First date - WTF IS GOING ON HERE?!?!?

huggzy

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OK boys. My mind is about to fucking explode. You gotta tell me what's going on here because I've never heard this one before.

I went on a first date with a woman last week.

She was by far and away the most attractive girl I've been out with since my first wife. She's younger than me by about 8 years. She has a decent job but is going to nursing school part-time too so should have good future career prospects, but living in Vancouver she's just scraping by on her current wages right now. I'm not sure she knows what I do because she hasn't asked and I don't recall telling her but I earn far more than she does.

I'm certain that she had as awesome a time as I did on this date as the conversation was fantastic and there was lots of laughter and chemistry going. A little touching and alot of smiling and talk about future get-togethers was had.

I had felt like having a good steak that night so I had earlier asked if she was ok with us going to Hy's. She didn't blink and was cool with that. Of course in this day and age where no one knows how to deal with feminism, chivalry and paying for the bill I have all but assumed the check would come to me...I don't give it alot of thought. (I've only experienced a couple times where the date actually asked to split the bill but its always a weird experience because you feel like you have to decline it and it becomes some weird negotiation because you don't know if she's just testing you and all the bullshit that goes with it, etc.)

So at the end of dinner I ask for the bill. I'm sure its probably coming out to about $150 or so.

The waiter tells me its been paid and I'm a bit miffed. "By who?" He just thanked us for coming to their restaurant without acknowledging my question and left us (and thinking back he had a smile on his face too I'm sure). I'm still wondering and look at my date. She's got a nice smile on her but is looking coyly away.

"You paid for this?!?! The whole thing??!?! WTF?!?!" The thoughts racing through my head were a bit of a jumble...I couldn't figure out if I should be thrilled or completely emasculated...I've never even considered how I would react if my date paid for the whole thing, only if she offered to pay for half the bill. I knew that $150 would be a hefty bill for her and this would be a hit for her.

I had to ask her what she was doing and why would she do this, and that I really should insist on paying at minimum half of the bill. That I just had to do that at least. And why would she sneak off and do this before the bill came so that I could at least have a chance to offer. And she wouldn't take it but instead offered me her arm and an explanation as we walked out to the car...

Feminism has fucked up the entire dating culture and it has become a bit of a war between the sexes, and the first date whose paying the bill bullshit has really complicated shit up for both women and men. That song and dance walking on glass crap had become this whole test between everyone and it seems that no one can win no matter whether the man pays the whole bill or the woman pays for half, or if one or the other is feigning to cover the woman's share.

She had a long talk about this thing with her father who gave to her advice (what he called a little "trick") to blow a guy's mind. He said eliminate the bullshit. If you like the guy pay the whole bill on the first date but don't do it in front of him.

Don't get into this feigning, negotiating, bullshit back and forth with him at check time at the dinner table because no one can win then. Do it beforehand so that its done and handled. And then tell him he can look after the second date if they go on one. If your date treated you well but you don't foresee a second date do the right thing and pay for half. If the guy's a douchebag...well anything is fair game then and see how much he will pay then. He said to her "I promise you that you will reap the rewards for this."

He told her that no woman does this shit...but she said her father always tells her that she's not just any woman either. She decided that she liked this tack because it was as fair as any other scenario.

I'm not sure I could walk straight after that. I couldn't care less about the $150 or $75 or whatever. The gesture though...wtf?!?!? My head was exploding...the feminist brainwashing our society has been whitewashed with has completely had me unprepared for this kind of thing!!!! Because now not only did I like her but now I like her father too...


What the fuck is going on here boys????? Is this a trap??????? Am I going to get sucked down into some sort of black hole and have my soul ripped away from me?!?!?!?

Scared to shit. Tell me what's going on.
 

huggzy

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I think you’re over thinking things. Be happy she paid for your meal obviously she likes ya. Its as simple as that. If someone paid for my meal I wouldnt argue especially if they went out of their way to do it without you knowing.
Don't let the over-the-top story telling get in the way of the point though. I'm blown away by a female mindset that approaches dating where:

a) I like him...pay the whole bill. He pays the next.
b) Decent guy...no second date. Split it.
c) Don't like the guy, he's a dick...whatever.

I've never seen a female with that take on the first date. Has anyone else seen that? Note that a $10 coffee would be different than a $150 dinner bill too.
 

huggzy

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This girl paid for the entire dinner because she likes you and you're complaining it? WTF is wrong with you? If anything, this is a positive aspect of feminism. Women and men should be equals, which includes finances. Drop the machismo and the insecurities around outdated male vs. female values and be thankful you've met a woman like this.
Holy shit bro. Facetiousness...learn it. Of course I liked it.
 

NEbaD

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Ya I wouldn't chalk this up to feminism, I'd chalk it up to a good father. I can totally understand where you're coming from with respect to not knowing what the protocol in terms of dating in today's world, but in this instance, you found a nice woman who you find really attractive, who additionally managed to keep you on your toes (maybe back on your heels would be more appropriate?) with this neat gesture, which also provided you with a great talking point and left you with a clear sense that she had as great a time as you did. Just enjoy it, you lucky donkey!

Finally, I'm willing to wager that her father, who was savvy enough to instill the type of thinking you've described into his daughter, likely also clued her in to not upsetting the whole balance of dating in general. As she said, you can buy next time.

Early indicators suggest she might be someone worth getting to know better. Good luck.
 

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This happens quite a lot now. It's happened to me. I've given my daughters the same advice.

It's a different era.
 

badbadboy

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I thought I was pretty independent but I don’t take care of restaurant bills...

And she’s a student... wow!!

Anybody else think she made a $150 investment in her own future? First thing I thought of when I read the OP's post.
 

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Why are you complaining on a forum that is primarily about fucking hookers and rating them on the service about a date with a non hooker(and it sounded like you had a good time) and the gal paid for dinner.WHY are you complaining.....with regards to being emasculated....yeah well I guess if she ripped off your nutsack instead of a good night kiss I could understand.

Sounds to me like you had a pretty good night out with a nice gal and got a bit of a surprise.

Last time I "dated" a gal it was for 3 "dates" and I picked up the tab for them and she "put out" on the 3rd date.....next day out of the blue she calls me up and says she has an awesome investment opportunity for me and all I need to do is slide her $20,000.I ask about the specifics about what it is invested in and the rate of return and I get no answers so I said I will pass.Shen then asks me if I would loan her $20,000 and I say I dont have $20,000 in cash ans says "you could take equity on your home" to which I ask "so how will it be secured" and she replies "what do you mean secured" and I respond "well I am not going to take $20,000 of equity out of my house to hand over to you in CASH without a solid legal way to get it back".....5 seconds later I am an asshole.

I cant feel your pain and to blunt I envy what you have "suffered through"...for fuck sakes you dont need to be "emasculated" as you sound like a "snowflake" millenial.....did you have a "safe space" during that date?

SR
 

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Anybody else think she made a $150 investment in her own future? First thing I thought of when I read the OP's post.
I thought of that as well. Guy asks girl out to a pricier restaurant(yes there are definitely more expensive ones) and maybe the girl thinks/deduces the guy most have some money. Do a thoughtful gesture now and get rewarded later on.
 

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Nah ya think.
Last date I went on the girl picked up the restaurant tab then brought me back to her place to blow me. When she was finished she insisted her sister blow me also.
I was about to write a long rant on here about it but decided whats the point, I'll just fuck her sister next time and we'll be even.
 

badbadboy

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I thought of that as well. Guy asks girl out to a pricier restaurant(yes there are definitely more expensive ones) and maybe the girl thinks/deduces the guy most have some money. Do a thoughtful gesture now and get rewarded later on.
Student, willing to date a guy 8 years older and buy him dinner at a Steak House where you can easily drop > $200?

Potential SB or what ? :nod:
 

Stamkos

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Nah ya think.
Last date I went on the girl picked up the restaurant tab then brought me back to her place to blow me. When she was finished she insisted her sister blow me also.
I was about to write a long rant on here about it but decided whats the point, I'll just fuck her sister next time and we'll be even.
Lol, beautiful!!!! :lol::lol::lol:
 

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A true gentleman would simply say thank you, please allow me to get the next one. It was just an act of friendship . Why not respond with friendship.
 

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Student, willing to date a guy 8 years older and buy him dinner at a Steak House where you can easily drop > $200?

Potential SB or what ? :nod:
I dunno. She might be a gold digger. But, she might not. If I were single and in the OP's shoes, I'd want to see her again.
 

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I've learned a little Chinese rule of thumb when going to the restaurant. The person who invites or suggests going always buys. Better to not bring up splitting the bill. Not that you said she was Chinese. Of course there are variations on that theme when in Canada. Nice little curve ball she threw at you. Could be a keeper.
 

badbadboy

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Her education is her investment for the future. A nursing salary isn’t too shabby. There are some women who are brought up by their fathers to not be gold diggers.
And... an 8 year age difference? Meh...that’s nothing!!

Some of you guys are so cynical.
Until she is a $80k a year RN, she is still on a student budget. Nothing is guaranteed even when registered and there are plenty of RN Grads pulling espresso shots at Starbucks.

Not cynical, just reality based.

Nice try though.
 

UhOh

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Unless she's a really good actress or you're really oblivious you can tell when someone is playing you or is actually sincere. If its something you've never experienced well then maybe its not so obvious.
I've been lucky on more than one occasion to have dated girls that wanted to settle down with me. However here I am on this form indicating somewhere along the way it all went off the rails. Problem is when they're into me I'm less into them. When they're gone I realize what I let slip away, sigh.
 
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