I realize that Emmy. I was making a point that it can occur even at lower elevations. Being from the West Coast and hiking and climbing at elevations 3 X the height of our Coastal range does have an effect upon your performance.
Everest climber urged by sherpas to turn back because of fatigue
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What's to believe? They were questions. Yet unanswered, BTW.
No-ing yourself relates to self-control, e.g. avoiding vain useless temptations of grandioseness, as in "i climbed Everest", or "I swam the English Channel", or "I bungee jumped", or "I, I, I".
Yeah, but it will be pretty traumatic for your mom to find you in floor of her basement bathroom, with a rope around the light fixture and a pair of her panties in your mouth. That's pretty selfish, Lenny...
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this comment makes me hypocrite already. but i would go up to mount everest in a minute. even if i knew i was going to die. truth is, getting on a plane and making it to base camp would be an accomplishment in a lot of people's minds. let's be honest, how many can truly say they could be on their deathbed tomorrow and not say "i wish i had..."
When i was learning to fly light planes . 10.000 ft ( 3000 m ) was the height that you needed Oxygen or you could not function for very long .
I understood from listening to a few program on climbing the tall mountains that you had to do acclimatization to the high altitudes by doing it is steps to different levels , staying a few days then going higher , staying again a few days and so on.. But still you would have to use oxygen some time to help.
All these clime used to be done with oxygen but now some are done with a lot less , meaning a lot less to carry and getting up and down faster..
From the story in the Globe .. It looks like they are trying to get to many people up the mountain in a short time .. and not giving them enough oxygen to do it with . Now altitude sickness is a lot more then just lack of Oxygen it is all so the low air pressure .. and what physiological affects that have on the bodies circulatory system That is why we we fly in pressurized planes above 10,00 ft also . The average person can not stand the change in pressure or lack of oxygen . But the people of the Himalayas and Andie's they have evolved to adapt to the high altitude.
I think the rash of deaths on the mountain is being caused by pure greed on the part of the people that set up these climes .. And then the obsessiveness of the people that want to clime Everest .. that is a sickness too that obviously has killed many . Doing something where you are likely to suffer brain damage from lack of oxygen , physiological damage to the body due to lack of pressure , they need pressure suits like jet pilots or astronauts ,, And also there is all way the chance of frost bit and gangrene . i would say these people are nuts , not brave .
It is not one of my dream to clime Everest
I understood from listening to a few program on climbing the tall mountains that you had to do acclimatization to the high altitudes by doing it is steps to different levels , staying a few days then going higher , staying again a few days and so on.. But still you would have to use oxygen some time to help.
All these clime used to be done with oxygen but now some are done with a lot less , meaning a lot less to carry and getting up and down faster..
From the story in the Globe .. It looks like they are trying to get to many people up the mountain in a short time .. and not giving them enough oxygen to do it with . Now altitude sickness is a lot more then just lack of Oxygen it is all so the low air pressure .. and what physiological affects that have on the bodies circulatory system That is why we we fly in pressurized planes above 10,00 ft also . The average person can not stand the change in pressure or lack of oxygen . But the people of the Himalayas and Andie's they have evolved to adapt to the high altitude.
I think the rash of deaths on the mountain is being caused by pure greed on the part of the people that set up these climes .. And then the obsessiveness of the people that want to clime Everest .. that is a sickness too that obviously has killed many . Doing something where you are likely to suffer brain damage from lack of oxygen , physiological damage to the body due to lack of pressure , they need pressure suits like jet pilots or astronauts ,, And also there is all way the chance of frost bit and gangrene . i would say these people are nuts , not brave .
It is not one of my dream to clime Everest
OMG what a sad story! Her body is still up there and is waiting to be retrieved.
Globe and Mail Story:
The Nepalese outfitter who organized the Everest climb of Toronto woman Shriya Shah-Klorfine says a team of six sherpas will try to recover her body from the peak’s “death zone” later this week if they get approval from insurers.
Ganesh Thakuri, managing director of Utmost Adventure Trekking Pvt. Ltd., said he was among several who were with Ms. Shah-Klorfine, as she grew tired as she waited above 8,000 metres for her turn to the summit of the world’s highest mountain.
The 33-year-old Canadian woman was one of at least four climbers who died on Everest Saturday.
About 11 p.m. the previous day, her group had left Camp IV, the final camp at 7,800 metres, on a rocky, windy saddle on the southern route to the summit.
By the next morning, they paused at The Balcony, a platform at about 8,310 metres in altitude, but faced delays of two hours on the route ahead because of the high volume of climbers taking advantage of the narrow window of good weather.
“I asked her, `Please sister, don’t push yourself. If you feel weak, please go back. You can come next year, try to climb next year. Don’t push yourself, it might kill you’ ,” Mr. Thakuri said by telephone from Kathmandu.
He said the Canadian replied. ““I really want to go. I really want to reach the top.”
With two guides, Temba Sherpa and Dawa Dendi Sherpa, she reached summit between 2:15 and 2:30 p.m.
However, descending in the evening, the 33-year-old Canadian was exhausted and had run out of oxygen bottles.
“It was very slow walking. She could not walk. The two sherpas bring her down,” Mr. Thakuri said.
“It became very, very late. Around 10:30 p.m. she lost everything. She was dead and the sherpas left her there and came down.”
Mr. Thakuri’s account was mirrored by Grayson Schaffer, a journalist who was at base camp. In an account for Outside magazine, Mr. Schaffer wrote that the two sherpas and two other climbers urged her to turn back. “By that point, she wasn’t speaking, but was still signaling aggressively that she wanted to keep going up.”
Ms. Shah-Klorfine’s body still lays somewhere at 8,500 metres, between Camp IV, on the South Col and the South Summit, Mr. Thakuri said.
He said the sherpas came back the next morning and took pictures with her camera to document her death, then moved her body to get it out of the way.
A team could leave base camp Thursday to retrieve Ms. Shah-Klorfine’s remains.
“I am talking with insurance company in Canada. We are hoping to take her body down to camp II within three to four days,” Mr. Thakuri said.
“I am just waiting for green light from this insurance company.”
(Camp II is at 6,500 meters, next to a glacial valley known as Western Cwm.)
He said it was impossible to force Ms. Shah-Klorfine to turn around when she was so determined to reach the summit.
“She was telling me `I spent a lot of money to come over here. It’s my dream’,” he said.
“I really pushed her hard but it didn’t work. We couldn’t carry her down ourselves and come down … There is no way that we can carry her and walk down. It is too high. It’s too hard.”
(Her climb was organized by Utmost Adventure but some media accounts mention Happy Feet Mountaineers, another outfitter who joined Mr. Thakuri’s firm to meet the seven-person permit requirement.) In addition to Ms. Shah-Klorfine, others who died Saturday included a German doctor, Eberhard Schaaf, 61, South Korean Song Won-bin, 24, and Ha Wenyi, 55, from China.
Up to 10 people have died on Everest expeditions this season, according to a tally kept by American mountaineer Alan Arnette, who reached the summit last year.
Original Globe and Mail Article: Sherpas to attempt recovery of Canadian climber’s body from peak
Globe and Mail Story:
The Nepalese outfitter who organized the Everest climb of Toronto woman Shriya Shah-Klorfine says a team of six sherpas will try to recover her body from the peak’s “death zone” later this week if they get approval from insurers.
Ganesh Thakuri, managing director of Utmost Adventure Trekking Pvt. Ltd., said he was among several who were with Ms. Shah-Klorfine, as she grew tired as she waited above 8,000 metres for her turn to the summit of the world’s highest mountain.
The 33-year-old Canadian woman was one of at least four climbers who died on Everest Saturday.
About 11 p.m. the previous day, her group had left Camp IV, the final camp at 7,800 metres, on a rocky, windy saddle on the southern route to the summit.
By the next morning, they paused at The Balcony, a platform at about 8,310 metres in altitude, but faced delays of two hours on the route ahead because of the high volume of climbers taking advantage of the narrow window of good weather.
“I asked her, `Please sister, don’t push yourself. If you feel weak, please go back. You can come next year, try to climb next year. Don’t push yourself, it might kill you’ ,” Mr. Thakuri said by telephone from Kathmandu.
He said the Canadian replied. ““I really want to go. I really want to reach the top.”
With two guides, Temba Sherpa and Dawa Dendi Sherpa, she reached summit between 2:15 and 2:30 p.m.
However, descending in the evening, the 33-year-old Canadian was exhausted and had run out of oxygen bottles.
“It was very slow walking. She could not walk. The two sherpas bring her down,” Mr. Thakuri said.
“It became very, very late. Around 10:30 p.m. she lost everything. She was dead and the sherpas left her there and came down.”
Mr. Thakuri’s account was mirrored by Grayson Schaffer, a journalist who was at base camp. In an account for Outside magazine, Mr. Schaffer wrote that the two sherpas and two other climbers urged her to turn back. “By that point, she wasn’t speaking, but was still signaling aggressively that she wanted to keep going up.”
Ms. Shah-Klorfine’s body still lays somewhere at 8,500 metres, between Camp IV, on the South Col and the South Summit, Mr. Thakuri said.
He said the sherpas came back the next morning and took pictures with her camera to document her death, then moved her body to get it out of the way.
A team could leave base camp Thursday to retrieve Ms. Shah-Klorfine’s remains.
“I am talking with insurance company in Canada. We are hoping to take her body down to camp II within three to four days,” Mr. Thakuri said.
“I am just waiting for green light from this insurance company.”
(Camp II is at 6,500 meters, next to a glacial valley known as Western Cwm.)
He said it was impossible to force Ms. Shah-Klorfine to turn around when she was so determined to reach the summit.
“She was telling me `I spent a lot of money to come over here. It’s my dream’,” he said.
“I really pushed her hard but it didn’t work. We couldn’t carry her down ourselves and come down … There is no way that we can carry her and walk down. It is too high. It’s too hard.”
(Her climb was organized by Utmost Adventure but some media accounts mention Happy Feet Mountaineers, another outfitter who joined Mr. Thakuri’s firm to meet the seven-person permit requirement.) In addition to Ms. Shah-Klorfine, others who died Saturday included a German doctor, Eberhard Schaaf, 61, South Korean Song Won-bin, 24, and Ha Wenyi, 55, from China.
Up to 10 people have died on Everest expeditions this season, according to a tally kept by American mountaineer Alan Arnette, who reached the summit last year.
Original Globe and Mail Article: Sherpas to attempt recovery of Canadian climber’s body from peak
Its such a meaningless accomplishment all it takes is money anyone can climb Everest these days a blind guy has done it a guy with no legs they've even tied aluminum ladders to the mountain in the hard parts there should be rules outlawing anyone who hasn't climbed above 7000m from even setting foot on the mountain
Most of them make it down (years later) from the shifting ice... sad, but true.
Not the way I wanna go, personally...
I take Tyrion Lannister's death philosophy. When asked how he wanted to die, he said:
"In my own bed, at the age of 80, with a belly full of wine and a girls mouth around my cock."
Sure there is, a french company landed on the summit a few years back. But it sounds like it is just as dangerous as climbing.
Rarely do bodies ever get recovered. The hike to the top of Everest requires you to basically stroll through a cemetery or two of corpses.
The amount of effort and risk involved just getting up there and then spending even more energy bringing the body down (meanwhile trying to avoid some of the obstacles which killed the initial trekkers) may turn the recovery mission into an even larger recover mission for the future.
I do remember reading how one Japanese women retreating to one of the camps just suddenly stopped, sat down and never got back up again.... even though she was like less than 50 metres away from everyone else. It's some strange phenomenon that occurs when you're up on Everest where you just stop everything. Reason? Nobody knows since no autopsy can be done. Her corpse is still there I think, just sitting there "watching" everyone that walks by.
There are probably lots more of similar stories....
brain runs out of glutcose, the person begins to see in black and white, soon logic begins to fail
if the bodies have been trained extensively, they are able to physically endure but the brain just runs out of gas so to speak
many endurance sports athletes have experienced this and now it is mainly how to replenish nutrients
if the bodies have been trained extensively, they are able to physically endure but the brain just runs out of gas so to speak
many endurance sports athletes have experienced this and now it is mainly how to replenish nutrients
His body's not that bad........
Obviously he's no Matthew Mcconaughey. Anyway, his lady friend doesn't seem to mind it too much Looks like an effort to recover her body has started and hopefully will be retrieved on Sunday.
Other climbers were also on the move Friday, but with a more sombre purpose. After being delayed by an avalanche Thursday, sherpas set out on a mission to retrieve the remains of Shriya Shah-Klorfine, the 33-year-old Toronto woman who was one of four who died last Saturday.
The recovery of her body, believed to be near the Balcony, at 8,310 metres, is expected to take place Sunday.
Read more: In shadow of climber’s death, Canadians reach Everest summit
This is such a sad story. Seems the poor woman also left behind a husband who supported her in dreams.
It was by all accounts an overwhelming obsession. According to earlier Globe reports, Ms. Shah-Klorfine, a Toronto entrepreneur, and her husband had remortgaged their house and put off having children so she could take on Everest.
Read more: Is climbing Everest really a dream worth dying for?
Other climbers were also on the move Friday, but with a more sombre purpose. After being delayed by an avalanche Thursday, sherpas set out on a mission to retrieve the remains of Shriya Shah-Klorfine, the 33-year-old Toronto woman who was one of four who died last Saturday.
The recovery of her body, believed to be near the Balcony, at 8,310 metres, is expected to take place Sunday.
Read more: In shadow of climber’s death, Canadians reach Everest summit
This is such a sad story. Seems the poor woman also left behind a husband who supported her in dreams.
It was by all accounts an overwhelming obsession. According to earlier Globe reports, Ms. Shah-Klorfine, a Toronto entrepreneur, and her husband had remortgaged their house and put off having children so she could take on Everest.
Read more: Is climbing Everest really a dream worth dying for?
You, tell us. You raised the point. Of course, if you don't think he climbed Everest, I'm sure will provide us with some probative evidence beyond what he looks like in the photo. Until then, you sound like nothing but a one-trick pony broken record.
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Give me a break! Shelby raised her opinion. No need to get nasty. Taking on a summit quest on Everest can only be done by someone in great shape. It is the pinnacle of human physical endurance. I've got a belly, although I'm fast losing it...there's no way I could do that climb on my own merits just yet. I'm sure he didn't do it without assistance...in that case...he didn't "really" do it. It would piss me off a bit if I got in the best shape possible...and still didn't make it...and then an out of shape guy does it and he's the hero ( yet he obviously didn't do it on his own merits..but others').
Touche my dear...very good analogy. This Steve guy reminds me of the Steve Fonyo who pretended to repeat the Terry Fox run across Canada.(BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY HE DID IT ON HIS OWN AND WHEN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR CHARITY YOU MUST DO IT ON YOUR OWN OTHERWISE U HAVE NO BUSINESS ACCEPTING THE DONATIONS AND BECOMING A HERO)..but I know someone involved in that charity run and Fonyo only ran when the cameras were rolling in towns....he sat in the truck for most of his run.....there also was a donation box on the back platform of the truck....he routinely was seen grabbing cash from the box and buying snacks, cigarettes and candy bars at gas stations along the way...that's not fair to the memory of one of the greatest Canadian Heroes....Terry Fox.
God....I love a woman with brains
And wow is that an incredible signature pic above?
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