Which is why women are supposed to close their eyes and think of England when babies are made
Do you think pertisipating in prostiturion is violance against women..?Why?Why not?
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There are rarely answers to questios like these. One could argue that if a woman is having sex with someone that she does not want to hae sex with this is a violent act ut as a adult women, and men have to take responsibiity for their choices regardless of whether they like them or not. Addiction leads many wometo sell their bodies. Nobody chooses addiction but ow many options does a woman have to mae money as an addict. What do men i the same position do? Once we reach adulthood the gov't needs to step away from imposing "morality" and "idealism" upon other adults . Unfortunately life is not perfect. Children are the one's that need to be protected. Women should be protected in their choice to be sexworkers. They should be treated with the same dignity as anyone else. "Violence" should be defined by those that pressure women to cross the boundaries they have set. Just as women should not solicit service to men that they have not asked for ( in response to an ad for specific services), men should not pressure women to engage in activities that have not been offered for sale.
My father was a jailed convicted rapist, Twice actually.
I am very sensitive about this subject.
My honest opinion,
My Gut feeling
Paying for a women is wrong, only if you make it wrong,
and by that I mean your in it for the wrong reasons or its desperation prostitution or the classic crack whore.
Or you treat her as such or just plain bad.
A women said about prostituion once, its sad that it is all a women has to offer the world.
And to go a step farther, its sad that all you think a women is,, is a couple or three body parts for you to use.
I think its more about the attitutde you bring to bare then anything, that is what makes it right or wrong.
The first women I ever hooked up in this, she fit the classic mold of what people think, abused and used pretty much all her life. She was a great escort whore prostitute I think one of the best ever, she told me don`t leave, just stay,
She sat and simply drank or we did until she passed out, in the process she told me a real sad tale,
She wasn`t happy, I couldn`t make her happy, my personal opinion she didn`t belong doing this,
I dunno it just felt wrong in some very profound way,
I see a lady now, there is still something wrong about it, more so because I am marred and have kids, and I wonder what will eventually happen, to me and her
but you know it ends there, my thinking its wrong,
I think life is not perfect, my life my marriage is not perfect, the lady I see, she is not perfeect or her life, but you know, like I said neither is anyone`s, I think its not all a bed of rose`s being a prostitute that it is mostly the stupid people and stuff you have to deal with, but that is the same for everyone, maybe just more for a prostitute a normal civi can find themself way over there head as well when it comes to life.
The lady I see, of late we seem to socialize as much or more then have a session have sex.
We get along real well actually we see each other just because we want to.
Like I said her life isn`t perfect she has made choices, so have I so have we all.
But I don`t see anything profoundly or deeply wrong in her or me.
We respect each other trust each other, like each other.
Sorry for the long windedness, but its the attitude that makes it wrong not the act,
Guns don`t kill each other people do,
I think its the same with prostitution if you want to use and abuse and treat women like shit then your an a hole.
But I think the women has a choice in this as well, if she see`s her self as a victim and is treated like a victim is used and abused and drowns it in booze and drugs. I don`t believe she is doing herself any favors either to be honest.
Like everything in life, it can be good and bad,
alchol can kill you, sugar just eaton spoon after spoon, will kill you,
even water sit down and drink enough of it and you will die.
I am very sensitive about this subject.
My honest opinion,
My Gut feeling
Paying for a women is wrong, only if you make it wrong,
and by that I mean your in it for the wrong reasons or its desperation prostitution or the classic crack whore.
Or you treat her as such or just plain bad.
A women said about prostituion once, its sad that it is all a women has to offer the world.
And to go a step farther, its sad that all you think a women is,, is a couple or three body parts for you to use.
I think its more about the attitutde you bring to bare then anything, that is what makes it right or wrong.
The first women I ever hooked up in this, she fit the classic mold of what people think, abused and used pretty much all her life. She was a great escort whore prostitute I think one of the best ever, she told me don`t leave, just stay,
She sat and simply drank or we did until she passed out, in the process she told me a real sad tale,
She wasn`t happy, I couldn`t make her happy, my personal opinion she didn`t belong doing this,
I dunno it just felt wrong in some very profound way,
I see a lady now, there is still something wrong about it, more so because I am marred and have kids, and I wonder what will eventually happen, to me and her
but you know it ends there, my thinking its wrong,
I think life is not perfect, my life my marriage is not perfect, the lady I see, she is not perfeect or her life, but you know, like I said neither is anyone`s, I think its not all a bed of rose`s being a prostitute that it is mostly the stupid people and stuff you have to deal with, but that is the same for everyone, maybe just more for a prostitute a normal civi can find themself way over there head as well when it comes to life.
The lady I see, of late we seem to socialize as much or more then have a session have sex.
We get along real well actually we see each other just because we want to.
Like I said her life isn`t perfect she has made choices, so have I so have we all.
But I don`t see anything profoundly or deeply wrong in her or me.
We respect each other trust each other, like each other.
Sorry for the long windedness, but its the attitude that makes it wrong not the act,
Guns don`t kill each other people do,
I think its the same with prostitution if you want to use and abuse and treat women like shit then your an a hole.
But I think the women has a choice in this as well, if she see`s her self as a victim and is treated like a victim is used and abused and drowns it in booze and drugs. I don`t believe she is doing herself any favors either to be honest.
Like everything in life, it can be good and bad,
alchol can kill you, sugar just eaton spoon after spoon, will kill you,
even water sit down and drink enough of it and you will die.
To put it a different way,
If your an ass hole a jerk a person who has a hell of a lot of issues an insenstive lout, etc, etc,
You most likely shouldn`t be either a prostitute or a john,
But you know something, you shouldn`t be a parent or be alowed around children either you shouldn`t get behind the wheel of a car, you shouldn`t drink or do any kind of drugs.
But people have rights, try and tell someone they have no right to be a parent or get behind a wheel of a car, etc.
I think were making or some people are making to much of a big deal about prostitution
if some one is going to screw up there life and others they simply will.
You càn`t out law stupidity
and common sense isn`t all that common.
If your an ass hole a jerk a person who has a hell of a lot of issues an insenstive lout, etc, etc,
You most likely shouldn`t be either a prostitute or a john,
But you know something, you shouldn`t be a parent or be alowed around children either you shouldn`t get behind the wheel of a car, you shouldn`t drink or do any kind of drugs.
But people have rights, try and tell someone they have no right to be a parent or get behind a wheel of a car, etc.
I think were making or some people are making to much of a big deal about prostitution
if some one is going to screw up there life and others they simply will.
You càn`t out law stupidity
and common sense isn`t all that common.
This is an arguement based on morals not logic. I can think of many vocations that offer a whole lot less to the world.
What a good SP has to offer is this, an opportunity for someone to have an experience in life that would be otherwise unavailable to them and I think that's important.
Not to mention it keeps money flowing in the economy.
You sir, are very intelligent. People's attitudes need to change before anything else will change re: negativity, violence, stigma etc. Each SP and client are unique in so many different ways. Propagating one stereotype to solve a problem just adds to the whole mess. Thank you writing such a thoughtful response.
Also completely agree. I am just one of those people who has never felt a real calling or passion towards anything enough to dedicate my life to it. I've tried university, twice, for different things. All I have to show for it is a giant student loan debt and a knowledge that I can scratch those two careers off the list. So for the most part, and because I'm female, I've had to work shitty customer service related jobs for minimum wage, which really offer no benefit to getting ahead in life, unless you're just dying to be the manager of a chain restaurant (hint: I was also not passionate about that option). I can't speak for all SPs, but I would rather be literally fucked and make my donation of 250/H, instead of figuratively fucked and make $100 for an 8 hour shift. Living in poverty, having to work two jobs and barely scrape by, having to sacrifice your health because you can't even buy healthy groceries, still calling your parents at the age of 28 to ask to borrow money again so you don't bounce your rent, again?? Ugh. That's supposed to be a more noble existence? I'll take the stigma any day over having to go back to that, and it infuriates me that anyone, government especially, would try and take away the rights I have to my own body. It actually makes me feel sick, and if it comes down to it, I will go down swinging and throwing molotov cocktails for my right to this line of work.
While I do agree that it's very sad when a person finds themselves in an existence of prostitution in order to support a drug habit or as a method to re-live/fix terrible things that have happened to them throughout life, attempting to take away one option that provides a source of income isn't going to fix drug addiction or mental health issues. The drug habits will still exist, and the search for cash will still be there, but it will be things like boosting, smash and grabs, and generally petty theft. You can't outlaw something in an attempt to control the masses. History proves that it just doesn't work like that. I think harm reduction and offering more solutions for women who aren't happy in this line of work (like PEERS :nod::clap2
should be approached, not working from the top floor, down, and certainly not implicating a rigid structure that originates from an "ideal world" standpoint where the actions of others can be controlled.(one of my half degrees was for social work. Can you tell??
)Well articulated Miss Diablo! I think if we sent your comments to Harpo and the Neocons, and a number of religious groups, they might start frothing at the mouth!
i have actually met with some religious groups as of late and they seem more open than i expected...surprising but true. they simply don't have the facts. once i shared some examples of men needing compassionate care and asked how a disabled man could be considered a rapist, they seemed to come around.
it is once again, a matter of education. the feminazi's are hard at work "educating" the wrong way. we need to do the same. we are doing it and there's a big plan for some lobbying nationally. if people want to help with that by the way...pm me and let's get 'er going!!.
7o9 - you are a nice guy and i mean no insult by this...please don't say "crack whore". they are people. people in distress and those 2 words have cost many women their lives.
love susie
it is once again, a matter of education. the feminazi's are hard at work "educating" the wrong way. we need to do the same. we are doing it and there's a big plan for some lobbying nationally. if people want to help with that by the way...pm me and let's get 'er going!!.
7o9 - you are a nice guy and i mean no insult by this...please don't say "crack whore". they are people. people in distress and those 2 words have cost many women their lives.
love susie
In my opinion, this has a lot to do with a lack of understanding about the human body as much as anything else. Take away the genital-to-mouth or genital-to-genital contact and being an SP is no different than being a massage therapist, nurse, physiotherapist, or any job which involves close physicality with another human being.
There has been this whole mythology built around sex, a temple of reverence and mystery and ethical judgments. If you can break through the illusions of romanticism, visions of your Mom telling you that masturbation is evil, and all the Japanese tentacle porn you carry guilt for jacking off to, and you'll see 2 apes fucking.
Is a foot massage like sticking your tongue in a girl's pussy? Sometimes my feet hurt so much that it is way better for me to get a foot massage. Physical contact is physical contact, and how it feels or the significance of it depends on how you feel about the person. A fuck can feel way less personal or invasive than a colonoscopy or pap smear.
The rest is all stuff you are telling yourself about it. Some people think all intercourse is rape....yes, really.
Rape is about violence and control, which is why there are so many rules about seeing an SP. It's according to her schedule, she decides what she will or won't do, and one hopes she has security measures in place to ensure her rules are followed. How is this rape? Only when he violates the rules, breaking her rules and society's laws, is it a crime.
There has been this whole mythology built around sex, a temple of reverence and mystery and ethical judgments. If you can break through the illusions of romanticism, visions of your Mom telling you that masturbation is evil, and all the Japanese tentacle porn you carry guilt for jacking off to, and you'll see 2 apes fucking.
Is a foot massage like sticking your tongue in a girl's pussy? Sometimes my feet hurt so much that it is way better for me to get a foot massage. Physical contact is physical contact, and how it feels or the significance of it depends on how you feel about the person. A fuck can feel way less personal or invasive than a colonoscopy or pap smear.
The rest is all stuff you are telling yourself about it. Some people think all intercourse is rape....yes, really.
Rape is about violence and control, which is why there are so many rules about seeing an SP. It's according to her schedule, she decides what she will or won't do, and one hopes she has security measures in place to ensure her rules are followed. How is this rape? Only when he violates the rules, breaking her rules and society's laws, is it a crime.
Drug dealers, serial killers and folk like Bernie Madoff are also people. People with personal problems. Just because someone is a person does not mean they deserve respect no matter what their behaviour is like.
Out of curiosity do your religious people women friends believe in dinosaurs and evolution? And do they believe that gay people, buddhists, puppies and abortion doctors go to Heaven?
Also, how do they define sex? Are blowjobs and anal sex sex in their book or is it just penis in vagina that is sex? How about mutual masturbation?
Your answer will help me determine how seriously to take them.
I think this is a great way for Old Maxx to take the lead. Myself I am an atheist, with a science degree, who sees prostitutes. To church people I am the definition of the devil.
So me trying to explain to them why prostitution aint so bad, is pointless. Old Maxx has on a few occasions posted about his strong Christian values. Great, he is the best type of person to go down to his local church and talk about prostitution to them, and how it has made his life more enjoyable.
Help educate your fellow followers maxx. you are just preaching the choir here, pardon the pun.
Feminists also could give 2 shits what a guy like me has to say, they will only listen to other women.
Me seeing escorts .. does not go over well with . my christian friends..
The one differents between these christian friends...is. they have known me for 24 yrs.. they know my heart.. .. they also know i am not a fundamentalist... .dont take the bible litterally..and I have plenty of
question.. and criticism of the church.
I was person that grew up believing there is a God.. I dont know what .. God is... just that there seems yo be a force that. has a presents . in everyones life.. And for most people that believe
. when they need help.. something seems to help... For some people there seems tobe
some thing looking out for them in the most dier of circumstances.. and they come through barely scaved..
Its enough to make me believe. there is a God.
I dont believe he is a old man with a beard.. or that it is even a human form.. that sits in heaven. God is just a force. that we are all part of. How we fit in that force. for the positive.. or negative... I am not that sure.. because. there allways seems to be the unexplained... or coincidental.. which. is not a coincident..
My father life was a good example of that.. and he was against religion.. but had one simple belief. . He prayed to God each day. and thanked him.
I in turn was introducered to . religion .as a kid. through a small gospol hall down the street . .. I learnt about Jesus.. but it was tempered by what my dad thought about Jesus.. So i never really followed any
religion.. But i listen.. i was looking for what was the thuth about God.
I payed too... but like a child.. thanked God .. for all things.. and the best for every one.. it was an obligation i felt i had . to thank God for saving my dad through the years... and for saving me when i allmost died at 3yrs.
But i cant say i felt God.. or felt conected.. I did not understand.
Then there was a night.. in April 1986.. i was at a very low place.. was honestly thinking . of killing myself.. I just had no hope... I had prayed to God ..but nothing seemed to get better.. Then i made it personal
I prayed to Jesus.. . In that moment. my room seem to fill with a bright light.. a warm feeling of love and peace came over me... and i just knew.. Jesus was real.. and there for me.
I went to bed.. at peace.. knowing that every thing would be better..
And the next moring in my mind everything was better.. I looked at life differently.. had more joy and peace in what i had to do... And i believed I Jesus ...as God..
That just sent me looking for the truth even more.. I had no church that i went to . I bearly understood wbat happened.. But i figured it was one of these born again exsperiances.
It was a few yrs before i got involved in a small Christien church group. They were basically fundamentalists.. down the line of holy rollerd.
speak in toungs.. filled with the spirit.. and prophesied.. That what they thought of them selvez.
They were not fanatical... and allthough i learnt alot about what the bible actually was talking about.. and began to understand. as a believer I
I also . saw what Christiens were.. Falible people.. that .. could be like everyone else... could be very judgemental..of each other.. deffinetly were abunch of hypocrites.. But one thing they were true to and that was . love one another.. and forgive.. It was need and some time it should not of been given..
What I found was myself.. a little i bdlieve in what Jesus taught. and said.. But not any of the religion that i saw.. I was to open minded to
coform..to narriw mind idea.. .
Yes many dont believe in evalution... they dont believe the univers is 14 billjon yrs old.. or life has been here in many forms for billions of yrs.
They believe there is a a devil.. and a heaven and hell. .
For me i that find .. it has nothing to do with weather there is a God.. . or what i believe Jesus is.. .
So as you can see i am not what other Christain would call a brother. all though. i will call them brothers and sister.. and not be afraid to fellowship with any of them.. Because i feel i understand what Jesus was talking about..
I am accepted by him with all my faults.. and ugliness...
And if i find love in . heart... caring ..and compassion for all others.. then it is only because i was change 28 yrs ago..
The one differents between these christian friends...is. they have known me for 24 yrs.. they know my heart.. .. they also know i am not a fundamentalist... .dont take the bible litterally..and I have plenty of
question.. and criticism of the church.
I was person that grew up believing there is a God.. I dont know what .. God is... just that there seems yo be a force that. has a presents . in everyones life.. And for most people that believe
. when they need help.. something seems to help... For some people there seems tobe
some thing looking out for them in the most dier of circumstances.. and they come through barely scaved..
Its enough to make me believe. there is a God.
I dont believe he is a old man with a beard.. or that it is even a human form.. that sits in heaven. God is just a force. that we are all part of. How we fit in that force. for the positive.. or negative... I am not that sure.. because. there allways seems to be the unexplained... or coincidental.. which. is not a coincident..
My father life was a good example of that.. and he was against religion.. but had one simple belief. . He prayed to God each day. and thanked him.
I in turn was introducered to . religion .as a kid. through a small gospol hall down the street . .. I learnt about Jesus.. but it was tempered by what my dad thought about Jesus.. So i never really followed any
religion.. But i listen.. i was looking for what was the thuth about God.
I payed too... but like a child.. thanked God .. for all things.. and the best for every one.. it was an obligation i felt i had . to thank God for saving my dad through the years... and for saving me when i allmost died at 3yrs.
But i cant say i felt God.. or felt conected.. I did not understand.
Then there was a night.. in April 1986.. i was at a very low place.. was honestly thinking . of killing myself.. I just had no hope... I had prayed to God ..but nothing seemed to get better.. Then i made it personal
I prayed to Jesus.. . In that moment. my room seem to fill with a bright light.. a warm feeling of love and peace came over me... and i just knew.. Jesus was real.. and there for me.
I went to bed.. at peace.. knowing that every thing would be better..
And the next moring in my mind everything was better.. I looked at life differently.. had more joy and peace in what i had to do... And i believed I Jesus ...as God..
That just sent me looking for the truth even more.. I had no church that i went to . I bearly understood wbat happened.. But i figured it was one of these born again exsperiances.
It was a few yrs before i got involved in a small Christien church group. They were basically fundamentalists.. down the line of holy rollerd.
speak in toungs.. filled with the spirit.. and prophesied.. That what they thought of them selvez.
They were not fanatical... and allthough i learnt alot about what the bible actually was talking about.. and began to understand. as a believer I
I also . saw what Christiens were.. Falible people.. that .. could be like everyone else... could be very judgemental..of each other.. deffinetly were abunch of hypocrites.. But one thing they were true to and that was . love one another.. and forgive.. It was need and some time it should not of been given..
What I found was myself.. a little i bdlieve in what Jesus taught. and said.. But not any of the religion that i saw.. I was to open minded to
coform..to narriw mind idea.. .
Yes many dont believe in evalution... they dont believe the univers is 14 billjon yrs old.. or life has been here in many forms for billions of yrs.
They believe there is a a devil.. and a heaven and hell. .
For me i that find .. it has nothing to do with weather there is a God.. . or what i believe Jesus is.. .
So as you can see i am not what other Christain would call a brother. all though. i will call them brothers and sister.. and not be afraid to fellowship with any of them.. Because i feel i understand what Jesus was talking about..
I am accepted by him with all my faults.. and ugliness...
And if i find love in . heart... caring ..and compassion for all others.. then it is only because i was change 28 yrs ago..
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To say i am not a traditional Christian... . is realy an assumtion made by . some one who does not know what it means to be a christien.. they dont understand what Jesus was teaching.. and have made incorrect assumtions.. and are judgmental .. of something.. they have no interest in finding out what it is about.
Once you have been there you will see . there is religion.. but nothing that says what is a stsndard Christien. Just people that believe. what the know is tgs truth.. it differes in every one... for every ones circumstance life...
And that is why we have. 101 denomination on Christiens. each believing they are ths true faith.
I just got what works for me... what felt was the pressents of God.. and the small things i was dhown in life. ehich. i think shows something real... but maybe still unexplainable.. as to what...
I dont need God tobe human... i not afraid of where my spirit will go. Heaven does not intetest me tge Way Christien think it is... Hell if anything might bd a place we make with our own attitude....
.
SO LOVE EACH OTHER.. DONT HATE. .. ALL WAYS CARE .. AND BE MORE WILLING TK GIVE THEN TAKE FROM OTHERES.. THE YOU WILL FIND PEACE IN YOUR HEARTS
Once you have been there you will see . there is religion.. but nothing that says what is a stsndard Christien. Just people that believe. what the know is tgs truth.. it differes in every one... for every ones circumstance life...
And that is why we have. 101 denomination on Christiens. each believing they are ths true faith.
I just got what works for me... what felt was the pressents of God.. and the small things i was dhown in life. ehich. i think shows something real... but maybe still unexplainable.. as to what...
I dont need God tobe human... i not afraid of where my spirit will go. Heaven does not intetest me tge Way Christien think it is... Hell if anything might bd a place we make with our own attitude....
.
SO LOVE EACH OTHER.. DONT HATE. .. ALL WAYS CARE .. AND BE MORE WILLING TK GIVE THEN TAKE FROM OTHERES.. THE YOU WILL FIND PEACE IN YOUR HEARTS
