FBI Just raided Trump's Lawyers office

[Lady Companion]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/...-of-trumps-longtime-lawyer-michael-cohen.html

It concerns me greatly that we are going further down the rabbit hole of Orwell's 1984 and complete loss of privacy in any way. Hopefully the loss of privilege is isolated to Mr. Trump. The irony of it makes me smile though ;-)

 

[uncleg]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/...-of-trumps-longtime-lawyer-michael-cohen.html

Is it evil that this made me smile?

Nope....I think lawyer's offices should be raided on a regular basis.....on both sides of the border, just to keep them honest...or at least as honest as some of them are capable of being.

 

[badbadboy]

Nope....I think lawyer's offices should be raided on a regular basis.....on both sides of the border, just to keep them honest...or at least as honest as some of them are capable of being.

So much for having privileged information.

Thinking you can't share info with your own lawyer just in case they give you up when asked is pretty f'd up.

They are reporting that Mueller's office is going after Trump's LLC via Cohen's handling. It's following the $$.

 

[westwoody]

Should be some entertaining tweets coming shortly!

First this was a deal between Stormy and Trump, then it was between the lawyer as a proxy and Stormy, and now Trump's camp claims they never knew about the deal. That seems unlikely.

 

[thodisipagal]

So much for having privileged information.

Thinking you can't share info with your own lawyer just in case they give you up when asked is pretty f'd up.

They are reporting that Mueller's office is going after Trump's LLC via Cohen's handling. It's following the $$.

I had the same thought. Attorney-client communication is privileged and non-prejudiced info, meaning it is nonadmissible evidence in litigation.

But, I think Mueller may not be after privileged info. Trump has maintained (more accurately, feigned) ignorance about money the Trump lawyer paid to Stormy. If there is record of payment Trump claims he was unaware, that record may not be privileged. I think that's what Mueller is after. Sometimes admitting mistake is safer than cover up, as we know from perjury and obstruction of justice case
associated with Watergate scandal and perjury case associated with Lewinsky scandal.

 

[wetnose]

So much for having privileged information.

Thinking you can't share info with your own lawyer just in case they give you up when asked is pretty f'd up.

They are reporting that Mueller's office is going after Trump's LLC via Cohen's handling. It's following the $$.

Attorney client privilege is suspended in certain situations:

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/the-crime-fraud-exception-the-attorney-client-privilege.html

These kind of warrants are very rare - they don't give them out like parking tickets.

 

[badbadboy]

My comment was towards uncleg who was saying :

Nope....I think lawyer's offices should be raided on a regular basis.....on both sides of the border, just to keep them honest...or at least as honest as some of them are capable of being.

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There was a former FBI financial crimes guy just on CNN. He was saying client privilege is waived in financial crimes not personal crimes. Hence saying FBI was investigating Trump's LLC financials.

 

[westwoody]

They were probably looking for evidence that Cohen lied to FBI.
If there is such evidence it could be a powerful lever to use against him.

 

[FreeG]

Attorney client privilege is suspended in certain situations:

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/the-crime-fraud-exception-the-attorney-client-privilege.html

These kind of warrants are very rare - they don't give them out like parking tickets.

The NYT article discusses this too. Special care has to be given to whatever client-lawyer info is uncovered.

I for one am surprised at such a bold move - they must have some strong evidence to make such a public move.

As the noose tightens, take care the flailing doesn’t get anyone innocent hurt or cause irreparable damage!

 

[BIGOZZIE]

Mueller is corrupt he has no proof of anything. Just a fishing expedition. The only Russian involvement was by Hillary.

 

[golferjohn]

Mueller is corrupt he has no proof of anything. Just a fishing expedition. The only Russian involvement was by Hillary.

Mueller's office didn't issue the search warrant, a judge that Trump appointed did. Clearly there's substantial evidence of wrong-doing for a 'Trump Judge' not being able to ignore. All this is going to do is strengthen his core supporters to 'dig-in'...cognitive dissonance.

 

[badbadboy]

Mueller's office didn't issue the search warrant, a judge that Trump appointed did. Clearly there's substantial evidence of wrong-doing for a 'Trump Judge' not being able to ignore. All this is going to do is strengthen his core supporters to 'dig-in'...cognitive dissonance.

Exactly. A Trump Judge appointee and presumably Rod Rosenstein another Trump appointee signed off on the warrants. They did dawn raids fearing destruction of evidence may occur by Cohen.

The thing is if Trump terminates Mueller, the FBI still has all the evidence and testimony intact. The 'next' Mueller will be another dedicated FBI prosecutor who will pick up where Mueller left off.

Trump didn't help himself by calling out all the Special Services Branches as corrupt and incompetent. Now they really want to prove #45 wrong.

 

[wetnose]

Mueller is corrupt he has no proof of anything. Just a fishing expedition. The only Russian involvement was by Hillary.

LOL really? For a fishing expedition, Mueller has turned up some whoppers. Bear in mind that Mueller has no axe to grind - he's Republican, and was appointed by Bush to be Director of the FBI. Here's the score so far:

1) Michael Flynn, the president’s onetime national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to lying to the FBI about conversations with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak a year earlier.

2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager, has been indicted on money laundering and conspiracy charges stemming from his work in Ukraine.

3) Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, is under investigation by New York prosecutors and federal officials regarding the Kushners’ ownership of a costly skyscraper at 666 Fifth Avenue in Manhattan.

4) Former Trump campaign aide Rick Gates and former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos have both pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI.

And as of yesterday:

5) Cohen, the President's personal lawyer, is under federal investigation for possible bank fraud, wire fraud and campaign finance violations.

 

[badbadboy]

LOL really? For a fishing expedition, Mueller has turned up some whoppers. Bear in mind that Mueller has no axe to grind - he's Republican, and was appointed by Bush to be Director of the FBI. Here's the score so far:

1) Michael Flynn, the president’s onetime national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to lying to the FBI about conversations with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak a year earlier.

2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager, has been indicted on money laundering and conspiracy charges stemming from his work in Ukraine.

3) Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, is under investigation by New York prosecutors and federal officials regarding the Kushners’ ownership of a costly skyscraper at 666 Fifth Avenue in Manhattan.

4) Former Trump campaign aide Rick Gates and former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos have both pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI.

And as of yesterday:

5) Cohen, the President's personal lawyer, is under federal investigation for possible bank fraud, wire fraud and campaign finance violations.

and still, #45 and his base would blame Hillary, Barack and Fake News for all of this Witch Hunt.

It's amazing how polarized opinion is on this investigation. Very little middle ground and entrenched.

 

[ParadiseChaser]

Mueller is corrupt he has no proof of anything. Just a fishing expedition. The only Russian involvement was by Hillary.

Hey cool didn't know russian bots posted here.

 

[golferjohn]

the only reasonable explanation that I can come-up with is that Trump's base must have such disdain for Obama/Clinton(s)/The Swamp that they're willing to 'blow-up' our entire democracy...all in the name of hate. Hillary's comment about the 'basket of deplorables' unified and and mobilized the disenfranchised and gave a voice to racism/bigotry/misogyny/etc widening the chasm. Nothing breeds hate like hate, and I'm afraid we've given these fringe groups a leader they can look up to.

 

[badbadboy]

Very good points and I can see how people get motivated when categorized as deplorables.

I've had MSNBC and CNN on during the day while working and there has been a few of the 'Religious Right' representatives interviewed. When asked about Trump's extramarital behaviour and how they are rationalizing it by continuing to support him; the response was "it all happened before he was a candidate, we are all sinners and he is our guy".

Of course, Trump has put an anti-abortionist on the Supreme Court, indicated the LGBTQ are no longer welcome in the Military and has cut funding for abortions through Planned Parenthood. All the right things to do if one is pandering to Religious Right Wingers IMO.

 

[golferjohn]

All the right things to do if one is pandering to Religious Right Wingers IMO.

I just can't believe this is all relegated to this group. There's such a divisiveness with combative, angry tones where no one is actually listening. Now this may sound condescending (and I'm truly trying my best not to), but I akin The Base to battered/abused/molested kids who've now grown-up and mobilized behind the batterer/abuser/molester and it doesn't matter what the facts or behavior are, they're gonna follow.

As an aside, having The Southern District of New York spearhead the investigation against Cohen is a brilliant move cuz it renders any potential pardon useless...same thing w/parts of Manaforts case. This will take some time, but when this administration implodes under its own stupidity and ego we'll never hear the end of how it was a 'set-up' from the start

 

[wetnose]

I just can't believe this is all relegated to this group. There's such a divisiveness with combative, angry tones where no one is actually listening. Now this may sound condescending (and I'm truly trying my best not to), but I akin The Base to battered/abused/molested kids who've now grown-up and mobilized behind the batterer/abuser/molester and it doesn't matter what the facts or behavior are, they're gonna follow.

People were still defending Nixon to the end too. The thing is...facts don't really matter to low-information Fox viewers. What matters is how they feel and Fox constantly bombards them with newscasts designed to evoke emotion - fear being the most powerful.

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