Well said...
And with that we can now conclude this thread...
Thanks to all for participating...
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And with that we can now conclude this thread...
Thanks to all for participating...
But there isn't an appointment if it wasn't confirmed.
At first, my exercise was of appointment protocol from the perspective of both parties to see how they stood and instead I came out of it with more knowledge.
Like many of you, I'd like to get all the details before making a final judgement. I tend to get leery of negative reviews on SPs and so I would ask the questions usually being the the first SP to challenge what's been posted. I have been disappointed with how time had played out for a couple of SPs and that's their business, but I wouldn't feel right letting a SP go down for impatience or malice on the posters part. It would appear that my asking the one pertinent question would expose and have those viewing learn of the SPs personal policy on such matters. Details speak volumes. I can't be anything but proud of asking for more info. One poster even had to say this:
It is wrong, and I'm not going to let any SP go down like that.
What inevitably happened to Pantsnake sucked huge as the SP in question hasn't still, that we know of, gotten in touch with him. Not that it would make a difference now. But until she had posted on PERB since Pantsnake had posted his rant, the SP had no obligation to pick the phone to confirm the appointment, nor did the PERBert that didn't pick up the phone to confirm with me or anyone that tried to book in advance and didn't show. What would have been proper etiquette, as you state, is for the SP to return correspondence after the failed attempt and not the sheer act of picking up the phone to confirm.
What inevitably happened to Pantsnake sucked huge as the SP in question hasn't still, that we know of, gotten in touch with him. Not that it would make a difference now. But until she had posted on PERB since Pantsnake had posted his rant, the SP had no obligation to pick the phone to confirm the appointment, nor did the PERBert that didn't pick up the phone to confirm with me
Honestly, I don't get it Steph! This was exactly what I was speaking of. You started a thread because you were stood up about a member of this board... here, you clearly are stating you had no reason to be upset????
Here's the thing. I really do appreciate your energy and the effort you go to supporting all SP's on this board. But as Aznboi said, respect and common courtesy is a two way street.
For whatever reason when you are challenged, instead of appreciating someone's different views you respond with a lengthy defense. The main reason I have never responded in one of this " is confirmed -isn't it confirmed" threads is your simply draining.
I still believe that similar to your position of gathering the facts on a poor review that before coming to the defense of a SP who has missed an appointment you get all the facts. As I said, many ladies including myself do not handle appointments the same. Unless it is in writing via a website or advertisment, there is no way to know a ladies policies, and defending such is inappropriate.
At the end of the day, each lady is responsible for her business and while I appreciate your continued efforts regarding safety and respect in this industry, it is inaccurate to assume you can defend anyone based on your policies
I am sure there will be a long reply, please don't Stephanie... I have no ill will towards you, I truly don't but it gets rather frustrating when you seem so determined not to even consider another point of view.
Honestly, I don't get it Steph! This was exactly what I was speaking of. You started a thread because you were stood up about a member of this board... here, you clearly are stating you had no reason to be upset????
Here's the thing. I really do appreciate your energy and the effort you go to supporting all SP's on this board. But as Aznboi said, respect and common courtesy is a two way street.
For whatever reason when you are challenged, instead of appreciating someone's different views you respond with a lengthy defense. The main reason I have never responded in one of this " is confirmed -isn't it confirmed" threads is your simply draining.
I still believe that similar to your position of gathering the facts on a poor review that before coming to the defense of a SP who has missed an appointment you get all the facts. As I said, many ladies including myself do not handle appointments the same. Unless it is in writing via a website or advertisment, there is no way to know a ladies policies, and defending such is inappropriate.
At the end of the day, each lady is responsible for her business and while I appreciate your continued efforts regarding safety and respect in this industry, it is inaccurate to assume you can defend anyone based on your policies
I am sure there will be a long reply, please don't Stephanie... I have no ill will towards you, I truly don't but it gets rather frustrating when you seem so determined not to even consider another point of view.
Only by your standard of protocol which not every SP follows. This has been the crux of every debate that you’ve involved yourself in and the point which you still don’t seem to get.
You have come into pretty much every single debate on the stance that your procedure for booking appointments is the norm, where an appointment is not considered made unless a confirmation call is made in follow up to said appointment booking. It is not. Most SP’s, by my experience, follow the convention that when an appointment is booked, it is considered made and both parties should have the expectation of showing up at the agreed upon time slot. If events require a change in or cancellation of appointment time, then the courteous thing to do is to call and notify the other party. To do otherwise, barring extraordinary circumstances, which happen from time to time, is simply rude, regardless of whether it’s the pooner or SP.
This is no different than making an appointment to the MD, lawyer, hairstylist, pet groomer, plumber etc… the vast majority of professions all follow the above outlined procedure. Understandably, the expectations of this convention are therefore extrapolated to the escorting world when doing likewise. Would a confirmation call be nice? Of course, but it is not a necessary criterion. And don’t try to say that “Well, escorting is different because it involves fucking and diddling pussies and pissing on each other and sticking fingers up asses and good stuff like that”. It is not; the type of service provided is immaterial.
Now, if an SP follows your method of booking, then that’s perfectly fine. S/he should simply make it clear from the beginning that “no confirmation = no appointment”, then she’s clear if the pooner doesn’t follow her directions. But if she doesn’t and she simply flakes out, or the pooner bails without calling, they’ve been extremely inconsiderate.
All other points that you’ve brought up are otherwise irrelevant.
I'm out.
At the end of the day YOUR OWN POLICY bite you in the ass.
There's a lesson for you in here... you can choose to learn it, or ignore it.
gilmore, good luck with that request...
Economy with words has never been her strong suit...
Come to think of it, neither has logic...
By the way CLM, is it possible to make an appointment and confirm it at the same time...
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Very well reasoned and stated, but simply beyond the scope of her understanding...
I'm sure another Magna Carta post beckons...
You still don't get it
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People, I wasn't referring to my booking policy as the way to go. That was not my quest. I referred to it as an example. I did use another, again, as an example for a week. This wasn't even about me.
The point after all this was that there was no obligation from both parties. Only now are some of us the same page. Noted below:
Thank you for getting point I was trying to make across, aznboi9.
All we heard about until now is "his responsibility", "her responsibility" but there wasn't any obligation to be found. The experiment didn't fail it yeilded a different answer one of etittquette mainly courtesy and consideration.
Thank you, thank you, thank you aznboi9, you got my point across.
I was using a different policy for that appointment.
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People, I wasn't referring to my booking policy as the way to go. That was not my quest. I referred to it as an example. I did use another, again, as an example for a week. This wasn't even about me.
The point after all this was that there was no obligation from both parties. Only now are some of us the same page. Noted below:
Until now, what we had seen were threads describing the appointment that couldn't, as unprofessional. In those threads comments from people condemning the SP that without key questions.aznboi9 said:
Thank you for getting point I was trying to make across, aznboi9.
I can't exactly post results of something experimental without how I got there. And again I was using myself as an example with a result that I wouldn't have imagined but it affects and is applied to everyone. Regardless of how a SP books their appointment, it isn't their responsibility or the clients to see it through, but it is the most courteous thing to have contact with the party if there is/was an interrruption.aznboi9 said:
All we heard about until now is "his responsibility", "her responsibility" but there wasn't any obligation to be found. The experiment didn't fail it yeilded a different answer one of etittquette mainly courtesy and consideration.
Thank you, thank you, thank you aznboi9, you got my point across.
I responded to the now 'locked' thread which at the time wasn't locked and allowed my rebuttle to be posted... it's now disappeared.
I'm also somewhat confused as to how a posted response can 'disappear' into thin air and the thread suddenly become locked.
Enquiring minds
Incase you didn't know, an advertiser here does have the ability to lock a thread it's an option when you post, etc.I responded to the now 'locked' thread which at the time wasn't locked and allowed my rebuttle to be posted... it's now disappeared.
I'm also somewhat confused as to how a posted response can 'disappear' into thin air and the thread suddenly become locked.
Enquiring minds
As for having posts removed, a moderator can remove them. Or If you delete a thread, the rest of the replies are gone as well.
That's how things happen.
Ahh... didn't know that!! Thanks Ashley, that explains it all, I guess the thread was deleted after my response and then reposted and locked.
Just to bring out a minor point here, just in case its been overlooked.
That is, whoever won the arguement here dont mean jackshit in the real (pooning) world.
That is, whoever won the arguement here dont mean jackshit in the real (pooning) world.
There was a suggestion that I had overlooked and after reading it, it made perfect sense to lock it.I responded to the now 'locked' thread which at the time wasn't locked and allowed my rebuttle to be posted... it's now disappeared.
I'm also somewhat confused as to how a posted response can 'disappear' into thin air and the thread suddenly become locked.
Enquiring minds
Your post didn't bother me if anything, it made wonder why anyone (you) making a statement about not wanting to be the centre of attention would post on a public forum and be a paid advertiser at that. Very shrewd.
Please do understand this...
this was not about me or my policies. This was not about a comparison of policies. I just used current cases and me as an example only.
I believe in telling people what a result was and how I got there. Forgive me for taking this longer than expected but then again all of you that continue to post on this very thread are only exasperating the one thing you all have an issue with, this thread. To let it die is to move onto another thread and not post.
I have a problem with not being able to get to my point in an expedited fashion, and I am learning to do something about it.
As said before, regardless of how a SP books their appointments it is not the only thing what can be neglected courtesy. Common courtesy can also be found in all aspects of this circumstance itself such as even showing up for an appointment from either party, informing the other party of STI results after a condom slippage, etc. There isn't any obligation on either party for anything, it's just common courtesy and consideration not a responsibility, as the person expressing the courtesy feels responsible in doing so. This sort of thing you can't tell someone to do. You can't tell someone how to feel.
Just as much as you all would like for me to just shush right now you could look to consider what I just said here. Man, I hope you do. Like everyone here I imagine, I just want to be heard and understood.
this was not about me or my policies. This was not about a comparison of policies. I just used current cases and me as an example only.
I believe in telling people what a result was and how I got there. Forgive me for taking this longer than expected but then again all of you that continue to post on this very thread are only exasperating the one thing you all have an issue with, this thread. To let it die is to move onto another thread and not post.
I have a problem with not being able to get to my point in an expedited fashion, and I am learning to do something about it.
As said before, regardless of how a SP books their appointments it is not the only thing what can be neglected courtesy. Common courtesy can also be found in all aspects of this circumstance itself such as even showing up for an appointment from either party, informing the other party of STI results after a condom slippage, etc. There isn't any obligation on either party for anything, it's just common courtesy and consideration not a responsibility, as the person expressing the courtesy feels responsible in doing so. This sort of thing you can't tell someone to do. You can't tell someone how to feel.
Just as much as you all would like for me to just shush right now you could look to consider what I just said here. Man, I hope you do. Like everyone here I imagine, I just want to be heard and understood.
Well stated CLM.
Why don't we just leave this as follows: if you book an appointment and have to cancel, let the other party know. That should apply to clients as well as SPs. It's a professional relationship and should be treated that way.
Why don't we just leave this as follows: if you book an appointment and have to cancel, let the other party know. That should apply to clients as well as SPs. It's a professional relationship and should be treated that way.
