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this is why we are working so hard to be at the table here in vancouver to ensure things like this don't happen here as well.

edmonton licensing is completely high barier in that it breaches confidentiality of both pooner and sp, requires us to be criminal record free, is totally too expensive for an escort entering the industry and assumes we need to be "protected" or watched over all the time. it assumes we don't know how to protect ourselves and the fact that the MP license is $200 means that these business owners have alot of power over workers. what if a worker refuses to engage in dangerous work? could she be fired?blacklisted?forced onto the street?

this is the kind of licnesing we have in vancouver now. in order to work independently, we must maintian an office( commercial space). we must be in the office when answering phone calls, we must buy an escort sevice licnese and an escort license in order to work for our own escort service.

Current License Fees
Social escort service: New license: $1043, Renewal: $993
Social escort: New license: $183, Renewal: $133
officer space- $500/ month- X12= $6000

total- $7126

this is why no indy escorts take part in licnesing here. we are proposing a system of professional accreditation similar to the "serving it right" accreditation required for waitresses and bartenders who serve alcohol. we suggest a one time accreditation (not a yearly license renewal) based on an open book test, with confidentiality attached, for a low fee of say $10 bux.

all police actions taken in etown to "protect" sex workers are based on the myths of us being pimped,abused,on drugs, and of course too stupid to undertsnad the risks we are taking. these actions are the same things that ended in the trial in the case of the missing women in vancouver. i hope etown are prepared for the aftermath of such uninformed actions.

i mean really, how does a fine or criminal record help a person? or save them from the "dangerous" sex industry? so many times police have justified their asctions with "it's for your own good". it's a joke!!:mad:

alos, bobo your statements about the safety of indy workers is incorrect. it has been shown in research that indy workers are the safest and have greatest control over their working conditions. the fact that they are being forced into MP"S is sad and i would hope etown pooners would try to support indy woirkers.

the following is what we are proposing in vancouver, please remember-nothing is written in stone and all of this is up for discussion.

opening the doors- executive summary

In the spring of 2009, the City of Vancouver Mayor and Council directed all city departments to identify where they interact with the sex industry, review current policies and practices and develop plans to address safety issues arising related to survival or street level sex work.

The BC Coalition of Experiential Communities (BCCEC) has been working on these issues steadily for 7 years and has done extensive research and consultations with sex industry community members as to ways in which we could;
• increase the safety of Vancouver sex industry workers
• stem the tide of workers forced to work in the dangerous street level sex industry
• ensure workers have the tools to make safe decisions about their work and access to resources
• expose unethical businesses engaging in human trafficking or the exploitation of youth and
• address safety issues in communities affected by the street level sex industry.

The following is a summary of plans for sex industry stabilization proposed by the sex industry community and how those plans emerged.

Project Background and Rationale

During the .Developing Capacity for Change Project.-coop development work shops, Vancouver sex workers expressed how a trade association and a branding or certification process could support safer work conditions over all and stabilize the existing safer indoor venues that exist now. The development of occupational health and safety training was also seen as a way to give people entering and in the sex industry the tools to make safe decisions about their work. It was agreed that all stake holders including business owners and consumers should be engaged to contribute to the design of the future of our industry.

The Labour on the Margins Project, union development work shops facilitated by the BC Federation of Labour followed and indeed there is support amongst the sex industry community for finding ways to stabilize our safety through development of an industry association.

BCCEC members agreed that the creation of occupational health and safety training for the sex industry was the first step towards achieving the goals outlined in the Labour on the Margins Project.
With support from Vancouver Coastal Health, Northern Health and the Vancouver Foundation and over a period of 2 ½ years, the BCCEC facilitated a collaborative process engaging many sex industry constituencies in occupational health and safety community development activities.
The “Trade Secrets- Occupational Health and Safety in the Sex Industry” project is now partially complete in draft form and can be seen on line at www.tradesecretsguide.blogspot.com .
The Current Project

As a result of criminalization, the sex industry is very secretive about its practices and unwilling to open up for fear repercussions from the reactions of the mainstream community. This has lead to much speculation about conditions within the sex industry but no discussion on what to do about it.

Some fears are well founded and indeed some people experience exploitation, violence and/or dangerous conditions while working in the sex industry.

A little known part of sex industry culture is that older or more experienced workers become business owners and share their knowledge with less experienced workers in an unofficial word of mouth traditional training as to health and safety training in the sex industry.

Everyone agrees that no sex industry worker should have to face the first day of work alone or without the tools to make safe decisions about their work.

The systematic targeting and elimination of safe work environments for sex industry workers through blanket enforcement actions has proven to be one of the largest contributing factors to the ever increasing risk to the safety of sex industry community members and the communities were sex work takes place.

During the Living in Community Project (www.livingincommunity.ca) which engaged all stake holders in designing an action plan to address the immediate issues facing communities and sex workers, residents and business owners impacted by street level sex work expressed their greatest complaints were;

 The residual mess- condoms and other garbage
 The public violence- every one agrees that the level of violence endured by survival sex workers is unacceptable.
 sex in plain view- looking out your window and seeing sex workers and customers together.
 Unwanted attention from sex consumers endured by women who are not sex workers
 And their children being faced with sex workers on the street while out in the community or on the way to school

During the Living in Community Project consultations, it became clear that some enforcement actions are complaints based and that many of these complaints come from residents and business owners in communities affected by sex work. The irony here is the things they are complaining about are being caused by the systems response to their complaints in particular when those complaints are in reference to a legal and legitimate business and aimed at the eradication of that business solely based on it’s being a sex industry business.

The closure of sex industry or “sundry” businesses in Vancouver has meant sex industry workers cannot find jobs within the safer indoor industry and are forced into the dangerous street level trade.

So, how do we distinguish an ethical sex industry business owner or worker from those who are exploitative, ensure sex industry workers have safe places to work and see safety is increased in neighbourhoods impacted by the disorderly street level sex industry.

CUPE- Canadian Union of Public Employees members suggested that a system of professional accreditation could provide a starting point from which ethical workers and business owners could be identified and a review board could base decisions.

BCCEC members took this under advisement and began to explore other professions that require minimum accreditation to work in that particular field. For instance- police officers must be accredited by the police association in order to work as police officers to ensure they are receiving what mainstream society considers to be appropriate training or on the other end of the spectrum a waitress must be accredited with “serving in right” in order to serve alcohol.

BCCEC members the speculated on a design for a system creating transparency and accountability in the sex industry and including the following components;

In terms of transparency
Transparency

Revising / Creating processes for Licensing and Professional Accreditation

BCCEC members agreed that passages adapted from “Trade Secrets” could be expanded upon or refined to become the foundation of the processes for professional accreditation.

BCCEC members propose making accreditation mandatory and tied to sex industry business licensing. A trade mark would identify workers and business owners taking part in the licensee program to police and to sex consumers.


Educating Sex Consumers and promoting ethical purchasing habits.

BCCEC members have published a first edition of educational materials for sex consumers “for our clients”.

Additions related to new by-laws, professional accreditation and complaints processes will be necessary to ensure sex consumers have the information they need to support ethics in the sex industry.
 

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Licensing/ By Law Revisions

For these measures to work they must be incorporated into the City of Vancouver by-laws. In 2007, BCCEC members developed a series of recommendations intended to revise the City of Vancouver’s by-laws that license and regulate businesses where sex industry workers have traditionally been employed.

The revisions developed in 2007, did not include additions to accommodate the ideas outlined in this report. The final by-law revisions will have to include many of the processes and policies being suggested here.


The BCCEC believe that the sex industry community can ensure unbiased processes are created for inspections and safety scrutiny by pushing for a sex industry inclusive process.

Foreign/ Non Canadian Sex Industry Workers

Migrant workers from foreign countries working in Vancouver’s sex industry and in particular those who do not speak English and whose working conditions are the subject of great speculation are of great concern to the mainstream and sex industry communities.

Language appropriate materials and a “working” or “visitor” visa plan developed in partnership with Immigration Canada could ensure legal status for visiting workers and that those workers receive accurate information about sex industry health, safety and support services in Canada.

Under aged/ Youth engaged in sex work

Youth engaged in or being exploited in the sex industry is also a great concern for mainstream and the sex industry communities.

These processes are intended to increase the health, safety and stability of adult consensual sex industry workers but BCCEC members felt that young people could benefit from the valuable information contained within the accreditation materials. Accreditation would not be possible until they were of legal age to engage in the sex industry but having access to the materials contained in the licensee program manual could increase their health and safety anyway.

Accountability

Sex Industry Review Boards

Throughout it’s work, the BCCEC have always been conscious of engaging in research or creating policies that reflect current federal standards for ethical engagement of marginalized populations. There are many sources to gather information on research ethics. A national set of guidelines that all Canadian universities must abide by is the Tri Council Policy Statement http://www.pre.ethics.gc.ca/english/index.cfm .

One of the requirements for researchers engaging in research involving human beings is to have the research scrutinized by an ethics review panel or board.

During consultations in regard to the CAEC Terms of Reference, mainstream community members shared concerns about provisions made to protect the confidentiality of sex industry workers stating that policies such as those proposed above do not create a transparent, open and accountable industry but rather would provide safe haven for traffickers behind the CAEC banner.

Sex Industry Workers were also very concerned about potentially being “outed” as a sex worker or exploited by a person who discovered their sex industry worker status.

To address concerns on both sides, BCCEC members once again referred to the Tri Council Policies as a guide. CAEC and sex industry activities be examined by an ethics or over sight committee or review board.

There are currently no processes for sex industry complaints in Vancouver and some unethical businesses continue to operate with impunity. Financial penalties (fines) that put workers into a “debt servitude situation”, 24 hour a day 7 days a week shifts, incorrect information about workers health (insisting on or lying about the dangers of unsafe sexual contact- bbbj- bare back blow job), reckless endangerment of workers sending them into unsafe situations (alone with 50 men in a gated property), “starving” (being given no work) workers who refuse to comply, and emotional and physical abuse. It is hoped that a model of complaints by committee would be able to address these labour issues and that workers would feel comfortable reporting violations to a committee that included sex industry representation to ensure unbiased outcomes.

By Law Enforcement

By law additions and revision alone will not be enough to ensure compliance and fair treatment of sex industry community members. A system of inspection and penalty tied to the professional accreditation and licensing process will be necessary to ensure to greatest possible outcome and impact of sex industry health and safety.

Inspections

Inspections happen in every industry in Canada. Safe work spaces are the rights of all workers. The community policing partnership team, sex worker support agencies and the usual government bodies who conduct inspections in other areas can all take part in monitoring compliance and ethics in the sex industry.

These inspections are not intended to replace, dictate or impede police activities and criminal investigations but rather to work in partnership with police towards better policies and procedures for enforcement actions, the elimination of the exploitation of youth or any person in the sex industry, better understanding of sex industry structure and community and to ensure police are aware of resources and programs available sex workers in need of support.

SIWSAG

The Sex Industry Worker Safety Action Group (SIWSAG) was created in 2007 to bring together local police, sex industry workers, representatives from service-provision agencies and other community stakeholders to address the increasingly dangerous and negative conditions relating to the safety and security of sex industry workers in Vancouver.

Community Policing Partnership Car

Developing a community-VPD partnership that brings together both perspectives by hiring one experiential person ( victim services trained sex industry representative) and a police officer to focus on the common goal of safety could begin to bridge issues of mistrust, support the implementation of the plans outlined above and ensure fair treatment and support of sex industry workers during VPD operations.

Best Practices for VPD engagement of the sex industry community

The SIWSAG also propose undertaking an evaluation of existing practices that are used to enforce the criminal laws associated with the sex industry (sections 210-213 and any other related offences).Ultimately, we hope to identify the strategies currently in use by Vancouver’s Municipal Police Department (VPD), and those recommended by the participants in this project, to create a best practices document and facilitate increased safety for the sex industry community when interacting with the criminal justice system.

Professional Development Package for VPD/ City of Vancouver Staff.

In order for these ideas to achieve their goals, police officers, licensing staff, city staff, license inspectors, etc. must all be made aware of the changes and best practices emerging, sex industry specific policing goals, the sex industry review board and it’s purpose, by-law revisions, etc.

Members of SIWSAG agreed that a professional development package could give officers and city staff the information and tools they need to implement the plans outlined above.

Vancouver Police VICE Division

The VPD VICE Division have traditionally carried the burden of policing the sex industry. It is hoped that through systems outlines above, VICE will be able to better identify, target and prosecute sex industry businesses operating outside of what is considered acceptable within the mainstream community.

VICE will have access to information emerging from the sex industry review committee in terms of unethical behaviour as well as through the community policing partnership team.

It is also hoped that the Vancouver VICE division will be able to easily identify businesses operating outside of the accepted standards through a Trademark or system of branding tied to the Professional accreditation and licensing process, through information emerging from inspections and through taking part in sex industry review board activities.

Penalties

Some suggestions as far as penalties were a probation period for a person or business with a minor infraction and for those engaged in more serious complaints, complete revocation of licensing and accreditation or intensified inspections and scrutiny until the issue of the complaint is resolved.

In terms of the impact of these penalties, BCCEC members agreed that development of a trade mark as proof of accreditation/ or lack there of combined with educational outreach to sex industry consumers and workers about the meaning of the trade mark could prevent workers from seeking employment with a known exploitative business owner or prevent a consumer from purchasing the services of such a business.
 

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Community Consultation

The BCCEC held a meeting to scrutinize these plans and hear concerns and ideas from the community. 13 people were present representing VPD, sex worker support agencies, City of Vancouver, sex workers, sex consumers, UBC and SFU.

Each of the individual components of the plan were discussed in detail in terms of “pro’s”, “con’s” and the potential of each to create gaps or harm sex industry workers.

The plans as outlined were supported for the most part but with some concerns emerging in terms of further marginalizing street entrenched workers, confidentiality of workers taking part, the capacity of sex workers to achieve accreditation , licensing being to complicated and driving sex industry workers further underground to avoid taking part in these proposed processes.

Sex workers and Sex worker support services representing the street level sex working community asserted that they felt their constituency would be empowered by taking part in accreditation and that many had already achieved their alcohol service and food service accreditation through programs in those organizations so would be able to complete a program of a similar difficulty level.

The group also agreed that licensing and accreditation being mandatory were duplication in actions and favoured the New Zealand approach of not requiring independent workers to be licensed. It was noted that waitresses and bartenders were not required to hold liquor licenses but were required to be accredited. Accreditation of employees in all sex industry businesses was seen as enough to achieve the goal of sex industry worker safety.

Recommendations

Vancouver Sex Industry Stakeholders have agreed on the following recommendations for submission to city staff and informing the report going to City Council;

• That a process of professional accreditation be developed in partnership with all stakeholders and that the processes should respect the expectations for the mainstream community and the privacy/ confidentiality of sex industry workers taking part.

• That the professional accreditation processes be made language accessible for non English speaking workers and as low cost and low barrier as possible so all sex industry workers including street level sex workers could benefit from the knowledge gained through accreditation.


• That professional accreditation be required for all employees in a sex industry business including support staff such as managers, booking girls, drivers, waitresses and bouncers.

• That the City of Vancouver By-laws are revised to reflect the processes outlined in this report and respect the safety and inclusion of sex industry workers in a process involving all stakeholders as far as preferred licenses, rate balancing and the removal of clearly biased and illegal by laws excluding sex industry community members from mainstream society.


• More specifically, that the body rub license become the license of choice over health enhancement center. The term health enhancement center makes any prostitution occurring in the business illegal. The body rub parlour business license on the other hand seems to create a space where 2 consenting adults can legally engage in prostitution as it is more of a “rooms for rent” business. Just as in a hotel, the room rented becomes a private space and just as in a hotel what happens behind closed doors is private.

It is hoped that this business license definition will allow police to maintain their commitment to the criminal code of Canada while allowing stability for sex industry businesses providing safe, health places to work.

• That a Sex Industry Review Board be created to hear complaints and scrutinize license applications

• That mechanisms to ensure accountability and unbiased treatment are created such as the community policing partnership car, policy and procedure manual revisions/additions and professional development materials for mainstream systems engaging the sex industry.


• That a system of penalties tied to professional accreditation is created

• That, in contrast to the original plan licensing not be required of individual workers or small collectives of 2 or 3 workers sharing a work space as has been proven successfully in New Zealand to impact the health and safety of those workers.

• That provisions are made to accommodate migrant or foreign workers and that all materials are language accessible for that group

• That while youth engaged in the sex industry may not be accredited until they reach the legal age to engage in the sex industry, that they be given access to the program materials as way to increase their health and safety and to connect them to resources

The greater community have long had to rely on rumours and biased data to form an opinion of working
conditions in the sex industry. By creating an open and sex industry inclusive system of transparency and accountability, the greater community will have a clearer picture of the make up of, conditions within and safety of the sex industry.

Through this confidential, community based process it is hoped that businesses that go beyond what is reasonable (marketing youth, trafficking persons) can be more easily identified, targeted and prosecuted by the criminal justice system without causing widespread de-stabilization of the entire industry.

The goal is not to eliminate police or other mainstream mechanisms from these processes. Rather our goal is to allow police to use resources more effectively against and easily find and prosecute those people who engage in illegal sex industry activities and to increase numbers of sex industry workers accessing mainstream supports

Conclusion

The ideas and processes outlined in this report are in a very draft and incomplete form. BCCEC members want to be clear that each individual aspect of these plans must be developed and scrutinized by all stakeholders in detail if we are to reach common ground and common purpose in finding ways to increase the health and safety of ALL community members.

Our hope is that the draft materials and rational described here can be a starting point for a change in policy, to move away from punishment and towards protection and to find creative ways to work together, with in the current legal framework and with the health and safety of sex industry workers at the forefront.
 

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i know this is alot of material and i want to say again, none of this is written in stone. some of these processes like the sex industry review board have been tried with great success in other places so we are hopeful they will work for us too.

if people would like to see the full report including by law revisions( we worked on those here on perb) and the draft sex industry licensee program manual please pm me. as always, we welcome any comments, suggestions or concerns.

i hope everyone is well!
love susie
 

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sorry,but if we aren't extremely direct and complete,they will likely do something stupid like what happenedin edmonton. i just want to share any plans so everyone has a chance to weigh in.

love susie
 
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sorry,but if we aren't extremely direct and complete,they will likely do something stupid like what happenedin edmonton. i just want to share any plans so everyone has a chance to weigh in.

love susie
I just meant to post in here....lol Good luck though susi, you care a lot and obviously do a wonderful job!
 

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And what you forgot, "dood", is that all of the proceeds are taxable and the government could collect.
 

susi

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The translation of what you wrote is "legalize it and give the SP's the control as well as equal treatment as business owners". SP's should be allowed to work like those that are self employed and have the same protections/rights as those that are self employed. That should include the ability to make EI contributions & collect if needed. An example would be a SP that is pregnant should have maternity benefits, etc. I have my kinks but it bothers me to have to see a woman that's 9 months pregnant still working.

i am not a proponent of legalization...many people don't understand that most sp's DO pay tax. the government does collect. one can not do anything in this world without paying tax. we already have "legalization"....not workin out so well...

what we want is decriminalization,complete removal from the criminal code....

what we propose is outlined above....low barrier, lowcost, prove we are of age and been duely warned....that is all we are trying to do...and protect longstanding safe work places....and protect the privacy of workers.....

all canadians are expected to pay tax.....even on illegal income.....like selling drugs....selling sex is LEGAL in canada....we are trying to mormailze our industry....no?


Imagine a place where having a MP is prefectly acceptable and you get air miles ;-) LOL. Show up 5 times and the 6th fuck is 50% off. If you legitimize the business, you also reap the benefits of the spin off support industries. Accountants, photography, web development, shit...you could have Miss Jasmine advertising on a billboard on Granville Street in Van City.

The ironic part is that selling sex is probably LESS destructive than selling alcohol or casinos....two of the governments favourite cash cows.
love susie XXXO
 

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It is VERY rare for any MP to operate with only one girl working, VERY rare.
The norm in the better studios right now is 4-5 girls working, just go look at MP schedules posted on their websites and you will see how many girls are on shift, PLUS many MPs now have a girl working reception who is not a SP.


ACTUALLY Bobo...it is far more prevelant than you would know. I worked alone 3-4 shifts a week at the MP I recently left. And I left due to that exact reason. The website hasn't been updated in months as the owner doesn't want people to know that he treats the girls so crappy that no one wants to work for him. He fines girls for being late ($140) and for not doing laundry on time ($40) and for missing a shift ($160) regardless of the reason. He also leaves them alone continually and yells and hollers at them on a regular basis. I was even priviledged enough to hear him say " What the FCUK do I expect from a bunch of drunks, druggies and fucking whores"....which was a terrible thing to say. The girls (including myself) were/are NOT drunks or drug addicts. And I resented being labelled that way.

So before you start talking about MP's in Edmonton maybe find out a bit more about the way certain studio ARE run and how much crap the girls have to put up with. I was ripped off BECAUSE no one was there and the client knew it. I was never reimbursed by the studio even though it was all caught on tape.....so tell me again how well protected SP's are in certain studios.

I am not attempting to be smug or rude, I just truly want you to know that SP's are taken advantage of by owners, clients and the city.
 

GoddessBridgette

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Interesting that the authorities claim to be so concerned and yet when Kim Honey and others complained to police about a serially dangerous client she was told 'it comes with the job'. She is pursuing a legitimate activity - as legitimate as being a police officer and yet is offered no protection. Hypocrisy at its most complete.
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that SUCKS
 

bigtittyhunter

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Ladies please stop complaining...its easy money. If you want to mitigate the risks take Aikido and use common sense on your postings. Besides if you register, pay taxes you'll be able to get financing to buy your own home and car. If any one is getting the shaft in the easy money world its the drug dealer.
 

maroonedsailor

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Yeah = fine em 2500 or more and then send them to work at Walmart for 10 dollars an hour to pay the fine. THE JUDGE IS A PIMP. and an abusive one at that. Funny how rightous indignation always trumps common sense.
 
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