do you ever think there is just too many people on this rock

[sevenofnine]

do you sometimes get the feeling the planet is getting too crowded,

a five minute drive, it turns out its faster to walk construction, traffic, red lights
a 20 min drive can turn into an hour pretty dam quick,
even off hours seem like rush hour,

up at the cabin, they decided they needed street lights, speed bumps,
sitting enjoying a cold one on the deck, the Jehovah witnesses come knocking,
like fuck, when I bought the place, it seemed like it was pretty remote, now,
I got all these fucking door to door people,


went hiking with my dog, you need to get up at three in the morning to get a parking spot,
and there is a traffic jam on the hiking trail, saw I think a black bear in the distance, but he saw this

great horde coming up at him and he ran so fucking fast, I felt like joining him
oh yeah the dog needed to be on a leash and I needed poop bags, we both liked that,

found this sleepy little place way back in the mountains,
no cell phone once you leave the town, which is little more then a gas station, the kind that sell everything,
and a little pub

one stop sign
there is camping way back but not much, no cell no hookup or plug ins, no big rigs
went bush whacking with my dog, never saw a soul but the ranger at the day area,

god it was beautiful, found a little creek, dog cooled off,
put a couple beer in the water for the return trip,
was in a panic, thought I lost my beer,
no poop bags, my dog poop mingled right in with all the other poop
I tried to Indiana jones it or indian scout it or whatever and read the scat,

but god I thought I was heaven, just me and my dog,

shared an ice cream and a dog at the gas station with my best friend,
tried to say hey with a guy who looked like he belonged on a
western, movie maybe a fist full of dollars.

but he had no time for a city slicker like me,
liked my dog though
if we died right then we would both have a smile on our face,
me and my dooog

 

[sybian]

do you sometimes get the feeling the planet is getting too crowded,

a five minute drive, it turns out its faster to walk construction, traffic, red lights
a 20 min drive can turn into an hour pretty dam quick,
even off hours seem like rush hour,

up at the cabin, they decided they needed street lights, speed bumps,
sitting enjoying a cold one on the deck, the Jehovah witnesses come knocking,
like fuck, when I bought the place, it seemed like it was pretty remote, now,
I got all these fucking door to door people,


went hiking with my dog, you need to get up at three in the morning to get a parking spot,
and there is a traffic jam on the hiking trail, saw I think a black bear in the distance, but he saw this

great horde coming up at him and he ran so fucking fast, I felt like joining him
oh yeah the dog needed to be on a leash and I needed poop bags, we both liked that,

found this sleepy little place way back in the mountains,
no cell phone once you leave the town, which is little more then a gas station, the kind that sell everything,
and a little pub

one stop sign
there is camping way back but not much, no cell no hookup or plug ins, no big rigs
went bush whacking with my dog, never saw a soul but the ranger at the day area,

god it was beautiful, found a little creek, dog cooled off,
put a couple beer in the water for the return trip,
was in a panic, thought I lost my beer,
no poop bags, my dog poop mingled right in with all the other poop
I tried to Indiana jones it or indian scout it or whatever and read the scat,

but god I thought I was heaven, just me and my dog,

shared an ice cream and a dog at the gas station with my best friend,
tried to say hey with a guy who looked like he belonged on a
western, movie maybe a fist full of dollars.

but he had no time for a city slicker like me,
liked my dog though
if we died right then we would both have a smile on our face,
me and my dooog

Well your dog was a handsome boy....and I was in a hurry.

 

[Gardener]

The OP question is very valid. I have lived many decades in this part of the world and definitely noticed the crowds more than ever. GVRD is now 2.4 million, so we shouldnt be surprised, but lately it’s feeling more and more crowded.

I feel the crowds away from the city more than in the city. Try to go back country hiking without seeing tons of people, it’s impossible. Camp grounds always packed. I think it’s important to note that they don’t create new camping areas or hiking trails anymore. So you have double the population using the same areas that I used 35 years ago.

Despite the crowds, I couldn’t see myself moving anywhere else.

 

[Ibbilldavies]

Agreed. Too many people that are not the best breeding stock will doom us all

 

[sybian]

There are vast expanses here in our province that you can visit and never see a soul.
Cross the wretched bridge,or go past Whistler ,through Hat Creek into the high country....avoid pavement, and find a gravel road....get yourself lost in them.
You must find the trail less travelled....drink the water steeped in pine needles, into the places that cannot charge money for a campsite....go into the deep dark valleys ,below the snow capped mountains, were the ravages of man have not left their marks. They are there, and I know them well.
Find a map, look beyond 100 mile house, look beyond the black water country, into the west of Quesnel....there are places with no roads, only trails....pick a random lake, and make it your destination.
Go there with minimum equipment and survive, and leave no trace....you will find out how strong you are, and how insignificant you are....and you will understand why Interior people find strength in silence.
We are not tourists here....it is ours to explore, it belongs to all of us.

 

[deathreborn]

The OP question is very valid. I have lived many decades in this part of the world and definitely noticed the crowds more than ever. GVRD is now 2.4 million, so we shouldnt be surprised, but lately it’s feeling more and more crowded.

I feel the crowds away from the city more than in the city. Try to go back country hiking without seeing tons of people, it’s impossible. Camp grounds always packed. I think it’s important to note that they don’t create new camping areas or hiking trails anymore. So you have double the population using the same areas that I used 35 years ago.

Despite the crowds, I couldn’t see myself moving anywhere else.

only going to get worse with our immigration regulations. at least 40,000 people a year moving into town. but if anyone questions the immigration policy of this country they are automatically considered a racist, and "un-Canadian". we do not have the housing or infrastructure to support 2.4 million people. how in the hell are we going to deal with 3 millon ten years from now, especially with a provincial government that has halted all infrastructure projects (massey bridge, a widening Hwy.1 to 6 lanes out to Abbostford). only thing they are doing is the Pattullo bridge and they were forced in that regards because the current one is going to become unsafe. and they have already screwed it up by stating it will remain 2 lanes each way like the old bridge, instead of making it 3 lanes each way.

 

[87112]

I would love to move to a region that actually needs more people. Western WA and Vancouver regions does not ANY more people whatsoever.

 

[Addison Cortez]

do you sometimes get the feeling the planet is getting too crowded,

a five minute drive, it turns out its faster to walk construction, traffic, red lights
a 20 min drive can turn into an hour pretty dam quick,
even off hours seem like rush hour,

up at the cabin, they decided they needed street lights, speed bumps,
sitting enjoying a cold one on the deck, the Jehovah witnesses come knocking,
like fuck, when I bought the place, it seemed like it was pretty remote, now,
I got all these fucking door to door people,


went hiking with my dog, you need to get up at three in the morning to get a parking spot,
and there is a traffic jam on the hiking trail, saw I think a black bear in the distance, but he saw this

great horde coming up at him and he ran so fucking fast, I felt like joining him
oh yeah the dog needed to be on a leash and I needed poop bags, we both liked that,

found this sleepy little place way back in the mountains,
no cell phone once you leave the town, which is little more then a gas station, the kind that sell everything,
and a little pub

one stop sign
there is camping way back but not much, no cell no hookup or plug ins, no big rigs
went bush whacking with my dog, never saw a soul but the ranger at the day area,

god it was beautiful, found a little creek, dog cooled off,
put a couple beer in the water for the return trip,
was in a panic, thought I lost my beer,
no poop bags, my dog poop mingled right in with all the other poop
I tried to Indiana jones it or indian scout it or whatever and read the scat,

but god I thought I was heaven, just me and my dog,

shared an ice cream and a dog at the gas station with my best friend,
tried to say hey with a guy who looked like he belonged on a
western, movie maybe a fist full of dollars.

but he had no time for a city slicker like me,
liked my dog though
if we died right then we would both have a smile on our face,
me and my dooog

I own land in an even smaller little remote town than this one you speak of...and I can't wait to build on it :love_heart:

 

[Addison Cortez]

Agreed. Too many people that are not the best breeding stock will doom us all

:laugh: your wording made me chuckle

only going to get worse with our immigration regulations. at least 40,000 people a year moving into town. but if anyone questions the immigration policy of this country they are automatically considered a racist, and "un-Canadian". we do not have the housing or infrastructure to support 2.4 million people. how in the hell are we going to deal with 3 millon ten years from now, especially with a provincial government that has halted all infrastructure projects (massey bridge, a widening Hwy.1 to 6 lanes out to Abbostford). only thing they are doing is the Pattullo bridge and they were forced in that regards because the current one is going to become unsafe. and they have already screwed it up by stating it will remain 2 lanes each way like the old bridge, instead of making it 3 lanes each way.

Definitely need more housing and people to build them..

 

[Caramel]

I totally agree, I've been thinking like this for the past 10+ years...it's gotten even worse now within the last few years. It's definitely from immigration, not just new Canadians popping up. That's fine, my parents were immigrants too in the 70's. But I really don't believe we have enough infrastructure and services to maintain all these people...maybe in the US things are different, they're equipped to handle their 300+ million population and in big cities...but over here it seems like we're trying to stuff everyone into this tiny little spot, and I just hope no one tries to urbanize the more remote lands where wildlife live and forests, if we destroy Canada then we're fucked.

But it's not only Canada, I'm thinking about the entire planet. Sometimes I'll change my mind and think, this is such a gigantic planet and we're so tiny, it can support us. But then I think - 7 billion and counting, we wouldn't allow any other species to get that big. I do believe there is enough food to go around with the population right now, countries & governments and corporations are just being greedy. But if the population doubles and triples, and it will, I doubt it. We are also destroying natural ecosystems, if the world continues the way it is, I feel sorry for my future great great great great grand nephews and nieces. These days in Metro Vancouver it's just getting more and more crowded, the 2 most populated countries are just pumping out more people and a lot of them are migrating here. I think that's what the government wants, they complain that their own Canadians are aging and not reproducing enough.

 

[johnnydepth]

Too many people? Send them this way. Winnipeg could easily use another 1.5 -2 million people. Taxed to death because of low population and over sized infrastructure.

 

[luvsdaty]

All a matter of perspective. I'm sure someone raised in Tokyo or some other large city would think Vancouver is a ghost town. However I think as a planet we're reaching the tipping point of how many humans it can sustainably feed and we'll probably end up in some huge global pandemic.
Will earth miss us? Nope.

 

[Equity Market investor]

GVRD is now 2.4 million,

LOL...not making fun of your quote but trust me. GVRD has a shit load more than 2.4 million!! That 2.4 million is " registered " habitats. There is a lot more " non-Vancouver "
residents in Greater Vancouver. Students, visitors, ones who are up her un-noticed, temp workers etc.... It's a boat load more than 2.4 all around. That is just an estimate.

I say it's more closer to 3 milliion all around IMHO. What use to take 15 minutes to get to now take over 30 minutes!! Ever drive out to the fraser valley lately lol? Gong show!!

 

[johnsmit]

It just where you are living is crowded.
The planet is a very big place and as much as many people might think 7 billion is to much .. we prob can handle 14 billion if we learn to manage the resources and get rid of the bigot,racists and profit makers .

Maybe that can't happen but 14 billion will.

Yap we will probably end up with a natural disaster or a war, famine and a plague that will wipe out most of us

But if your just complaining about the crowd where you want to go .. just go home site in your recliner . It your space. Even though there are people only 50 ft away in the next house or next apt above you, beside you and below you ..
Is it time move to the back country for you 7of9??

 

[Addison Cortez]

Too many people? Send them this way. Winnipeg could easily use another 1.5 -2 million people. Taxed to death because of low population and over sized infrastructure.

Really?? How much is rent in the city?

People definitely flock to the warmer cities

 

[JimDandy]

do you sometimes get the feeling the planet is getting too crowded,

a five minute drive, it turns out its faster to walk construction, traffic, red lights
a 20 min drive can turn into an hour pretty dam quick,
even off hours seem like rush hour,

up at the cabin, they decided they needed street lights, speed bumps,
sitting enjoying a cold one on the deck, the Jehovah witnesses come knocking,
like fuck, when I bought the place, it seemed like it was pretty remote, now,
I got all these fucking door to door people,


went hiking with my dog, you need to get up at three in the morning to get a parking spot,
and there is a traffic jam on the hiking trail, saw I think a black bear in the distance, but he saw this

great horde coming up at him and he ran so fucking fast, I felt like joining him
oh yeah the dog needed to be on a leash and I needed poop bags, we both liked that,

found this sleepy little place way back in the mountains,
no cell phone once you leave the town, which is little more then a gas station, the kind that sell everything,
and a little pub

one stop sign
there is camping way back but not much, no cell no hookup or plug ins, no big rigs
went bush whacking with my dog, never saw a soul but the ranger at the day area,

god it was beautiful, found a little creek, dog cooled off,
put a couple beer in the water for the return trip,
was in a panic, thought I lost my beer,
no poop bags, my dog poop mingled right in with all the other poop
I tried to Indiana jones it or indian scout it or whatever and read the scat,

but god I thought I was heaven, just me and my dog,

shared an ice cream and a dog at the gas station with my best friend,
tried to say hey with a guy who looked like he belonged on a
western, movie maybe a fist full of dollars.

but he had no time for a city slicker like me,
liked my dog though
if we died right then we would both have a smile on our face,
me and my dooog

Well Sevenofnine, when the Borg arrives and assimilates us all, we will not even notice how crowded it is any more

JD

 

[vanperb]

All a matter of perspective. I'm sure someone raised in Tokyo or some other large city would think Vancouver is a ghost town

I think of Vancouver as a one horse hick town, with really expensive hitching posts. But it has it's charms.
Find where you belong in life, and don't expect your surrounding to grow with you. Change happens to people and places at different paces.

Also, don't over-romanticize a lifestyle. I remember a bunch of city slickers buying farmland property to have the open air with their morning coffee... then complaining about the smell of fertizer in the Spring

 

[vanperb]

..."cut for brevity"...
but he had no time for a city slicker like me,
liked my dog though
if we died right then we would both have a smile on our face,
me and my dooog

Not to be confrontational, but what's keeping you from making this a permenant reality?

 

[treveller]

Too crowded on this rock? Depends on which rock you are talking about. One of the Gulf Islands, Vancouver Island, North America, the planet? Last I heard we used all the annual sustainable resources of the planet a month or two ago this year and we are hitting that point earlier every year. Barring some major population reduction like war or plague we are expected to level off at 10 or 12 billion by the end of the century and we will be consuming resources far faster than they can be renewed. It will be an interesting century.

 

[licks2nite]

At 10 or 12 billion by the end of the century, all the fossil fuel that global warming affectionados are so fond of limiting likely will have been used up. When I think about it, everybody is so fortunate that over 70% of the earth is covered with ocean that people can't live on in large numbers. Financially, the world's economy is driven to grow by an obsolete money system, conceived in the late 19th century and instituted in 1913, that would collapse without growth and people taking out more loans. Nobody ever comes up with a way to make it stop beyond bartering products without any money at all.