do you ever feel you don't fit in any more

[sevenofnine]

sorry but I will stand by what I said,
maybe not expressing my self well,

but when you have a little girl five or six,
absolutely every breath you take is for her,

your no kind of man if you don't think of your five year old daughter first,
your no kind of parent either,

 

[sevenofnine]

sorry but I will stand by what I said,
maybe not expressing my self well,

but when you have a little girl five or six,
absolutely every breath you take is for her,

your no kind of man if you don't think of your five year old daughter first,
your no kind of parent either,

 

[uncleg]

 

[LADY-VIA]

SO YOU THINK .... UNTIL YOU REALIZED THAT YOU REALLY LIVED FOR THOSE TWO THINGS AND THAT YOUR LIFE NOW FEELS SO EMPTY..

MY mother has a recently empty nest. I feel for her all the time. She really lived for her children ensue and had half a dozen at that ! We were 24 hour a day life for her and she loved it. She struggles to make sense of herself now. Sense of being and sense of life and self.

 

[LADY-VIA]

SO YOU THINK .... UNTIL YOU REALIZED THAT YOU REALLY LIVED FOR THOSE TWO THINGS AND THAT YOUR LIFE NOW FEELS SO EMPTY..

MY mother has a recently empty nest. I feel for her all the time. She really lived for her children ensue and had half a dozen at that ! We were 24 hour a day life for her and she loved it. She struggles to make sense of herself now. Sense of being and sense of life and self.

 

[westwoody]

sorry but I will stand by what I said,
maybe not expressing my self well,

but when you have a little girl five or six,
absolutely every breath you take is for her,

your no kind of man if you don't think of your five year old daughter first,
your no kind of parent either,

You are making yourself abundantly clear.

You are showing yourself to be very homophobic, ignorant of other people's situations, and extremely narrow minded.

Regardless of the five year old daughter you speak of I would not want someone like you around any child of mine.

Get help.

 

[wilde]

I strongly recommend this movie to you: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338290/ It might give you a different perspective than describing a sex change as merely "chopping your dick off" which is so phucking insulting on so many levels. Storyline: "In the countryside of the United States of America, Irma Applewood and her husband Roy Applewood have been happily married for twenty-five years and they are model citizens in their community. Roy brings Irma to meet Reverend Dale Muncie, who is their pastor and friend, to tell that he is a woman trapped in a man's body and he will have a sex-change operation. Now Roy has to face the deception of his wife and the intolerance of his colleagues, members of his church and his son Wayne. But Irma loves him and after the impact of the news, she understands and supports him with their teenage daughter Patty Ann (Hayden Panettiere) and Roy's boss Frank ('Clancy Brown') that is their friend. "

In your co-worker's case, if she hasn't abandoned her family after her gender realignment and is still fulfilling her responsibility of a parent then how is that selfish? Living a lie is selfish. Have you ever thought about the courage it took for her to face her acquaintances after the surgery? How mush shit and stink eye she have had to endure from the likes of you.

As for your kids, when you started seeing escort is irrelevant. There is no hiding from growing up in an unhappy environment. I would rather have a happy transgender parent than a miserable straight one.

 

[1nitestan]

 

[clu]

It's been my experience that children are open minded and receptive to new concepts, much more than adults. Learning and adapting are what children do for a living. Typically those who say "think of the children" forget how children actually think. So if anything a five year old would probably cope better than a 25 year old.

 

[randomlife]

It's been my experience that children are open minded and receptive to new concepts, much more than adults. Learning and adapting are what children do for a living. Typically those who say "think of the children" forget how children actually think. So if anything a five year old would probably cope better than a 25 year old.

Unfortunately, children can also be very cruel, and it doesn't matter how well the child might cope with the situation at home, if kids at school find out, it will cause nothing but a world of grief for the child. Coming out of the closet, having an operation, are selfish acts, without a doubt. Most things we do in life are. But maybe those are things you should do before having kids or a family so they aren't made to suffer the repercussions of your choices.

 

[sevenofnine]

sorry to late to get any help.

funny, im not safe around children, what would you say if I said I was a teacher, in an elementary school.

or a scout leader.

just curious, why would you want to be a father of a young child if you felt like you should be a women.
then you have a young child, guess what, then I decide to switch my gender,

my opinion he is not at all thinking about being a parent a father or a mother, he is thinking about his own selfish ass.

and you know im not denying his feelings.
im just saying there should be some way to work it out, with out cutting things off.

I kind of think its stupid actually,
there is more to being a man or a women then plumbing. you are what you are no matter what a doctor's knife does to you.
its just plumbing
I dunno but who I am is who I am, I am still the same person whether I pee standing up or sitting down.
cut off a prick and give me a vagina it wouldn't change who I was.

I get it the feelings part, but what your doing is cosmetic, what you have underneath you can never change, it is what it is,
why let a doctor mess with you, learn to live with what you got,
sorry I don't think im ever going to change.

 

[emacky]

I kinda feel you on this one

I've have know several friends since elementary school and we're been close all throughout high school. However, as time has passed all my friends are in long term committed relationships and about to get married. I on the other hand I am no where close to being in that time of my life. I've had a series of unsuccessful relationships, and seemingly to be more drawn to the single life than being committed. We still see each other occasional and exchange text messages back and forth. However, the topic of conversations seem to be dwindling and we no longer enjoy the same activities.

It is rather sad, since these guys are the people I grew up with, but now the seem like strangers to me. When they get together it is drink hard and party hard, since majority of the time their significant others don't let them go out much. I find these gatherings rather stupid as I rather savoir my drink over games. They invited me to join them on their Vegas trip in a few months for a bachelor party and the whole idea of going sounds completely unappealing to me, since I really don't think I want to party with these guys anymore. However, I feel I should be obligated to go since they are/were my friends.


But yeah sevenofnine I sense your frustration. I seen some of those videos of kids playing with tech we had as kids and it seems kids don't appreciate what we had growing up and how we have changed things for the better for them.

Driving in this city has always been frustrating. I feel I have to get dash cams on my car just so I can have a record in case someone hits me with their erratic driving behavior. One of my biggest issue with people driving is that they don't know how to use the shoulder properly when they turn right. They stick in the middle of the lane waiting to turn right and end up blocking all the traffic behind them.

I have to admit I don't feel like I don't fit normally to society, but secretly I'm sure most people do as well. However, no one actually says anything in public or in person. I have met some new friends from a meetup group that shares my general interest and hobbies (not pooning, though I never talked about it). So there is hope.

I feel this community has been very helpful for those of us in this hobby to keep in touch with others who like the same things and to share our experience. Even though we don't actually meet in person, this community is something I enjoy reading and sharing with.

 

[sevenofnine]

while I am at it.

aren't some of you being rather dramatic.

I mean I need help, I should not be around kids.

I am some how upsetting the moral universe.
Gee, I had no idea I was all that powerful.

I actually know two gay married couples, and occasionally socialize with them, and do you think they sit and worry about what anyone cares.

I have an opinion that it was or is a silly thing to do, to cut your prick off, get over your self some of you,

I also have the opinion your rather silly if your a Dallas Cowboy fan.
what should I be shot.

I kind of think being a priest is a silly thing as well.
god I should be stoned.

some of you people need to get over yourself.

I have an opinion about a new trend in our society, so shoot me for fuck sake.

 

[clu]

You have an opinion, fine. But if you put such a strong judgment out there don't be surprised if you get judgment in return.

People are not their plumbing you say. Well people aren't their job either but they can feel it so soul crushing to be in a job that is not "who they are". You might say "suck it up" and "be happy you have a job". It doesn't make it any less soul crushing for them. You do not get to say what is important to others.

As to the comment that it's selfish and inconsiderate of children, speaking from experience (my dad is transgendered and I have young children, so in their case it would be their grandfather we're talking about), after the initial surprise they don't really care much one way or the other. Frankly abusive parents (or a dad that abuses a mom) is a lot more common and destructive. Do you also disapprove of single moms?

Do I get it? Not 100%. (I feel the feminine ideal my father strives for is a social construct more than a true gender identity.) But it's not my life. And I'll let others live their lives as I hope they would let me live mine.

 

[wilde]

get over your self some of you,

You should heed your own advice. You stated your opinion and many disagree, get over yourself yourself...

You think that staying in an unhappy marriage ostensibly "for your kids" that you deserve some kind of medal when all you did was perpetuate your miserable life. You're not stupid enough to think that kids can't sense the unhappiness of their parents, do you?

 

[sevenofnine]

you really shouldn't judge my marriage,
yeah its been rocky,

there are reasons why I stay, im no a martyr,

hard to explain,
I feel life is a path, you pick a direction, that brings you to a place years down the road.

sex is so easy, a relationship a family is a hell of a lot more complex then just fucking someone.

you know its funny but I needed to see other women, to realize the good qualities in my family my wife.
the grass is always greener on the other side, until you get there and look back.

its a discussion board, not really a place for, personal attacks.

yeah and some people need to get over themselves.
they seem to lay in wait, to pounce,

they need a fucking life.

 

[Lo-ki]

:frusty::frusty::frusty::frusty:

 

[wilde]

you really shouldn't judge my marriage,
yeah its been rocky,

there are reasons why I stay, im no a martyr,

hard to explain,
I feel life is a path, you pick a direction, that brings you to a place years down the road.

sex is so easy, a relationship a family is a hell of a lot more complex then just fucking someone.

you know its funny but I needed to see other women, to realize the good qualities in my family my wife.
the grass is always greener on the other side, until you get there and look back.

its a discussion board, not really a place for, personal attacks.

yeah and some people need to get over themselves.
they seem to lay in wait, to pounce,

they need a fucking life.

Nobody is attacking you, we just took an exception to your intolerant view of a transgender person. As for who needs a fucking life, you should take a long hard look in the mirror.