Facial Recognition to access adult film and content....

[susi]

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/streaming-bill-age-verification-porn

So, as predicted - the anti sex work crusaders have slipped in an amendment to Bill C-11 at the last minute. age verification/ facial recognition/AI will now be required for all adult content sites to so called protect children from viewing adult content.

For those who are unfamiliar with how bad this tech is and how unproven/ bias it is i suggest checking out "Coded Bias" - the film ex[plains it well.

https://www.codedbias.com/

it has passed the house once, now the senate committee has approved it..... seems inevitable now....

love susie

 

[susi]

Also, Michael Geist is an expert in the field;

https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2022/12...irement-for-online-undertakings-to-bill-c-11/

 

[WandErection]

Wow this is fucking ridiculous. The privacy implications are outrageous.

That's what we get for having religious dinosaur lawmakers.


But, like Michael Geist says:

I don’t see how it survives a constitutional challenge.

 

[susi]

here's hoping... court takes a long time though and i worry about how much data they will collect in the mean time.....

love susie

 

[luvsdaty]

I'd place a cardboard face in front 9f the little camera, maybe some Yankee religious zealot ? Oral Robert's perhaps

 

[oldshark]

I'd place a cardboard face in front 9f the little camera, maybe some Yankee religious zealot ? Oral Robert's perhaps

I will simply put Pierre Poilievre's face in front of the camera. This whole problem is coming from the Conservatives' amendment and they should have ownership.

 

[johnywalker87]

Wow this is fucking ridiculous. The privacy implications are outrageous.

That's what we get for having religious dinosaur lawmakers.


But, like Michael Geist says:

It was Trudeau who introduced this bill in the first place.

 

[westwoody]

So the govt will have a databank of faces and identifying data for everyone who wants to look at porn?
Good thing nobody has ever leaked anything online.

The real danger is going the Communist China route, where criticism of the government is deemed unacceptable and critics are trackable and identified.

 

[Larry's Torch]

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/streaming-bill-age-verification-porn

So, as predicted - the anti sex work crusaders have slipped in an amendment to Bill C-11 at the last minute. age verification/ facial recognition/AI will now be required for all adult content sites to so called protect children from viewing adult content.

(snip)

it has passed the house once, now the senate committee has approved it..... seems inevitable now....

love susie

I read through the article you posted and didn't see anything about facial recognition/AI.

From the article:
"The committee passed the amendment on Tuesday. . ."

"The amended version of the legislation must be approved by the full Senate and then go back to the House of Commons before it becomes law. If it does pass into law, it would be up to the CRTC to decide how to implement the age verification requirement."

The article said it has been proposed and passed by a committee; it doesn't say that the Senate has approved it.
Doesn't seem "inevitable".

From the article:
University of Ottawa law professor Vivek Krishnamurthy. said the amendment “interferes with the rights Canadians enjoy under the charter and international law to access information anonymously.”

University of Ottawa law professor Michael Geist said on his blog Tuesday that if the amendment survives the legislative process, he doesn’t “see how it survives a constitutional challenge.”

It looks as though there will be legal challenges to this proposed legislation. So many bills 'die' in the House when they are held up to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

 

[westwoody]

It was Trudeau who introduced this bill in the first place.

Trudeau introduced it, the Senate dreamed up the amendment.
Senator Julie is a real piece of work!
More proof the Senate needs to go NOW.
Fuck those grifters and leeches of EVERY party.

 

[Larry's Torch]

Technically PERB has an age verification requirement (kinda):

(snip)
"You must be 18 years of age to enter this site in Canada or of legal age in the constituency in which you reside providing such community laws allow such activity. If persons under 18 years of age have access to the Internet through your computer, please monitor the person's use of the Internet. By entering this site you acknowledge and agree to the above."

 

[susi]

I read through the article you posted and didn't see anything about facial recognition/AI.

From the article:
"The committee passed the amendment on Tuesday. . ."

"The amended version of the legislation must be approved by the full Senate and then go back to the House of Commons before it becomes law. If it does pass into law, it would be up to the CRTC to decide how to implement the age verification requirement."

The article said it has been proposed and passed by a committee; it doesn't say that the Senate has approved it.
Doesn't seem "inevitable".

From the article:
University of Ottawa law professor Vivek Krishnamurthy. said the amendment “interferes with the rights Canadians enjoy under the charter and international law to access information anonymously.”

University of Ottawa law professor Michael Geist said on his blog Tuesday that if the amendment survives the legislative process, he doesn’t “see how it survives a constitutional challenge.”

It looks as though there will be legal challenges to this proposed legislation. So many bills 'die' in the House when they are held up to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

so.... this is political gold for either side... and they are both involved...."save the children from porn!!!!" looks good for any of them....

I testified in committee against a similar bill calling for facial recognition - which is the "age verification" they are referring to.... untested, unproven, bias.....

you should have heard the politicians.... oooo, we could get data on what porn Canadians are looking at!!! 11 year old boys if exposed to porn will rape 3 and 4 year old girls.... it was unbelievable..... or rather sadly... completely believable....

this will pass although groups like open media and the CCLA will fight it how ever they can.... there is no chance to appear before committee now, the report is done and the Senate will accept the recommendations of the committee as per usual.... passing the Bill is a formality at this point....

so while it may seem like it's not a big deal or not a threat....having the CRTC regulate who can see what on the internet and in control of data about adult content.... is not safe for anyone and presents a threat in particular to sex workers who now create on-line content as a supplement to exotic dancing for an example.... many sex workers work across many genres....

I hope that explains why I am worried Larrry.... a charter challenge takes years and years.... and i am not entirely certain this would be an issue considered by the court....unless we were to sue the government over the bill.... which again.... money, time.... while the gov collects data about our most intimate thoughts and exposes us to potential harm via data breach or worse...

love susie

 

[susi]

I'd place a cardboard face in front 9f the little camera, maybe some Yankee religious zealot ? Oral Robert's perhaps

lolololol.... not sure that would work... the age verification reads your face (facial recognition/AI) then based on it's "learning": decides if you are of age.... this tech has a hard time read the faces of brown and black people, women and is - i am sure - incapable of determining age....

then you become data - your estimated age, what you looked at, your estimated gender.... as... none of the rhetoric around this talks about women viewing porn... as if only men - dirty pervert sex buying men - lololol sorry but that;s how it's viewed.... - only men view adult content or "boys" - who are all being corrupted by porn and becoming "violent predators"... so the AI/ age verification/ facial recognition will not have learned about women...

My concern is - we don't know what will happen or how this will play out.... neither do they....

love susie

 

[too timid]

it starts with the porn but if/when allowed where will it stop, all data collection is used to profile and judge, anonymity might only exist person to person but the government will eventually know your biometrics, earning and spending habits (as cash disappears) and more then likely your location at anytime if inclined.

 

[susi]

agreed.... this is only one aspect of a very dark future...they're testing it on us all the time....the size of the adult content consumer population and content creators makes us a perfect testing ground for widespread use of AI/ facial recognition/age verification

 

[luvsdaty]

Well they're already racially profiling me so porn profiling can just be added to the pile.

 

[WandErection]

It's clear that what we need now is technology to infer age from the wrinkle density in the subject's balls.

Privacy + accuracy = profit.

 

[Larry's Torch]

(snip)

I hope that explains why I am worried Larrry.... a charter challenge takes years and years.... and i am not entirely certain this would be an issue considered by the court....unless we were to sue the government over the bill.... which again.... money, time.... while the gov collects data about our most intimate thoughts and exposes us to potential harm via data breach or worse...

love susie

My main concern with this thread is that you are stating that it is a 'done deal'. There are procedures that must be implemented before a proposed bill becomes law.

For example; under the Harper administration in 2013, an internet surveillance bill was scrapped when it was determined that it would violate peoples' rights under the charter.

Harper government kills controversial Internet surveillance bill.
Government killing online surveillance bill.
Internet surveillance bill scrapped, new law to be unveiled.

Again, from the article that you posted:

"University of Ottawa law professor Vivek Krishnamurthy. said the amendment “interferes with the rights Canadians enjoy under the charter and international law to access information anonymously.” "

"University of Ottawa law professor Michael Geist said on his blog Tuesday that if the amendment survives the legislative process, he doesn’t “see how it survives a constitutional challenge.” "

These are two law professors who teach law stating that it would violate our rights and freedoms under The Charter. Therefore it would in all likelihood not become law and therefore would not need a lengthy "charter challenge" to overturn it.
Honestly, I'm not entirely sure of the difference between a Charter Challenge and a Constitutional Challenge, but I believe the first one takes place in the Supreme Court after a bill becomes law and the second one takes place within Parliament during the process of bringing the bill into legislation.
The inference I am getting from these professors is that it wouldn't make it into law as the Constitutional Challenge in Parliament would shut it down.

As for facial recognition/AI:
For example: When you walk into a mall there are countless security cameras throughout the building. The video recorded is stored on servers in case it is needed for any legal issues. They would need facial recognition/AI software installed on their computers in order to run the video through it, or be able to run the video through another computer with the software installed. In order to implement the "proposed legislation"; every internet connection in Canada would have to pass through government servers with the software installed which would be able to run the application and return a result in real time. The hardware logistics for this would be a bit of a nightmare.

I'm not saying that government isn't occasionally pushing the boundaries, but I don't believe that all proposed bills make it into law to violate our rights and freedoms either.

(whew, ikr?)

 

[Larry's Torch]

(snip)but the government will eventually know your biometrics, earning and spending habits

You mean like The Canada Revenue Agency?

(as cash disappears) and more then likely your location at anytime if inclined.

Right now. This very second. Your telecommunications provider knows where you are to within a few meters and where you've been for weeks if not months.
If any law enforcement agency approaches them with the correct paperwork (ie. warrant) they will provide that information to them.
There are thousands of people around the world who are doing some serious time for some serious crimes (yo) because they were dumb enough to have had their phones with them during the commission of said crimes.
And yet people worry about the government "tracking" us.

 

[Larry's Torch]

Additional Info:

If you want to do something to try to change this, you can write the senator who is responsible for the amendment.
Senator Julie Miville-Dechene
And/or your local MLA/MP.

P.S. This guy has a TON of useful info on Canadian Law and how it impacts us as Canadians.