If god doesnt exist, then certainly you must believe in evolution.
eljudo said:
If you believe in evolution, as scientific facts bear out that you should, then should that preclude the notion of the existence of God?
We are gods to common bacteria? Can we truly create them then (and I don't mean cultivate them which is simply setting the conditions for mating or regeneration)?
Your reasoning is flawed. Your argument is based on 2 points, that a) if we are the only intelligent life form in the universe then there must be a God because of the improbability of it signals some kind of authorship. b) On the other hand, if we are not the only intelligent life form in the universe then in all probability there are life forms with much greater intelligence, and if they are compared to us they would be gods just as we appear to be gods to bacteria.
a) the improbability or signs of authorship prove nothing. If it was highly improbable then it is highly improbable and that is all. High improbability still means there is a chance of occuring, and just because it occurs despite the improbable chances doesn't mean a God exists. Nor do signs of authorship prove that God exists. If we are here by design, it could be explained by highly intelligent beings transferring and adapting life from elsewhere for the earthly climate.
b) the existence of much more intelligent life forms does not prove the existence of God. First of all, because they are more intelligent doesn't mean they are gods to us by comparison. A God creates matter from nothing, sentient beings from nothing, space where no such thing as space existed, and time where time never existed. By this definition, no being made of the same matter as us can possibly be a God.
I think based on your reasoning, you are as likely to believe that God doesn't exist as you think God exists because your reasoning does not even bear internal logical consistency.
It's too bad that this topic is so rife with misinformation from the major religions, automatically held in derision by the scientific community, and dumbed down by fools. That many human beings have some sense that a Supreme Being exists somewhere somehow is a precious thing and is the seed of compassion. For without it, you and I are just organic matter that comes to life by regeneration and can be destroyed at will without care for its value because organic matter has no more inherent value than do minerals except for its present utility. With Karla Homolka, and terrorists, and perversion of Islam and Christianity, and fucking SPs for the bottom dollar, and betraying your SO, and looking for that narcissistic free sex, how many will pause to look at the humanity of it all?
I know this post won't reach 90% of you. Most will just ignore it, or turn away in disgust, or call me an idiot. It doesn't matter to me what 90% of you think. You'll just go about your daily business and keep finding new ways to jack off as you usually do as though these things were the most paramount things in life. On the other hand, the remaining 10% might find this post interesting and derive some value from it. That's my hope. And I do realise that I am one of the wretched so I don't hold my opinion above yours as long as your motive is sincere and free of hatred.
you missed my point completedly.
When I mentioned that " we " in the eyes of the common bacteria were gods.. i was trying to say that if we could somehow communicate with it.. it would see us as being fit of divine origins. We have advanced so far ahead of it, that the gulf between us and the most basic living thing is just as being gods. We can cultivate it, grow it, kill it. As of now, we are not able to create life so to speak. However, lately many attempts has been done in the latter. Using amino acids, certain mixes of gases and electricity.
I am not sure we will be able to accomplish such feat. However, I still stand to my point.
Either you believe in a god or you dont. If you dont, then you have to believe in the theory of evolution. Theres no if or but about it. If you do believe in evolution, I sure hope, you dont think that we among the unacountable billions of starts out there are the only living intelligent beings. Now, as mentioned before, if you do believe in evolution then you must also belive in the big bang theory. Whatever planet or thing evolved around ground zero, must have evolved way before we did ( assuming the basic components of life or whats needed for life - As far as we know ) was readiable available at that location. If such life took a foothold and evolved millions on years before we did, then I wonder if the gulf between homosapiens and themselves is just as big or bigger than us and the common bacteria. Hence, they are gods, comparing to us.
Now imagine such beings, visiting our planets 10,000 years ago while civilization was nothing but a baby? Do you not think , they would be called gods? 10,000 years later the history and tells of such is still alive and kicking.
Now lets assume you call the above hogwash.. there , theres only two other alternatives.. and nothing more.
1. That god does indeed exists. The entity is so far detached from our understanding that we cannot comprehend what it is, what caused it to exist, or what role it plays in the realms of things. Perphaps our brain is not capable of understanding this " god ". We are a species always on the lookout for something new, interesting, and we try to understand everything around us. We name everything, we have a name for anything, and we try to give it a meaning of some sorts. But perphaps our brain is not hardwire or capable of coming up with an explantion that perphaps a being or beings might exit. It doesnt have to have a meaning or an explanation. Its simply is there since the dawn of time to the end of time ( if theres such a thing )
2. The other alternative... is that "we" are a freak of nature. An experiment that millions of years ago started in a primodial soup, something caused a bunch of amino acids or whathave you, to clump together and "life" came to be. An experiment that has not been repeated elsewhere and since then has been evolving. An experiment that as of now, part of it, is already investigating the corners of our galaxy ( A satellite, I belive voyager ) have already left our milky way.. and who knows if we, someday maybe able to create life and be gods ourselves.. perphaps not create it.. but certainly develop what we already have and populate the cosmos..( We are already mixing animal parts, decoding the DNA code, attempting at reviving long extinct species - to me, is almost as playing gods.. not in the future, but its happening today ) its decendants billions of years from now.. may gaze up upon the stars and search for perhaps a blue planet millions of light years away.. where according to their history, theirs gods came from and planted the seed of life.
