fantastic

[LonelyGhost]

that's what most reviews will now tell you here ...

it seems that 'bad' reviews of sp's will not be tolerated, particularly (and this is just a guess on my part) if they pay to advertise on perb.

it seems, based on what i was told by someone in the 'business' that an sp can request that any and all reviews of her can be removed from perb if she so requests!!!

from my experience with reviews here on perb that i have posted, the response from the business owners has been positive and swiftly dealt with when problems have been noted in the review ... everything from an apology to a discount!

this new (?) policy makes every review suspect, and not only takes away the consumer's opportunity to avoid bad situations, but also takes away the owners' ability to take care of problems as well -- though, they might respond that an e-mail or phone call would work as well for their needs ...

but not ours.

my feeling is that if an sp doesn't want to be reviewed, she can make that request AND provide a reasonable service -- not a toftt!!!

as well, if a review seems 'over-the-top' it can be edited or deleted and reposted ... no one wants abuse or lies or a vendetta played out here.

but having reviews simply disappear casts doubt on the whole review section and defeats the purpose of having a 'review' board.

maybe it is time to decide whether this is a review board or just another advertising forum -- this board needs to earn money as well as any other business, but seems to have a conflict of interest between stakeholders.

if anything i have written is incorrect, then please correct it ...

if this thread simply disappears without an explanation, then i think it is time to find a different place to post and read reviews.

 

[Hipster Doofus]

ya'know...I really think that boards of this nature are coming to an end. As a veteran of PERB, Canbest, VERB, BigDoggie, CER, WSG and ASP , these type of communications has been around for a decade. ( and I've been around for a looooOOoong time)

Sometimes I read this stuff and I know the information is being manipulated.... but on the other hand, every crazy goofball anarchist has a computer with broadband and there has to be some sort of failsafe for information that is simply not true. .

But what is true and not true? How do you separate the flotsam?

Pooners need to evolve, but to what I am not sure.

 

[LonelyGhost]

good point hipster ...

but the reality of having a bad review simply disappear is much different from stuff being posted that has been manipulated -- as such, I am the first to admit that I had to learn whose reviews to trust and to recognize those that were/are 'manipulated'.

the warning flags go up much faster these days on some posts and i simply ignore them or comment on the review.

i don't know if these boards will die, but they need to determine which side of the business they want to be on. otherwise, it will the same herd moving from one board to the other with someone in the background manipulating the reviews.

the other point for me, is that the agencies i have dealt with (Victoria's Eden, Seduction Unlimited and Island Beauties) have typically dealt with problems fairly and promptly, particularly those related to 'time paid and time stayed' ... but this disappearing review act doesn't look good for anyone whether an independent or an agency. In fact, it is worse for the agency because they can't just keep changing their name in the hope that no one remembers their last 10 names like some of the indies have tried (on their own and through agencies).

No one is expecting that every sp provide every visitor with the experience of a lifetime because YMMV on any given day ... but when the client pays for an hour and gets shown the door in 20 minutes, then everyone has the right to know about it.

 

[Hipster Doofus]

PERB is like an online broker. It brings buyers and sellers together and so its duty is to protect BOTH buyers and sellers. The same mechanism that gets a review deleted is also protecting your ass.

I read the review you refer to - it seemed the appointment had some mitigating circumstances that were extraordinary...(not to make excuses for her) but she is not normally like that. She is one sexy lady.

 

[chhj]

Well, as the “benefactor” of the SP in question’s service – I did not leave a happy camper or feel I was treated fairly or received what was advertised. But that’s irrelevant - the whole point here is that that’s just my opinion – if we really have board free of arbitrary (or systematic) censorship (notwithstanding the posting rules) then others are free to draw their own conclusions and make their own decisions on who to see (or not).

 

[yogi]

"PERB is like an online broker. It brings buyers and sellers together and so its duty is to protect BOTH buyers and sellers."

WTF? I think you're placing too much of a fiduciary burden on PERB. It's simply a forum, not all that different from a supermarket bulletin board.

Even if this guy getting stiffed is the exception as to her services, it's still worth leaving it for all to see & rebut if needed.

 

[TheNewGuy]

I'm keeping quite...must bite tongue!

 

[LonelyGhost]

yogi

that's the main point ... while the agencies and the sp's complain that bad reviews cost them money, they seem to ignore the fact that it is OUR money to begin with!!!!

the other solution, and its not a good one for anyone, is to go to a 'jungle tree' system of me telling someone who tells someone else etc and the agencies and the sp's never know what's going on and cannot respond to it fairly ... its just that suddenly an sp will get a bad rep and no one knows why.

better to have most of it out in the open where there can be some give and take on the version of events and some avenue of amelioration can be opened.

in the majority of cases where i have posted a review of an sp at an agency and said 'this was not a good experience' I have been contacted with an apology and explanation and a promise to look into it ...

that can't happen if bad reviews just disappear.

 

[yogi]

Agree thoroughly. Any SP or agency who objects to the fair, open, & transparent PERB ideal is small-minded, short-sighted, & not anyone I'd want to hire.

Sure a bad review might generate some initial embarrassment, discomfort & maybe a little lost $. But I & many others observe carefully how/if complaints are addressed. Those sp's/agencies that resolve complaints in a fair, mature, & customer-oriented manner gain huge points, as it should be. Those who dig in & engage in a pissing contest reveal their true colors.

Sometimes they might end up looking better than those who never get bad reviews! Example: there was a study of customer satisfaction at hotels. They asked people to rate their stay & the likelihood of returning. Who had the highest likelihood of returning, those whose stay was rated as "excellent"? Not so! It was those who had a major problem, then complained, & found it to be resolved in a prompt professional manner.

 

[Luscious]

removed reviews

I have said this a few times in the deleted posts and will say it again. I agree 100% that ALL reviews should stay unless they break the rules. 100% including good/bad/fake/real/suspected fake etc..... The comments and discussion that follow ANY review allow everyone to have a say and allow lurkers to form opinions about certain SP's, Indy's, Agencies and of course the reliability of Reviewers. VE has NEVER asked for a bad review to be removed and never will. Do a search! As for the SP Review in question, a good review would have been removed just as quick. She does not want to be on the board at all. I think that is a fair option for anyone as long as its all or nothing; not 'pick and choose' . We have all seen many bad reviews disappear without a trace yet the good reviews stay. That is bullshit and does diminish the value of the board.

 

[yogi]

I don't see what an sp or agency is afraid of.
A bad review is an opportunity to show off their customer sevice skills. Use it!

 

[sweetascandy]

There is nothing wrong with anyone who wants privacy. Even with a sps fake name. You cant argue about it.
Cheers,

 

[chhj]

Umm, why would it be reasonable for a SP (who obviously uses a pseudonym for anonymity) to demand removal of all reviews of her? This stance becomes further hard to rationalize when said SP has pictures readily available on the web.

I’m also having problems rationalizing your argument that SP’s should be able to chose and all or nothing option when in fact there are numerous reviews of the SP which remain on Perb (e.g. RobBC, Kevster) – which by sheer coincidence - they happened to be positive reviews.

 

[Luscious]

Ummmmm

Do circumstances ever change in your life where you have to make certain adjustments to certain areas to resolve private issues that may have arose? I know this is rather cryptic but my point is that things happen in peoples lives. We all need to survive and make changes to deal with things. ANY FUTURE mention of this certain SP will be removed from board. This is not my doing but hers. I simply stated MY OPINION that I think that it is fair for an SP to stop any further posting about her as long as its ALL OR NOTHING. It is up to PERB to decide whether an SP's reason is valid. Dont like it? Talk to PERB. Although I do appreciate your valiant attempts to 'rationalize' my opinions, I assure you it is not necessary. What makes this board work is that we are ALL entitled to our opinions despite how 'irrational' mine may seem and how 'short sited' and 'flogging a dead horse' like yours may seem......time to move on

 

[LonelyGhost]

well guys ...

it seems that we will have to learn to read and download quickly ... i will still post reviews and then pm them to people so that they don't just disappear into nowhere ...

i suggest the cchj do the same with this 'sp who cannot be named' and then there is really 'nothing' on the board about her but we are still able to read about her.

inefficient -- yes ... but where there's a will, there's a way.

and luscious, if we have a right to our opinions, then why are you criticizing us for having them? i thought that this didn't concern you and yet here you are and that makes me, at least, go hmmmm.

 

[Luscious]

subject of reviews

in general does have something to do with me. I agree that it is better for all if all reviews stay however I also agree that if an SP reason is good enough for the MOD's to keep their name off the board then I suppose that its good enough for me too. So 'hmmmmmmm' away! I would like to add a suggestion to your idea as well. If it is a VE lady please include me on that PM list. Thanks

 

[maude]

Other Options ....

it seems that we will have to learn to read and download quickly ... i will still post reviews and then pm them to people so that they don't just disappear into nowhere ...

i suggest the cchj do the same with this 'sp who cannot be named' and then there is really 'nothing' on the board about her but we are still able to read about her.

inefficient -- yes ... but where there's a will, there's a way.

As you suggest, one needs to cut and paste/download intel of interest quickly if long term retention of intel is desired ... notwithstanding the sp statement of "retirement", info on related sites continues to reflect lady is still in action ....

Another option to consider is to cut and paste reviews to other boards. Most of us scan other boards, and since it seems easy enough to remove undesirable intel from PERB, perhaps a wider distribution to other links will facilitate dissemination of relevant information and allow gents to make informed decisions when selection their companion of the moment. After all, once written, cut and paste is too easy . . .

 

[Hipster Doofus]

facilitate dissemination

I facilitated dissemination last nite when I emptied my nuts into a hooker! bwhahaha!

 

[maude]

Yes, but ...

I facilitated dissemination last nite when I emptied my nuts into a hooker! bwhahaha!

.... most know that two strokes and you are at the end of the runway .... lol ...

 

[steverino]

It does get confusing when you have many of the same ladies working under different names operating out of a different location for higher prices with a different agency name but the original agency does the booking....