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Juggy

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Ok, did search, read up on the various opinions.

Want to know which model HDD DvD Recorder is best for capturing regular cable tv? How much hdd space will be used for an hour of recording? Can you first save to hdd, then transfer to dvd? Do they come with ethernet ports to easily hook to home network? Looking to spend around 300. TIA
 

Maury Beniowski

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A DVD recorder with a 250GB HDD in your price range can store over 320 hours of SLP recording time; 64 hours in HQ.

For larger capacity on more expensive units, you just need to do the math...
 

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Don't bother. They're all a royal fuckin' PITA to use. After doing my homework and going for the Pioneer, it took me all of 1 day to pack it up and send it back. Fork out the cash for a PVR or stick with the VCR. And only a PVR will record Hi-Def, which is a bonus.
If you're intent on buying one, the Pioneer has the best hook-ups. Bit over your price though. Closer to 400.
 

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jjinvan said:
What difference did you find between the pioneer HDD-DVD recorder and a PVR?? Costco regularly has them on sale for about 300ish, btw.

As far as recording Hi-Def goes, the problem there is that anything that will record cable or satellite Hi-Def won't be able to export it, either on burned disks or by ethernet (thanks to the DMCA).
The PVR is just waaay easier and faster to use. I just don't have time to be fuckin' with a bunch of commands. I'm a one-button kinda guy. But ya, the downside of a PVR is that you're tied to the satellite or cable system that it's for. There is, however, one other alternative. There is the odd tv out nowdays where the company that makes the tv also makes a PVR as an add-on to the set. Toshiba had one not long back with one of their series. Nice thing about that is, everything works thru the tv remote and if you switch from cable to satellite, it will still work! It was fairly cheap too. That's what I plan on looking into a bit more soon.
 

HaywoodJabloemy

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BTW, for those who may be confused, HDD stands for "Hard Disk Drive".

Earlier today I spent an hour fooling around with a friend's LG model LHR-780 HDD/DVD Recorder, which he got less than a month ago for $299. He let me borrow the instruction manual to look over, since I was interested in maybe getting something like this to replace my aging VCR, which will probably be wearing out soon if it's like the other ones I've had.

"which model HDD DVD Recorder is best for capturing regular cable tv?"

This is the only one I've been able to try, but there are other brands with similar models. I don't know if one would be significantly better than another.
One thing that annoyed me was an on-screen display in the top right corner that appears for a few seconds every time you press a key on the remote (play, stop, etc.), and stays on the screen during pause and scan. As far as I can tell, there is no way to shut it off.

"How much hdd space will be used for an hour of recording?"

It depends what recording speed you select. This one has a 80 GB HDD, can hold up to 114 hours on EP, the slowest speed, 81 hours on LP, 41 hours on SP, or 21 hours on XP. EP mode looked crappy with sports where moving things were blurry, but okay for other stuff.
The manual mentions another model, LRH-790, which has a 250 GB HDD and therefore has a little more than three times the amount of recording time available. LHR-790 also has an additional "HDMI Connector (Type A)", I assume for connecting to high definition TVs.

"Can you first save to hdd, then transfer to dvd?"

Yes, as long you're not trying to transfer something that is copy-protected like a pre-recorded movie on DVD, you can transfer back and forth between the HDD and a recordable DVD. With the HDD you can do editing, dividing or combining of programs, but editing a program seems to eliminate the option of high speed dubbing onto DVDs. You can also play one program recorded on the HDD while recording another one, or continue recording a program while you play it from the beginning. It cannot record two different programs at the same time. You can record on either the HDD or DVD, not both at once.

Sorry, I don't really understand your last question, but I presume the answer is no since I don't see any connections that sound like they relate to that. Maybe someone else who is more techno-literate could help.
 

Man Mountain

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Here are a couple of links you might find useful in researching this. The videohelp one will let you search for any specific features that you might be looking for in a recorder. In your case, the ethernet feature. One thing about Haywood's post, if he's right about not being able to high speed dub edited material from the HDD to DVD, that would kind of suck. That means you'd be re-encoding the material and you want to avoid that. Most of the other units that I know of don't have that restriction. Hope that helps.

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdrecorders

DVD Recorder sub forum at AVS Forum

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=106
 

Penhold

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I agree with fuzzynuckles.

I have the Shaw Motorolo PVR, a Pioneer HDD and another brand DVD Recorder.

If you just have regular cablevision (i.e. no digital channels or high-definition channels), then almost any DVD recorder will do.

Given the cheap price of blank DVDs, I actually prefer my simple DVD recorder over the Pioneer HDD (which also burns DVDs). This is because the Pioneer uses TV Guide and the TV Guide feature is slow and cumbersome. The TV Guide feature also makes it harder to set the Pioneer up for manual record. The simple DVD recorder doesn't have the HDD, but is far, far cheaper, and easier to set up and record.

If you get digital channels through Shaw or through satellite, the Pioneer has one feature that is of some (limited) use. Rather than set the digital channel in advance so it will be recorded at the correct time (which you have to do with some recorders), Pioneer has a G-link connection that allows the recorder to control the cable/satellite box. The G-link allows the recorder to switch the cable box to the correct channel at the time the recording is to start (which means you can't watch a second channel at the same time except directly through regular CATV). This works great in theory, but in reality it's a pain in the ass. I finally gave up and disconnected the G-link because it made switching channels paintstakingly slow - and also ground the TV Guide menu selections to a slow crawl. If I didn't have this damn thing for a few months, I would take it back.

The Motorola PVR is the most convenient if archiving to DVDs isn't a priority. It uses the Shaw/satellite programming guide, so selecting programs to record is a breeze. However, the Motorola PVR is set up so that you can NOT run multiple outputs. Basically you have one external connection and that's it. You can connect to your stereo or your tv, but not both at the same time. What they don't tell you, however, is that the optical sound connection is always "live" so if your stereo doesn't have an HDMI connection you can still connect to it through component video and use the optical link to get dolby 5.1 sound.

Now the bad: the Motorola PVRs have had lots and lots of problems. All of the DCT64xx versions have had problems. Before buying one, search the internet for your cable or satellite provider and "Motorola DCT64xx" to find the forums where they discuss the problems.

The newest Motorola DCT64xx is the DCT6412 - it has a larger (160 GB) drive but has also had problems. Shaw has advised its customers that they have been working on fixes and testing a software upgrade but it won't be released for awhile.

If not for the fact they seem to be the only way to record scrambled digital channels and high definition channels easily, I would have thrown the Motorola PVR away long ago. I've never had any problems with the Pioneer (other than speed, as described above) or the other DVD recorder, but constant problems with the Motorola (which has been replaced and upgraded several times under warranty).

Part of the problem with the Motorolas may be that they easily overheat, and once they overheat even a bit they can suffer major problems and even failure. If you get one, do NOT use it in an enclosed stereo stand or even in a wall unit - put it somewhere where it gets lots and lots of air circulation as it generated a lot of heat (which is why it overheats so heasily). And since you're supposed to always leave the unit on, this means you can not put it somewhere behind closed doors. A Shaw service rep told me he has had to replace several of these because customers had them in a wall unit or stereo stand and closed the doors when they weren't watching tv!

Before buying any DVD Recorder or HDD-PVR, carefully check out the A-V forums as recommended by others and you may save yourself not only some money but a heck of lot of frustration.

In addition to the sites listed by Man Mountain, check out:

http://www.dvrchatter.com

or, for a more relevant Canadian digital forum, check out:

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/

Penhold
 
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Juggy

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thanks for all the opinions. Links are all very useful. Leaning towards the Pioneer 640HS dvd hdd. Like the idea of editing out the commercials then burning to dvd.

Any idea if you can record multiplayer xbox 360 games?
 
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