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That argument that obese people I guess you would have to have the facts in front of you,
cost health care more,

doesn't hold all that much water,
being a cyclist and I am told I am hard core, I know or talk to a few guys running marathons etc,

mri's knee operations hip replacements. your body wears out.
these guys are running to mri.s specalists you name, multiply times, not just one knee op many.
 

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I am so passionate about this issue . I have spent the better part of 2013 and now forever dedicating every brain cell I have on this topic . I believe when fat is considered a "condition" rather than a lifestyle choice society will be forced to treat large people with the respect they deserve .
It disgusts me when some asshole says to a large woman "wow you certainly take up enough space" he can see the tears running down her face but who cares right ? Shes fat so that must mean she's deaf and dumb too ?

Jessica James

Totally! It's not cool to pick on people. There are people who are so cruel to the overweight that they go out of their way to mess with them. It's like those awful teens that beat up sleeping homeless guys or the people that played the prank on Carrie in the movie "Carrie".

You're a nice person Jessica :D
 

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This seems like a heavy topic. I guess I will "weigh in".

It's a nice sentiment to want to defend marginalized people. And those who struggle with their own margins surely qualify.

I wouldn't go quite so far as the OP and claim that "thin privilege" is the problem. Healthy living can have its just deserts.

A family member in the medical profession once recounted to me that disproportionate (no pun intended) number of their sickest patients are obese, and that the more obese they are the sicker they tend to be. Obesity related illnesses include high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, high cholesterol, cancer, infertility, skin infections, ulcers, gallstones, and (worst of all) erectile dysfunction! That said, it is not always easy for a person to regulate their food intake, and shaming is a rather ineffective way to motivate someone to adopt a healthier lifestyle.

It can also have counterproductive consequences.

A friend who suffers from bulimia told me that she had been ridiculed by her father at a family gathering regarding her weight, and that it had triggered the start of an long-term eating disorder that has caused severe damage to her esophagus, virtual destruction of the enamel of her teeth, and possibly life-threatening damage to her heart. Not to mention the psychological toll.

Sadly I think this kind of thing is all too common.

People should seriously consider the consequences before they ridicule or shame others.

Anyway there's some fat for you to chew on.
 

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snip...A friend who suffers from bulimia told me that she had been ridiculed by her father at a family gathering regarding her weight, and that it had triggered the start of an long-term eating disorder that has caused severe damage to her esophagus, virtual destruction of the enamel of her teeth, and possibly life-threatening damage to her heart. Not to mention the psychological toll.
What an extremely sad story...I believe that this is what the OP and subsequent empathetic posters are referring to (Hi, Miss JJ), the incredible personal cost to those who suffer, due to the misunderstanding of this situation.
 

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Shaming anyone is a cowardices act. However the medical proof that being obese is unhealthy is indisputable. It's rare to see old fat people; being obese carries with it all sorts of health related issues that can kill you.

Some have mentioned it is an addiction while some say it is a pre determined condition. Still many say it's an issue with putting down the fork.

The question is if being obese is a health threat then would a society with socialized medical have the right to tell others to shed the pounds?
 
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Why in the world hate someone for eating too much food though (unless it's your food, why do you care)? It just seems like such a shitty reason to be cruel to someone. I'm going to make fun of this person or revile them because they wear bigger pants and really like ice cream. Kind of ridiculous.
There are no good reasons for being cruel to others because they don't meet with your approval for whatever reason, period. Not only is it not a way that works to bring about improvement of any kind, but demeaning others because they don't meet a standard society approves of only sends them into a depression and discourages them from trying to cope with their problems.

Sinking the ship of another never helps float your own. It is usually the low self esteem of the person doing the insulting and demeaning to others that needs fixing more than the person they are making derogatory remarks about.

As for the heavy ladies who elect to provide services to men doing massages or other services, more power to them. If they can manage to make a living and the male attention results in feeling better about themselves and raises their self esteem which ultimately lifts their depression and brings about some positive changes in their life, why discourage them? Live and let live. It is not your job in life to decide for others what line of work they choose or even if they can make a living at it. It says more about you as a person when you demean the efforts of others to help themselves in life so no matter how often we have to hammer it home, stop with the rude comments to those who don't meet your criteria for beautiful. If the lady (or man) is too fat or too old or the wrong colour of skin for your taste, move on and silently wish them all the best.
 

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Shaming is a reflection on the shamer


We all need to be kinder to one another in general. It's a controversial stance, but one worth taking.
Shaming is a reflection on the shamer, not the shamed. And lifestyle shaming is nothing more than bullying.

Scolds are articulating a fluid social convention. In Japan, Sumo wrestlers aren't shamed to drop the weight. Buddha has a belly. Ruben's vision and illustrations of women added an adjective to the English language that remains in use.

"Over-weight", "husky", "heavy", "fat", "obese" and "morbidly obese" are tossed about casually as a way to box others into our concept of them.

Many factors contribute to the development of the bodies we inhabit, some nature others nurture. In a world where the knowledge/technology exists to transform bodies there is an understandable sense we have control of the outcome. The only thing we control, is the beliefs we subscribe to.
 

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Shaming is a reflection on the shamer, not the shamed. And lifestyle shaming is nothing more than bullying.

Scolds are articulating a fluid social convention. In Japan, Sumo wrestlers aren't shamed to drop the weight. Buddha has a belly. Ruben's vision and illustrations of women added an adjective to the English language that remains in use.

"Over-weight", "husky", "heavy", "fat", "obese" and "morbidly obese" are tossed about casually as a way to box others into our concept of them.

Many factors contribute to the development of the bodies we inhabit, some nature others nurture. In a world where the knowledge/technology exists to transform bodies there is an understandable sense we have control of the outcome. The only thing we control, is the beliefs we subscribe to.
Well put. When I was fat, (and I was very close to morbidly obese at 285 pounds) I was subjected to shaming by strangers in a burger joint ("Ewww...that's disgusting!" is not a comment one wants to hear directed at oneself while eating in public!) and by students behind my (wide) back (Miss X is FAT, FAT, FAT; SO SHE WEARS BLACK, BLACK BLACK...) but I never felt ashamed of myself until I saw the pictures of my younger sister's wedding. 120 pounds lighter, but I am still the same person. No one shames me for my looks now...

but that doesn't mean I don't still feel it some days. If that 'magic number' on the scale is above a certain range, though, it kicks me in the ass to stop grazing mindlessly at night and start drinking more water and exercising again. Yesterday, I went to the tailor to have my three favourite skirts altered: they are all at least 6 sizes too big to wear, but too beautiful and on-trend for spring for me to just donate them! The tailor was so excited to do the work for me, and in a week, I'll have 2 'new' Jones New York skirts and 1 new Liz Claiborne skirts for under $100...win Win WIN!

xox
Ms Erica
 

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OP gets it because OP used to be Anorexic. Fuck it, get it out there. I'm 5'8 and I was 113 lbs for almost 3 years. I was doing regular (non-porn) modeling at the time and my agent would measure me once a week, and every week she would tell me to lose inches, despite that I was turning into a skeleton with a skin suit. Many of my memories at the time are faded because I walked around in a fugue from the effects of starvation. My main sources of calories were champagne, skim milk lattes, and whatever tobacco stuck to my lips from the cigarettes I was encouraged to chain-smoke. I thought about food all the time, every freaking second, it became an obsession not to eat, a will to power.

The mostly positive feedback from modeling friends and at the shallow nightclub hangouts was the only good thing. Women were jealous (which, unlike now,made me feel good at the time because I was indoctrinated to think that it should) men who previously could care less were suddenly interested when they heard "model" like it held some kind of magical power that suddenly made me attractive. You become addicted to the attention and it's like a drug. One credit I will give to my uber-religious upbringing was that it kept me off cocaine at the time or I for sure would be dead.

It becomes an actual somatic disorder where at some point you are physically incapable of discerning what you look like in a mirror, a full blown visual delusion. You see fat where none exists and try to suck in your bones. This is why a woman can get down to 85 lbs and see her self as fat, because she actually sees herself as fat.

My super-genius, Audrey Hepburn lookalike grandmother had it. She lived until 90, but her bones were like like breadsticks at the end and she died from broken hips.

Getting pregnant and being fat was a wonderful thing for me. The world didn't end! Woo-hoo! Despite that I hadn't been "actively" Anorexic for several years, it never goes away. It's always there in the back of your mind, the idea that being fat would be worse than death.

Having another person to care for, a part of me no less, forced my hand so to speak. I was fat and that was that. It was a relief in a lot of ways, because I was unmistakably fat. I had these lovely big bosoms which was rather nice, and people weren't that bad. Not as bad as I thought they would be anyways.

It really pissed off my sister too, which I kinda found amusement in, I don't know why. She'd get angry when I'd eat poutine so I'd want to do it more.

The reason I became thin again was because they gym was my outlet from being a Mom. They had a great daycare at the rec centre near where I lived so I lifted weights, ran and did classes to burn off tension and have a break. Plus, I was doing attachment parenting and my child was 10lbs at birth to begin with, so it was getting harder to lug the sling around with my extra weight on top of it. Being a Mom is a lot of active work too, as you Mommies know.


I do know I was happier and more stable as a fat Momma than as an emaciated drunken model with cigarette breath.

I'm thin now and yeah there are advantages to that, but I would be a fat over being anorexic again any time.

Nice is good! Mean is bad!
 

Ms Erica Phoenix

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Definitely agree we need to be nicer to each other.

I still feel torn with obesity being a choice vs it being a condition. We're gearing more towards it being a condition and already there are lots of obese people using it and comparing their condition to cancer, like it's a disease. The problem I have making it a condition is that we are normalizing obesity and putting in a built in excuse for those who are overweight (to which many will happily take).

The thing is, our medical society and people tend to over diagnose the current disorder fad (remember ADD? I hear now that kids are being misdiagnosed for autism now, too). And this over-diagnoses will be fatal to those who accept their fate of being obese.

I'm not saying there aren't some people out there who have a medical condition. But I'm saying a large majority of those overweight and obese probably could lose the weight if they chose to stop drinking 2 liters of coke a day and started to do some exercise. Or at least be aware of what they put in their mouth.
That was certainly the case with me; HOWEVER, I must point out that before I had tumours removed from my uterus, ovaries and one (the size of a kiwifruit!) from my thyroid gland and left my toxic work environment, my metabolism was able to correct itself to the point that I was no longer in a state of borderline hypothermia with 'normal' blood pressure and a slow heartbeat!
 
Obesity is the leading cause of terminal illness not just in our country but among developing nations. If the powers that be are not able to or are not compelled to act on this children all over the world will be forced to endure the long term health risks that obesity causes. The fact is that there is more than choice that comes into play when we speak about obesity we are also speaking about poverty prejudice and medical neglect . Without obesity being labeled a condition obese people will continue to be told if they only eat less and move more their problems will be solved. I know for a fact if they could move they would if they could eat less they would. This is about taking personal responsibility and god willing under the care of a good doctor . Obesity is a condition and sooner than later we all will be forced to see it that way. Obese people do not accept they endure. They always try . I know at times it doesn't look that way but trust and believe they are always trying and life is a big struggle. It isn't about being nicer its about being educated .
 

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Obesity is the leading cause of terminal illness not just in our country but among developing nations. If the powers that be are not able to or are not compelled to act on this children all over the world will be forced to endure the long term health risks that obesity causes. The fact is that there is more than choice that comes into play when we speak about obesity we are also speaking about poverty prejudice and medical neglect . Without obesity being labeled a condition obese people will continue to be told if they only eat less and move more their problems will be solved. I know for a fact if they could move they would if they could eat less they would. This is about taking personal responsibility and god willing under the care of a good doctor . Obesity is a condition and sooner than later we all will be forced to see it that way. Obese people do not accept they endure. They always try . I know at times it doesn't look that way but trust and believe they are always trying and life is a big struggle. It isn't about being nicer its about being educated .
And I accept I will spend the rest of my life not to relapse into the lifestyle that allowed me to become obese. That includes properly managing my spiritual, emotional, sexual, psychological and physical health for the rest of my life. My parents are in their late 70s and vibrant. My maternal grandmother was still going dancing 3 times a week at the age of 90 when she broke her hip...After that, she could only dance once a week. I should point out that her dance partner was a good 10 years younger than her, and still had a car! What a catch! They went dancing, 'none of that other stuff matters any more', until she passed away at 96. At the age of 45, in a size 24 dress, I decided I didn't want to be the morbidly obese woman in the Rascal scooter in the Walmart!!!

There will always be temptations that I should avoid since I know that once I start eating it, it will be difficult to stop. (Wheat products, I'M LOOKING AT YOU!) There's a myriad of other things that I need to do and avoid doing, alternatively, and I will, because I don't ever want to let my body systems get into such disorder that my phyiscal condition is morbid obesity. And yes, Ms James you're correct; sometimes though, they give up, and ultimately their condition kills them.
 

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Obesity is the leading cause of terminal illness not just in our country but among developing nations. If the powers that be are not able to or are not compelled to act on this children all over the world will be forced to endure the long term health risks that obesity causes. The fact is that there is more than choice that comes into play when we speak about obesity we are also speaking about poverty prejudice and medical neglect . Without obesity being labeled a condition obese people will continue to be told if they only eat less and move more their problems will be solved. I know for a fact if they could move they would if they could eat less they would. This is about taking personal responsibility and god willing under the care of a good doctor . Obesity is a condition and sooner than later we all will be forced to see it that way. Obese people do not accept they endure. They always try . I know at times it doesn't look that way but trust and believe they are always trying and life is a big struggle. It isn't about being nicer its about being educated .
That's really sweet and all... but sorry you are just being brainwashed by all the fatties. Most of the fat people I know walk around with the biggest size of 7/11 big gulps they can buy; they frequent fast food joints - their eating and lifestyle habits are lousy.

We have over 60% obesity rates here in North America.

Every decade it's getting worse and worse.

If you go back to the 1950's, 60's, 70's there was never this big of a problem with obesity.

Being a BBW (Big Beached Whale) is disgusting, it's unhealthy, I don't want to sleep with it or marry it and it's a moral outrage to the 100's of millions of people who go to bed hungry every single night of their life.

Take the fork out of your mouth, go out and exercise every day for 30-45 mins and stop eating crap.

It's not rocket science and anyone with a 5th grade education knows what they need to do.
 

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That's really sweet and all... but sorry you are just being brainwashed by all the fatties. Most of the fat people I know walk around with the biggest size of 7/11 big gulps they can buy; they frequent fast food joints - their eating and lifestyle habits are lousy.

We have over 60% obesity rates here in North America.

Every decade it's getting worse and worse.

If you go back to the 1950's, 60's, 70's there was never this big of a problem with obesity.

Being a BBW (Big Beached Whale) is disgusting, it's unhealthy, I don't want to sleep with it or marry it and it's a moral outrage to the 100's of millions of people who go to bed hungry every single night of their life.

Take the fork out of your mouth, go out and exercise every day for 30-45 mins and stop eating crap.

It's not rocket science and anyone with a 5th grade education knows what they need to do.
"Most of the fat people I know walk around with the biggest size of 7/11 big gulps they can buy; they frequent fast food joints - their eating and lifestyle habits are lousy."

I'm sure you know every obese person in the world, yes?

"Being a BBW (Big Beached Whale) is disgusting, it's unhealthy, I don't want to sleep with it or marry it and it's a moral outrage to the 100's of millions of people who go to bed hungry every single night of their life."

Well I find being a degrading, dehumanizing piece of shit a terrible quality in a human and I wouldn't want to sleep with you or anyone like you, which is a moral outrage to the hundreds of millions of people in the world who don't wake up every morning looking to shit on other people to make themselves feel morally superior.

I consider myself a pretty tolerant and even-keeled person, but the amount of hate-speech you spew is absolutely disgusting. Why do you hate fat people so much, did one of them steal your bike as a kid (oh wait, in before the obligatory "lol they don't ride bikes cuz they're fat lol" bullshit)?

Also, in regards to your 'outrage' for the starving people in the world or the health of the 'fatties' (your words), stop feigning concern to thinly veil your actual agenda. It's as transparent as Saran Wrap. Maybe you should just actually own up and be an asshole for being an asshole's sake instead of using actual world issues as an excuse.

Go step on a bunch of legos.
 

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More than denying oneself that piece of pecan pie

One's optimal weight for existence can vary as we progress through life stages.

Obesity goes beyond that extra piece of pie; perhaps that's weight management. Obesity is environmental, biological, psychological and genetic inheritance. Add nutrition choices, which are heavily influenced by geography and socioeconomic status, and it doesn't take much to understand that obesity is more than a question of will.

The Canadian Obesity Network writes:

One in four adult Canadians and one in 10 children are clinically obese, meaning six million Canadians living with obesity require immediate support in managing and controlling their excess weight. As a leading cause of type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, stroke, arthritis and cancer, the condition impacts those who have obesity, their families, employers, neighbours, health practitioners and governments.

The impact of bias and discrimination against people with obesity is comparable to that of racial discrimination, and it’s just as common. Weight bias translates into significant inequities in employment, health, health care and education, often due to widespread negative stereotypes that persons with obesity are lazy, unmotivated or lacking in self‐discipline.

A 2010 report estimated that direct costs of overweight and obesity represented $6 billion – 4.1 % of Canada’s total health care budget. However, this estimate only accounts for health care costs related to obesity, and does not account for productivity loss, reductions in tax revenues or psychosocial costs.
There's a good article with references in today's NYT.

The findings, to be published Thursday in The New England Journal of Medicine, do not explain why the effect occurs. Researchers say it may be a combination of genetic predispositions to being heavy and environments that encourage overeating in those prone to it. But the results do provide a possible explanation for why efforts to help children lose weight have often had disappointing results. The steps may have aimed too broadly at all schoolchildren, rather than starting before children enrolled in kindergarten and concentrating on those who were already fat at very young ages.
Check that privilege and consider the 212 lb 11 year old.

BTW - the comments are everything you'd expect.

"Kindness" is a good first step.
 

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"Most of the fat people I know walk around with the biggest size of 7/11 big gulps they can buy; they frequent fast food joints - their eating and lifestyle habits are lousy."

I'm sure you know every obese person in the world, yes?
(snip in which Ms Peyton goes verbally medieval...)
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Peyton, I adore you just a little more than a little bit right now...
 
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