FAT isn't a 4 letter word!

[Tugela]

Now being fat is a disease?

This thread is a joke.

You are fat because you;

eat too much.
do not get enough exercise in the day.
eat very poorly or eat crap foods.

It's not a disease or a "medical condition" that is an insult to the 100's of millions of starving people on our planet.

That is not entirely true, there are some people who genuinely have a real medical disorder. But in most cases the disorder is just plain lack of willpower and self discipline.

Not that I have a problem with that, each to their own, but they should not turn around and say it is beyond their control when that is not true at all. That is really what all this "fat shaming" nonsense is about, denying personal responsibility for ones actions. It is easier to point the finger somewhere else than actually do anything about it. It is an attitude which is prevalent in so many aspects of society.

 

[hornygandalf]

Now being fat is a disease?

This thread is a joke.

You are fat because you;

eat too much.
do not get enough exercise in the day.
eat very poorly or eat crap foods.

It's not a disease or a "medical condition" that is an insult to the 100's of millions of starving people on our planet.

This is a way too simplistic response. There are many different reasons why people are obese, some of them to do with genetic or medical conditions, others to do with emotional reasons, and many because of plain greed. And as such, the 'treatment' or actions needed to resolve the issue are also different. There is a lot also to be said about our industrial food system that puts all kinds of chemicals into foods, some of which have addictive side effects, along with the rampant consumerism. Starvation of 100s of millions of people is a different issue, though often with a commonality... greed. Arguably, if there is an emotional reason behind over- or excessive eating, then there is a medical issue (many health plans will cover the mental health intervention to address it). However, maybe it can be more correctly be labelled a public health issue.
And starvation, that could be solved if there was the political will globally to address it.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

After reading this thread a few times, I figured since I am a local "fatty", *it only appropriate that I "weigh" in. To which I make no apologies. I fully understand the stigma, where as with one word, FAT, that metamorphoses between the magnificent creature I am, switches to, fat=gross, disgusting, undisciplined, inferior and worthless.
I never used to be fat, 37 yrs of being the ideal weight, so I understand both sides. I've competed in Spartans great race, twice, tough mudders, and countless half marathons. Natural athlete, I enjoy being physical. NEVER eat fast food, I couldn't recall the last time I went to a drive thru. *However, After the lose of a child, my world seemed to cease. Maybe this is too much private information. And certainly not an excuse, although retreating into yourself, changes your outward appearance. I just never knew that having an ass the width of an ax handle, meant I was no longer a brilliant mind, a beautiful woman, outstanding parent, and highly regarded by my colleagues in my non naughty career. That my masters degree meant nothing, and all I was, could be summed up by one word...FAT!..snip

I just wanted to offer my condolences for your loss, and thank you for the courage it took to contribute to this thread and share some of the awful experiences you've had at the hands of prejudiced clients...

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

After reading this thread a few times, I figured since I am a local "fatty", *it only appropriate that I "weigh" in. To which I make no apologies. I fully understand the stigma, where as with one word, FAT, that metamorphoses between the magnificent creature I am, switches to, fat=gross, disgusting, undisciplined, inferior and worthless.
I never used to be fat, 37 yrs of being the ideal weight, so I understand both sides. I've competed in Spartans great race, twice, tough mudders, and countless half marathons. Natural athlete, I enjoy being physical. NEVER eat fast food, I couldn't recall the last time I went to a drive thru. *However, After the lose of a child, my world seemed to cease. Maybe this is too much private information. And certainly not an excuse, although retreating into yourself, changes your outward appearance. I just never knew that having an ass the width of an ax handle, meant I was no longer a brilliant mind, a beautiful woman, outstanding parent, and highly regarded by my colleagues in my non naughty career. That my masters degree meant nothing, and all I was, could be summed up by one word...FAT!
Fat shaming is blatant racism. The prejudice of sizism against fat people is an acceptable practice in the western world. This simple descriptive word, has been given a derogatory meaning. Holding hands with the assumption that a person's fat is produced as a sublimation of other psychological problems.
There isn't much I can say that hasn't already been touched on in this thread, other than to offer a few of my own experiences as an SP. Considering there is so much shame and finger pointing within this industry already, I was certainly shocked when I started to be harassed for being fat. To know one of my haters, was himself 300lbs, really fucked with my mind. When a grown man takes time out of his day to read my profile, then send me links to Jenny Craig, I have to wonder. To read remarks on this site condemning men for choosing to see a bbw. Or the fella, who booked an app, came, put his envelope down, spit on me, slapped me around, called me disgusting pig, picked up his envelope and left. I assume this is okay, because I am after all, just fat. *Not *too mention the countless emails just telling me I am disgusting, go on a diet. REALLY?? We are not playing in the sand box any more, why does one feel they can still bully people around. Hiding behind the safety of their computer, bullies are in their element. I have seen men, who admittedly wont review me, for fear of being harassed. Because there normal pooning habits have been a specific body type. They apologize, and I shake my head. How sad that the shaming trickles down.
Sex and sexuality is delivered in many forms.*
*I have to tell you, I made two poached eggs on toast for breakfast, ate one, and waited patiently for that magic porthole to a third world country to open up in my kitchen, to no avail. Thank you baby jesus, I am not personally responsible for someone else's condition.

Thank you for your bravery Knickers!

 

[CLUB78]

This is one of the many reasons I totally love Knickers!!! She is the kindest, sweetest person I've known, and not in a fluffy-bunny-headed way either! She's super smart and so mentally well-balanced that you are in awe of her.

To be honest, I wrote this post because she told me a story about someone fat-shaming her. Her, one of the nicest people in the world, is being fucked over because someone is pissed off about how much fat someone else carries. I mean, she's a beautiful lady (you've seen her pictures) who has been totally benign, ...what the hell is this wanker's problem? Things like that make me shake my head, and I've seen more fucked up stuff than the marines in "Full Metal Jacket"(awesome movie,btw).

If you meet her, you like her, and why the fuck should some alcoholic with a failing liver (costing the taxpayers money no doubt) or some chain smoker with black lungs be able to point their finger at HER and say SHE has a problem?

Plus, whether or not someone likes or is attracted to a certain amount of body fat appearance-wise has nothing to do with what is acceptable behavior
towards another person.

Shaming someone is a choice, writing messages to other people insulting someone is a choice, posting cow pictures or whatever is certainly a choice, it's the asshole's choice. It helps no one, it isn't really that funny anyways dickface, and how does shaming someone or pointing out they eat too much do anything to solve world hunger issues or reduce the stress on the health care system....what kind of Bizzarro-World leap of logic is that?

Shockingly, the healthiest person I ever knew was not the most mentally stable person I ever knew, or the most interesting.

Ernest Hemingway and Christopher Hitchens were 2 people I would have loved to have met. Out of shape, smoking, heavy drinkers that carried too much weight and had emotional problems. Perhaps not the best examples of anything beyond the Hemingway defense and certainly not applicable to a teetotaling non-smoking lady with tremendous empathy and an utter lack of demons.

Anyways, I guess what I'm saying is don't pick on Knickers you fucking fuck.

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

(Snip: in which Roxanne the Awesome Ritchie solilloquizes eloquently...
Anyways, I guess what I'm saying is don't pick on Knickers you fucking fuck.

Dearest Roxanne,

Marry me?

Erica

 

[CLUB78]

Dearest Roxanne,

Marry me?

Erica

How many times must I say yes? Husbands have longer lives while wives have shorter, hence, if we marry each other, we'll both live longer too.

 

[Tugela]

After reading this thread a few times, I figured since I am a local "fatty", *it only appropriate that I "weigh" in. To which I make no apologies. I fully understand the stigma, where as with one word, FAT, that metamorphoses between the magnificent creature I am, switches to, fat=gross, disgusting, undisciplined, inferior and worthless.
I never used to be fat, 37 yrs of being the ideal weight, so I understand both sides. I've competed in Spartans great race, twice, tough mudders, and countless half marathons. Natural athlete, I enjoy being physical. NEVER eat fast food, I couldn't recall the last time I went to a drive thru. *However, After the lose of a child, my world seemed to cease. Maybe this is too much private information. And certainly not an excuse, although retreating into yourself, changes your outward appearance. I just never knew that having an ass the width of an ax handle, meant I was no longer a brilliant mind, a beautiful woman, outstanding parent, and highly regarded by my colleagues in my non naughty career. That my masters degree meant nothing, and all I was, could be summed up by one word...FAT!
Fat shaming is blatant racism. The prejudice of sizism against fat people is an acceptable practice in the western world. This simple descriptive word, has been given a derogatory meaning. Holding hands with the assumption that a person's fat is produced as a sublimation of other psychological problems.
There isn't much I can say that hasn't already been touched on in this thread, other than to offer a few of my own experiences as an SP. Considering there is so much shame and finger pointing within this industry already, I was certainly shocked when I started to be harassed for being fat. To know one of my haters, was himself 300lbs, really fucked with my mind. When a grown man takes time out of his day to read my profile, then send me links to Jenny Craig, I have to wonder. To read remarks on this site condemning men for choosing to see a bbw. Or the fella, who booked an app, came, put his envelope down, spit on me, slapped me around, called me disgusting pig, picked up his envelope and left. I assume this is okay, because I am after all, just fat. *Not *too mention the countless emails just telling me I am disgusting, go on a diet. REALLY?? We are not playing in the sand box any more, why does one feel they can still bully people around. Hiding behind the safety of their computer, bullies are in their element. I have seen men, who admittedly wont review me, for fear of being harassed. Because there normal pooning habits have been a specific body type. They apologize, and I shake my head. How sad that the shaming trickles down.
Sex and sexuality is delivered in many forms.*
*I have to tell you, I made two poached eggs on toast for breakfast, ate one, and waited patiently for that magic porthole to a third world country to open up in my kitchen, to no avail. Thank you baby jesus, I am not personally responsible for someone else's condition.

Well, imagine how all those super skinny models feel when they are called "unhealthy" and "sick", have people demand that they be denied the ability to work (in some places there are laws to stop them) and are openly mocked and snickered at. They get the same thing.

And who defends them? No one. At all.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Well, imagine how all those super skinny models feel when they are called "unhealthy" and "sick", have people demand that they be denied the ability to work (in some places there are laws to stop them) and are openly mocked and snickered at. They get the same thing.

And who defends them? No one. At all.

hell tuggy, there's another crowd for anorexics... if you've got an image problem, there are people who will take time out of their day to support you - it's an industry!

 

[VanessaofBC]

 

[Surrey's Jewel]

Well, imagine how all those super skinny models feel when they are called "unhealthy" and "sick", have people demand that they be denied the ability to work (in some places there are laws to stop them) and are openly mocked and snickered at. They get the same thing.

And who defends them? No one. At all.

Of course no one defends them ... all they need to do is exercise less and eat more. How dare they be seeking recognition when there are so many billions of people battling the bulge worldwide.

 

[CLUB78]

Well, imagine how all those super skinny models feel when they are called "unhealthy" and "sick", have people demand that they be denied the ability to work (in some places there are laws to stop them) and are openly mocked and snickered at. They get the same thing.

And who defends them? No one. At all.

I talked about my Anorexia issues and you didn't leap up in support of me. Don't kid yourself either, a model with a BMI of 16 is not staying healthy through diet and exercise...she has an eating disorder.

 

[A.U.D.R.E.Y]

As a former International Model and a naturally thin person most of my life (with the exception of the end of my escorting career where I was taking medications that started screwing heavily with my metabolism) I'd like to share my experience of being skinny, the complex I developed from constant negative criticism from peers & adults & the place I finally found acceptance having the body I had ZERO CONTROL CHANGING.

I was very very thin growing up. So thin that many people thought I was anorexic even though I had a toned, healthy looking body. I would often get comments from my friends like "you are so skinny that we are worried that your legs are going to snap in half when you walk" and stuff like that. Parents of other students would call my parents to express concern over my small size & my parents would constantly have to explain that I ate like a horse, much to the shock of the people phoning. Every time someone would comment that I was skinny (which was multiple times a day) I would internalize it & view myself negatively. By the end of Gr.7 I started thinking of myself as nothing more than a stick or a twig & would scratch the words into my arms & legs (thank god they didn't leave any permanent marks). By Gr.8 up until Gr.10 all I wore were baggy clothes so that I could try to conceal how tiny I was.

Doing gym class was hell because all the girls in the class could see how skinny my arms & legs really were. In Gr.9 I even had a teacher come up to me after watching me play baseball outside. He asked me to flex the muscles in my arms because I was so skinny & he thought that it would be funny to do this in front of the whole class. Talk about embarrassing.

I went from being a happy kid in Gr.6, with no concept of poor self image, to a miserable girl with a major complex about her appearance in just 1 year. This complex wasn't me judging myself, it was my peers & adults judging me & deciding there was something wrong or not normal about how my body was & then that judgment impacted how I viewed myself, which was anything but positive.

Do you know what actually gave me self confidence & made me feel comfortable in my own skin…………MODELLING.

I was 5ft 8inches & 100 lbs until I was 23 years old. That gave me a BMI of 15.2, classified as underweight but that's not because I had an eating disorder, that's because that was just my NATURAL BODY (hard to believe but true). I could not put on weight no matter how hard I tried & I tried. I could eat whatever I wanted; high fat, high carb, high protein, high sugar, high calories, whatever. I never counted calories, restricted foods or restricted portions of food, etc. I didn't barf up my meals afterwards, take laxatives, eat cotton balls to make myself feel full, smoke, do drugs, etc. I was never told to loose weight or loose inches in modelling. I was actually told to gain a little weight if possible.

Now perhaps you are thinking that I exercised a lot, NOPE. I did not work out. I was terrified of going to the gym because I was already so thin. I was worried that I would get a lot of HATE LOOKS like "what are you doing here", "you don't need to be working out", etc.

I lived with a lot of models from all over the world for months at a time & only one had an issue with weight/food. She had a larger frame & her way to keep her measurements "in check" was to smoke a lot, take laxatives & not eat very much at all.

Now, this was my experience with modelling. I realize that not everyone has had the same positive experience. My comments about the industry are merely to point out that not all models or women who are thin have an eating disorder, there are a lot who just happen to be naturally thin. Currently I am 5ft 8inches & 115 lbs, which gives me a BMI of 17.5, still classified as underweight but I don't have an eating disorder, this is just my body type. I try to eat healthy & walk but that's it. I don't count calories or limit food intake, etc.

 

[VanessaofBC]

A North Carolina radio personality is dancing her way into hearts across the country, inspiring others with her “No Body Shame” routine. She stopped dancing in college after she started experiencing inexplicable weight gain."By the time I had graduated college, been diagnosed with Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome, moved to Korea and gained 200 pounds, I am fully dedicated to supporting fellow women in ridding ourselves of shame and showing that I am NOT ashamed of my body,” she told The Huffington Post.

SPURCE: http://kfor.com/2014/02/06/watch-wo...o-body-shame-campaign-fat-girl-dancing-video/

 

[Tugela]

I talked about my Anorexia issues and you didn't leap up in support of me. Don't kid yourself either, a model with a BMI of 16 is not staying healthy through diet and exercise...she has an eating disorder.

I was super skinny most of my life (until late in middle age). I could eat anything/as much as I wanted, and veg out as much as I wanted, it made no difference. I wanted to be fatter, so I could blend in more, but it was something that could not be changed. Some people are just like that. They do not have an eating disorder, and it is presumptuous to assume they do. Just because some people are anorexic does not mean that all skinny people are (which is what people normally assume).

In any case an eating disorder means that you literally cannot eat, which is not what anorexics do. They choose not eat because they are messed up. That is the same reason most people end up fat. They have control over their bodies, but choose to engage in unwise behaviours. It is all in their state of mind.

The point is the blatant hypocrisy in all this condemnation of "fat shaming", when the very same people who do that typically have no problem at all doing "thin shaming". Their attitude and argument usually goes along the lines of "its ok to be fat because all those skinny people are really unhealthy". My theory is that what they are really trying to do is rationalize their own weight gain, and trying to portray it as "normal" and "healthy" (no matter how abnormal and unhealthy it might be) so that they do not have to exercise any personal self control. The fact that there are skinny people out there blows holes in this new world order they try to construct in their minds, therefore they portray skinny as "unhealthy". And what used to be healthy now becomes "abnormal". They are redefining the word "normal" so they fit into that demographic for that sole purpose.

 

[Tugela]

As a former International Model and a naturally thin person most of my life (with the exception of the end of my escorting career where I was taking medications that started screwing heavily with my metabolism) I'd like to share my experience of being skinny, the complex I developed from constant negative criticism from peers & adults & the place I finally found acceptance having the body I had ZERO CONTROL CHANGING.

I was very very thin growing up. So thin that many people thought I was anorexic even though I had a toned, healthy looking body. I would often get comments from my friends like "you are so skinny that we are worried that your legs are going to snap in half when you walk" and stuff like that. Parents of other students would call my parents to express concern over my small size & my parents would constantly have to explain that I ate like a horse, much to the shock of the people phoning. Every time someone would comment that I was skinny (which was multiple times a day) I would internalize it & view myself negatively. By the end of Gr.7 I started thinking of myself as nothing more than a stick or a twig & would scratch the words into my arms & legs (thank god they didn't leave any permanent marks). By Gr.8 up until Gr.10 all I wore were baggy clothes so that I could try to conceal how tiny I was.

Doing gym class was hell because all the girls in the class could see how skinny my arms & legs really were. In Gr.9 I even had a teacher come up to me after watching me play baseball outside. He asked me to flex the muscles in my arms because I was so skinny & he thought that it would be funny to do this in front of the whole class. Talk about embarrassing.

I went from being a happy kid in Gr.6, with no concept of poor self image, to a miserable girl with a major complex about her appearance in just 1 year. This complex wasn't me judging myself, it was my peers & adults judging me & deciding there was something wrong or not normal about how my body was & then that judgment impacted how I viewed myself, which was anything but positive.

Do you know what actually gave me self confidence & made me feel comfortable in my own skin…………MODELLING.

I was 5ft 8inches & 100 lbs until I was 23 years old. That gave me a BMI of 15.2, classified as underweight but that's not because I had an eating disorder, that's because that was just my NATURAL BODY (hard to believe but true). I could not put on weight no matter how hard I tried & I tried. I could eat whatever I wanted; high fat, high carb, high protein, high sugar, high calories, whatever. I never counted calories, restricted foods or restricted portions of food, etc. I didn't barf up my meals afterwards, take laxatives, eat cotton balls to make myself feel full, smoke, do drugs, etc. I was never told to loose weight or loose inches in modelling. I was actually told to gain a little weight if possible.

Now perhaps you are thinking that I exercised a lot, NOPE. I did not work out. I was terrified of going to the gym because I was already so thin. I was worried that I would get a lot of HATE LOOKS like "what are you doing here", "you don't need to be working out", etc.

I lived with a lot of models from all over the world for months at a time & only one had an issue with weight/food. She had a larger frame & her way to keep her measurements "in check" was to smoke a lot, take laxatives & not eat very much at all.

Now, this was my experience with modelling. I realize that not everyone has had the same positive experience. My comments about the industry are merely to point out that not all models or women who are thin have an eating disorder, there are a lot who just happen to be naturally thin. Currently I am 5ft 8inches & 115 lbs, which gives me a BMI of 17.5, still classified as underweight but I don't have an eating disorder, this is just my body type. I try to eat healthy & walk but that's it. I don't count calories or limit food intake, etc.

Yes, I had the same general experience growing up, except that as a guy, there was no question of getting any sort of acceptance through modeling or anything like that. When you are a kid people can be incredibly cruel, you have to live a life of shame just because of the way you look, and unlike fat people, skinny people rarely get any sympathy. For me the experience was just non-stop bullying (at least until I got out of school).

 

[Tugela]

Wow, there's a scientific explanation. Anorexics choose not to eat because they are messed up. Gee, Mr. Wizard, what would I ever do without your scintillating insights into human behaviour.

I was skinny, very skinny as a kid. At 14, when I went to high school, they gave us a medical exam, the doctor told me, I was very underweight. Based on what he thought my eventual height would be which he estimated at 6'1" or 6'2", and my the size of my frame, he felt I should be at least 190 lbs. I was 5'9" tall and weighed 119 lbs and that was with gym clothes on. I took it to heart, but I had no real idea of how to put on weight. It was an article I read, that talked about the best way to pack on weight. Drink lots of homo milk and do weight lifting, primarily squats and dead lifts. So, I took up weight lifting and I liked milk anyway, so I drank lots of milk, ate voraciously and packed on 50 lbs in under 2 years. So, I don't want her your self-serving shit, Tugela, how you couldn't put on weight to blend in better, because you're full of it. Could not be changed, my ass.

You're the ultimate hypocrite, you couldn't gain weight, because its something that can't be changed, but fat people engage in unwise behaviours. Nice job outing yourself as a fat racist.

I was 5'10", and weighed 49-51kg after growth had ceased. When I was 14 I was a lot less than that. Compared to me you were a fatty. I used to do Judo as a sport. I would tower over pretty much every kid in my weight class (which is not really the advantage you might expect). I loved pizza, ice cream, all the stuff you are not supposed to eat, so, no shortage of calories. They just did not stick around. I would eat way more than anyone else I knew, they would always be amazed at how much I ate. But, my weight stayed the same. By the same I mean EXACTLY the same, it did not deviate at all.

You don't know what you are talking about. Just another "thin-shamer".

Weight lifting does not put on weight btw, consuming calories does. Well, I suppose if you pop steroids or something like that to "help" things along, that might work.

 

[A.U.D.R.E.Y]

Thought that I would add this to demonstrate that there are indeed men & women who naturally find it very difficult to gain any weight.

http://www.directlyfitness.com/store/3-body-types-explained-ectomorph-mesomorph-endomorph/

 

[Surrey's Jewel]

I was super skinny most of my life (until late in middle age). I could eat anything/as much as I wanted, and veg out as much as I wanted, it made no difference. I wanted to be fatter, so I could blend in more, but it was something that could not be changed. Some people are just like that. They do not have an eating disorder, and it is presumptuous to assume they do. Just because some people are anorexic does not mean that all skinny people are (which is what people normally assume).

In any case an eating disorder means that you literally cannot eat, which is not what anorexics do. They choose not eat because they are messed up. That is the same reason most people end up fat. They have control over their bodies, but choose to engage in unwise behaviours. It is all in their state of mind.

The point is the blatant hypocrisy in all this condemnation of "fat shaming", when the very same people who do that typically have no problem at all doing "thin shaming". Their attitude and argument usually goes along the lines of "its ok to be fat because all those skinny people are really unhealthy". My theory is that what they are really trying to do is rationalize their own weight gain, and trying to portray it as "normal" and "healthy" (no matter how abnormal and unhealthy it might be) so that they do not have to exercise any personal self control. The fact that there are skinny people out there blows holes in this new world order they try to construct in their minds, therefore they portray skinny as "unhealthy". And what used to be healthy now becomes "abnormal". They are redefining the word "normal" so they fit into that demographic for that sole purpose.

You obviously have not looked up what an eating disorder actually is - you just wrote here what you personally think it is. Lame !

 

[Tugela]

You obviously have not looked up what an eating disorder actually is - you just wrote here what you personally think it is. Lame !

That is just a name. What people call an "eating disorder" is really just a type of personality disorder, it has nothing to do with eating. They don't like to admit that however, so they give it a different name to redirect from where the problem really lies.