edmonton police shut down alleged bawdy houses

[wet_suit_one]

Ever since I heard the news story last evening I've been thinking about my pooning habit and whether I ought to continue.

I've always been a nervous pooner. Over the years for every 20 days that I sit at my desk and think of going to a MP after work, I only go once. This fear has tempered by pooning down to once or twice a month.

The reason for reluctance has always been the fear of getting caught which would cause family humiliation, relationship problems, professional difficulties (possibly forced resignation).

My initial pooning efforts were to visit the residences of girls I met off of Grapevine and other phone "dating" services. After being robbed by a boyfriend in a back room, I decided that MPs were a safer bet. I also came to the conclusion that the girls at MPs were more likely to be clean.

Over the last 3 years I've met some great ladies and had some great times (not just sexual). Unfortunately, this is the end for me. I've always been afraid of LE busting into a MP while I was in there and now I know it's happening for real. If I were to go back to a MP my fear of getting caught would outweigh my enjoyment of the experience.

Excellent!

My rule by fear has worked!!!

AHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH!


More pussy for me!

 

[ymmvguy]

As opposed to other places, where irregular families live.

Well, there are no micros in millwoods

 

[tim12301]

co-operatives?

From what I understand, Vish and Peter were not just shut down because they mistreated girls but also because they were living off the avails of prostitution.
My question is mainly directed at Alyson as her post piqued my curiosity. Alyson, if you don't feel MPs are at risk because they are following the rules, then are you saying that as an owner you run Temptations like a cooperative? Meaning all the girls room fees and shift fees, fines etc are put back into the business? I would think that if the answer is yes than what would be the point of owning such a business? Goodwill? Lol!

I don't mean to stir anything up. I believe they should just make it legal and devote energy to real social problems. Just curious that's all.

They are only closing down studio's that have people illegally working for them, or where the ladies are not safe.... or where they have had so many complaints about the place, that they needed to find a reason to close them down, so they finally did. Thats my personal opinion.

Studio's that follow the rules... and keep up with the proper licensing... and run there establishment the way the city asks... will not get shut down, but the ones that are doing stuff illegally or are soliciting in the public, they will get shut down.

I don't feel the mp's are at risk. They are only at risk if they are not following rules...

 

[irishmic]

Agree with wolverine

the exploits of Vish and Peter are well documented on these boards and others plus the unlicenced studios are also known my info is that legal operations will not be bothered as for Peter and Vish they now have their just rewards for their treatment of our girls

 

[thadeus]

Are there any girls that have an in with EPS that have heard a rumour of what's going on? I can remember WAY back in the day visiting Fantasy and one of the girls there told me that there were often cops that stopped by to check on them and make sure there were no problems. Anyone else in a similar situation that wants to share a little gossip?

 

[Tenacious]

How much is paid to the city in terms of licenses?

 

[threepeat]

Here are the legal aspects according to edmonton city bylaw:

You can recieve sex at a mp only if the matter is discussed behind closed doors. Not in the hallways of the mp, not on the telephone, not on public forums like this; only in the privacy of a mp room.

The mp cannot advertise sexual services either verbally or pictorally. Legends was forced to take down nude photos of their ladies from their website last year. The police warned them, but didn't press any charges.

An mp can only charge ladies for the room fee. Any percentage from the sale of sex is considered living off the avails of prostitution.

A former employee of Peter once told me that she had no idea that his studio dealt with sexual services until she had been initiated by himself or his assistant. Peter would have the ladies pay off their debts if they were late or absent, either by taking away the ladies' daily earnings or have them have sex with him a certain amount of times. That in itself is living off the avails of prostitution. All it takes is one lady to complain about the injustice that they are experiencing.

Respectable studios don't do this so they can't be considered to be doing anything against city bylaw.

I hope that clears it up and makes everybody feel more confortable about visiting mp's.


Topper

You are correct about the individual session, but the rub is that there is also a bawdy house law which states that it is illegal to operate or even be present in a place that has prostitution as its main purpose. That's probably why all the studios are called massage parlours in the first place rather than brothels. In a similar way, prostitutes in Vegas often advertise as dancers or entertainers.

Theoretically all studios are at risk because of this, as are all pooners who frequent them. The question is do the police want to bother enforcing this bylaw? Most of the time not, because if the girls don't have a place to work they will go to other channels where it is harder to track them (like the streets, or operating out of their house, etc.), which helps no one.

My take is that the police feel it's the lesser of two evils, and so long as that is true they will let sleeping dogs lie. If the balance ever changes, like this assault charge or human trafficking charges like what Calgary experienced years ago which took down their MP industry, then they will pull out the bawdy house card and use it. But not before.

Here is the letter of the law for anyone who wants to read it for themselves: http://www.edmontonpolice.ca/Commun...on/Prostitution/LegalitiesofProstitution.aspx

 

[praxis]

And this is the section of the bylaw that johns can be taken to court for...

there is also a bawdy house law which states that it is illegal to operate or even be present in a place that has prostitution as its main purpose...Theoretically all studios are at risk because of this, as are all pooners who frequent them. The question is do the police want to bother enforcing this bylaw?

Here is the letter of the law for anyone who wants to read it for themselves: http://www.edmontonpolice.ca/Commun...on/Prostitution/LegalitiesofProstitution.aspx

Common bawdy-house -- s. 210:

It is illegal to own, operate or even be in a bawdy house. Most people think of a bawdy house as something like a brothel, but this can apply to any place that is frequently and habitually used for the purposes of prostitution. Johns found in the premises will be subpoenaed to court to give evidence about their experience on the premises. Massage parlours can be prosecuted under this law.

LE can lay this charge to anyone found within the premises of the massage parlour - even if they just stepped through the entrance door!!!

 

[HorseBoyLive]

This is why they should legalize brothals. 1) Better safety and working conditions for the girls, 2) enforced regular STD testing, 3) less wories for the patrons, so more bussiness.

So, anyone want to start a petition to send to our local MP's? (that's members of parilment, not massage parlours )

Yah, didn't think so.

Horse Boy

 

[HorseBoyLive]

Well I would be willing to vollunteer to do some research on behalf of the government. Anyone know where I should apply?


There was a push to legalize in Vancouver last year... Did anything come of it?

Horse Boy

 

[vanboy0]

I would imagine the next step in Edmonton is to have clear glass windows in the doors and walls of the rooms.

That's so Vice can look inside the rooms during the session to see if anything sexual is going on.

That way they don't have to kick the door in.

They just politely walk into the room and arrest you for being a John.

Calgary and Vancouver's suburbs do it. It's cumming to Edmonton too folks.

It's called Shaming The Johns.

In Surrey, a suburb of Vancouver, you have to have a Background Criminal Records Check done on you before you can be a MP owner, male or female.

In Burnaby and Richmond, suburbs of Vancouver, they have Windows, that's right, clear glass Windows in the doors and walls.

That's so that if Vice should barge in, they can look in the room and see if any sexual activity is going on.

Vancouver is a different fish than Edmonton. Vancouver's suburbs all have different bylaws. Some have Bodyrub licenses, some have Health Enhancement licenses.

In Vancouver, there's only ONE Bodyrub license, The Swedish Touch (Brandis is upstairs).

There the girls can greet you at the door topless (not nude) and it's legal.

They can also play Playboy videos during your massage. Not in Edmonton.

I would imagine the next step in Edmonton is to have clear glass windows in the doors and walls of the rooms.

Calgary and Vancouver's suburbs do it. It's cumming to Edmonton too folks.

It's called Shaming The Johns.

 

[Mick Shagher]

Sigh, guess I'll have to remind the SP gals to turn off the porn that is playing on the TV, don't want to get the gals in trouble

I was thinking the exact same thing. Maybe it has something to with Hugh Hefner wanting royalties if his videos are played in the local studios. I better tell them to also put away the Playboy mags they have in the rooms.

 

[jim]

I was thinking the exact same thing. Maybe it has something to with Hugh Hefner wanting royalties if his videos are played in the local studios. I better tell them to also put away the Playboy mags they have in the rooms.

Geeez I hope you don't have to pay for 'using' his magazines. All those sperm clinics might go broke!!

 

[FortunateOne]

For the Umpteenth time. Paying for sex at a massage parlour is LEGAL in Edmonton as long as its a licenced establishment and your following all the rules.

Please pay no attention to the little man behind the curtain. That is vanboy, a major source of deliberate misinformation. Until recently, he tried to say that no Vancouver mps' licenses allow sexual touching -- he was outed with the corrected information which he now provides. But guess what, until then, he didn't even bother to check his "facts.

Beyond that, referring to Burnaby, Richmond and Surrey as Vancouver suburbs. They are suburbs, but they are also completely autonomous cities, with their own license and bylaw requirements. What happens or doesn't happen in Vancouver has absolutely nothing to do with them. Each of these cities have their own police force as well -- mainly RCMP for those cities. Vancouver has a separate police force, and bylaw licensing.

Misinfomation is worse than no information, imo. I think someone could provide real facts, which probably state that no one has ever actually been arrested at an mp in Vancouver for sexual activity. A while ago, a federal court ruled that a strip club in Montreal could allow actual sex acts that took place in a private area on the premises because it was reasonable to assume they had a reasonable expectation of privacy in that area. The activity itself wouldn't have been an issue, as the charge would have been indecent exposure not the sexual activity lol. It may explain the more liberal expectations people have in Montreal clubs.

 

[vanboy0]

You referring to Club Nuance in Montreal? Yes it's a Swingers Club on St. Laurent.

http://clubnuances.com/

Refer specifically to a specific Edmonton bylaw that states Sex is allowed in a MP.

You are quoting from a Edmonton Police handout. There is no specific Edmonton bylaw stating Sex is allowed in an Edmonton MP.

Yes each suburb in the Vancouver area has different bylaws. And Edmonton doesn't really have suburbs like Vancouver does.

Also in Edmonton you're dealing with Edmonton City Police, much like Vancouver City Police, not the RCMP which is Federal and has a closer link with Immigration (checking on illegals).

At L'Merage in Burnaby the cops are going in there twice a week. Not sure if they're looking through the windows.

A couple of years ago there was a huge Police raid in Vancouver's suburbs shutting down 18 MPs and 200 people got arrested, including clients and two cleaning ladies that happened to be washing down the shower rooms when the cops busted in.

That's not misinformation Fortunate One, that's a fact.

If a raid can happen in Vancouver with 200 people being arrested, it can happen in Edmonton.

The best way for Edmonton to start cracking down on MPs is to start having them install windows in the rooms; that will cut down on business fast; very fast.

By the way Fortunate one, though you're clearly too young to remember what happened a year ago, Madame Cleos, when is was alive, had Playboy magazines in the rooms.

So on one hand, Rebecca (Madame Cleos) has a Shiatsu / Health Enhancement license, and at the same time she has Playboy magazines in the rooms.

Not that that was ever allowed.

Go figure. Cops see that, she gets fined. Probably the reason why she's now out of the game.

Again, quote a specific Edmonton Bylaw, reference number or page number or link, that says Sex is allowed in a MP in Edmonton City limits.

Not an Edmonton Police handout, a Bylaw.

In Court, a judge makes a ruling based on a Bylaw, not a Handout.