remember his name but he suggested that pose a scientific problem and like shortage of what ever and science and money will find a solution and time of course.
some one suggested we can't or won;t have electicity due to copper shortages for transimission lines. guess what
they use aluminimum now
what ever happened to that disscussion on peak oil, we have lots of oil its just dam expensive.
there is a guy working on a water purifiyer he is in calgary i believe
takes salt water and makes it usuable for plants. very cheap.
there engineering crops to work or grow in bad soil conditions.
i just came back from a holiday drove through alberta sasketchewan and manatoba
the dakoto's and montana a lot of land a hell of a lot of land. sure some land was dry dead.
but from a guy who has owned lake front property for thirty plus years some years its dry some years its wet. not to worry
sure in developing countries high density developing countries there going to face many problems, but guess what they do today, they don't eat a lot of meat.
canada the states. low density with a lot of land. you should see the hay bails just sitting going to waste. and all the unused land.
scientists should know what there talking about before they speak
but i think its a case if well we have to same somthing. so people notice them
there was a guy who postulated i can't remember his name but he suggested that pose a scientific problem and like shortage of what ever and science and money will find a solution and time of course.
some one suggested we can't or won;t have electicity due to copper shortages for transimission lines. guess what
they use aluminimum now
what ever happened to that disscussion on peak oil, we have lots of oil its just dam expensive.
there is a guy working on a water purifiyer he is in calgary i believe
takes salt water and makes it usuable for plants. very cheap.
there engineering crops to work or grow in bad soil conditions.
i just came back from a holiday drove through alberta sasketchewan and manatoba
the dakoto's and montana a lot of land a hell of a lot of land. sure some land was dry dead.
but from a guy who has owned lake front property for thirty plus years some years its dry some years its wet. not to worry
sure in developing countries high density developing countries there going to face many problems, but guess what they do today, they don't eat a lot of meat.
canada the states. low density with a lot of land. you should see the hay bails just sitting going to waste. and all the unused land.
scientists should know what there talking about before they speak
but i think its a case if well we have to same somthing. so people notice them
