Do you buy what Justin Trudeau is selling?
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I'll buy what he's selling.
I don't smoke the stuff, but that does'nt mean we shouldn't regulate and tax the stuff
I think we have to start with plain ol decriminalisation first ... baby steps.
to counter Harper a little bit... "The reason drugs are illegal is because they are bad." then explain why tobacco is legal? we know that stuff is bad too, and yet it's legal, and taxed.
I don't smoke the stuff, but that does'nt mean we shouldn't regulate and tax the stuff
I think we have to start with plain ol decriminalisation first ... baby steps.
to counter Harper a little bit... "The reason drugs are illegal is because they are bad." then explain why tobacco is legal? we know that stuff is bad too, and yet it's legal, and taxed.
What an awesome argument Harper makes, because he is oh so educated on the benefits of marijuana, hemp etc.
Then the fallout from his comments
SOURCE:http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/justin-trudeau-pot-policy-buoy-youth-voter-turnout-201523344.html
Fallout? Hardly!
Anyone with half a brain cell doesn't really care - the whole pot legalize or not is a red herring.
Booze, tobacco and a lot of prescribed drugs are just as or more harmful.
The hypocracy is telling.
Maybe ignorant people have to worry about the "fallout" from having an educated population.
Anyone with half a brain cell doesn't really care - the whole pot legalize or not is a red herring.
Booze, tobacco and a lot of prescribed drugs are just as or more harmful.
The hypocracy is telling.
Maybe ignorant people have to worry about the "fallout" from having an educated population.
Definition of "bad"?
"I know some people say if you just legalized it you’d get the money and all would be well," Harper said. "But I think that rests on the assumption that somehow drugs are bad because they’re illegal ... The reason drugs are illegal is because they are bad."
To my mind, like everyone else says here, tobacco, alcohol or even white sugar is worse than THC.
THC even has a potential to improve the Quality of Life (QOL) of cancer patients and potentially may cure it.
When the mount of white sugar and sugar substitute is not limited, and we know that they cause a numbe roof diseases such as obesity, diabetes, and cancer, criminalizing something like pot that may contribute some positive influence to the body does not make sense.
There are quite strong arguments about legalizing recreational consumption of marijuana.
If the counter argument is because "drug is bad", that's like saying kids "you have to go to bed now because Santa only drop presents to kids sleeping in their bed"
That's bologna.
Government regulate selling alcohol and tobacco.
It's not too much of work for then, I believe, that government regulate selling marihuana.
(Then, could be the matter of time that they even regulate selling pizza slices in the government run headshop.)
"I know some people say if you just legalized it you’d get the money and all would be well," Harper said. "But I think that rests on the assumption that somehow drugs are bad because they’re illegal ... The reason drugs are illegal is because they are bad."
To my mind, like everyone else says here, tobacco, alcohol or even white sugar is worse than THC.
THC even has a potential to improve the Quality of Life (QOL) of cancer patients and potentially may cure it.
When the mount of white sugar and sugar substitute is not limited, and we know that they cause a numbe roof diseases such as obesity, diabetes, and cancer, criminalizing something like pot that may contribute some positive influence to the body does not make sense.
There are quite strong arguments about legalizing recreational consumption of marijuana.
If the counter argument is because "drug is bad", that's like saying kids "you have to go to bed now because Santa only drop presents to kids sleeping in their bed"
That's bologna.
Government regulate selling alcohol and tobacco.
It's not too much of work for then, I believe, that government regulate selling marihuana.
(Then, could be the matter of time that they even regulate selling pizza slices in the government run headshop.)
I like the fact that he is bringing younger people into politics. A new generation of thought. Marijuana policy is a way of engaging people who have never voted before. And if we sweep away the people stuck in the last century we can get change on a variety of issues. Layton was too far left to get a majority. With Trudeau it is possible. I'm buying.
He has shown, at least to me anyways, that he is his own man with his own perspectives on how the country should be governed.
Absolutely pot should be legal. The money wasted on the drug war is nonsensical.
However, the notion they can tax it and make billions of tax revenue is silly.
People pay anywhere from $100-$300 to buy an ounce to smoke.
It costs growers $5-10 to produce an ounce.
If its legal, who would pay a couple hundred to buy it from Walmart.
When for a couple hundred investment in equipment, and you make your own for a tiny fraction of that cost.
If its legal, its no different than growing your own carrots in the backyard.
If it becomes completely legal. All that happens is more people grow their own. Dealers will still be around, just at reduced profit margins.
Which is better than the system now, no doubt. I just think people seem to over estimate how much taxes this will raise.
I've even heard people talking how if pot were taxed, we would be like Alberta with no sales tax in BC. Like it is comparable to oil.
However, the notion they can tax it and make billions of tax revenue is silly.
People pay anywhere from $100-$300 to buy an ounce to smoke.
It costs growers $5-10 to produce an ounce.
If its legal, who would pay a couple hundred to buy it from Walmart.
When for a couple hundred investment in equipment, and you make your own for a tiny fraction of that cost.
If its legal, its no different than growing your own carrots in the backyard.
If it becomes completely legal. All that happens is more people grow their own. Dealers will still be around, just at reduced profit margins.
Which is better than the system now, no doubt. I just think people seem to over estimate how much taxes this will raise.
I've even heard people talking how if pot were taxed, we would be like Alberta with no sales tax in BC. Like it is comparable to oil.
In theory, this is not a bad idea, but in practice, decriminalisation is actually a step away from full legalisation.
For one, the pressure on the government to change the legal status of cannabis will be reduced once no one faces a criminal record due to simple possession.
But a much bigger reason emerges once you look at $$$. Decriminalisation will increase enforcement, as many officers who were previously lax on busting people (either because they disagree with sending someone to court over petty crap, or because they don't want to deal with the paperwork) will have a new option; writing tickets. No lengthy legal process, and they can help fill their ticket quota to boot!
And once those revenues become a line item on the budgets of law enforcement, it will be a cold day in hell when anything will be done to make it legal.
I absolutely buy the policies expressed in that article. Would he make a good Prime Minister? Who knows, but I am firmly in the "anybody but the Harper hypocrites" camp.
If his party gets power, nothing really important to most of us will change -- the rich will still have all the power, the same corporations will still control our lives. But little things, like pot laws, will definitely improve.
If his party gets power, nothing really important to most of us will change -- the rich will still have all the power, the same corporations will still control our lives. But little things, like pot laws, will definitely improve.
I believe it is allowed up to 6 plants per reason to grow non-commercially in Colorado.
The rule is you have to be older than 21, and you only can harvest up to 1 ounce.
If you sandwich a row of 6 pot plants with 2 rows of tomato plants, kids may not notice.
Politics aside and I have to say I fully agree with what Brynn said in that it will be a money spinner for the BC Govt if it is merely decriminalized. Writing tickets for the possession of even small amounts is counter to what the LEO are doing now i.e. confiscating it and sending you on your way. Sure there are some harder line Police Officers who will write you up and make a case even with the smallest amounts.
The problem lies with people being baked and driving which is equally as dangerous as someone who is on prescription drugs or alcohol behind the wheel. That is why I rarely ever accept even a glass of wine when I visit a SP. I just prefer to be totally sober behind the wheel. I am 420 friendly too but some of the stuff I have tried is so strong I doubt I could even find the clutch in my car let alone drive it
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The problem lies with people being baked and driving which is equally as dangerous as someone who is on prescription drugs or alcohol behind the wheel. That is why I rarely ever accept even a glass of wine when I visit a SP. I just prefer to be totally sober behind the wheel. I am 420 friendly too but some of the stuff I have tried is so strong I doubt I could even find the clutch in my car let alone drive it
ound:if i was cycling on the seawall, and i heard somebody cry for help from the water, and i looked out and saw ANY politician named trudeau drowning, i would throw them the heaviest rock i could lift...
Not followed by the usual "if i was cycling on the seawall, and i heard somebody cry for help from the water, and i looked out and saw ANY politician named trudeau drowning, i would throw them the heaviest rock i could lift...
" or "ound:"...I am going to take this comment very seriously. (<--- NO exclamation mark.).Thats kind of harsh...personally I would offer that person a glass of water :thumb:if i was cycling on the seawall, and i heard somebody cry for help from the water, and i looked out and saw ANY politician named trudeau drowning, i would throw them the heaviest rock i could lift...
As for "buying what Justin Trudeau is selling" yes I am buying it and loving it.I like his grit and determination
and I look forward to the next federal election and to seeing the Liberals thrash the NDP and take back the
status of the official opposition.I dont like the NDP as a party as I dont like the extreme left wing socialist
aspect that they espouse with pandering to unions and the like.Justin Trudeau will decimate that clueless
NDP idiot Mulcair in the next election for the simple fact that Mulcair will be at the helm and not Jack Layton.
What also hurts the NDP is the fact that since they won official opposition status the party in general and it's
MP's have the attitude that they somehow got cheated out of a majority government and that they should(in
their opinion) be governing Canada.
I like Trudeau's chances of splitting the left wing vote and also the idea of the average Quebecer waking up in the next election after coming to the realization that the NDP has not really done anything since the last election and also discovering that most of their elected MP's cant actually speak french fluently(this got slid under the rug last election as Jack Layton ran a very organized ballot)
As for the Harper haters I dont get how you can bash on a government that has endured the nastiest financial
crash since the great depression as is expecting/predicting for Canada to be deficit free by 2015.At the same time said government has spent money on infrastructure projects accross the country and has not rolled back the tax cuts it made before the financial crisis.
Unlike the USA the Harper lead Conservatives did not turn on the printing presses and spew out 85 BILLION a month to prop up the economy.Canada has done well whilst the USA has gone down the toilet.
Yes I am "buying" what Trudeau is "selling"....I dont care about the spin or the BS.All I know is he will be living in Stornaway in a couple of years and Mulcair wont be and Mr.Harper will still be living on Sussex Drive
and in charge of Canada.
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Harper's turned into a little dictator like all the previous prime ministers and has become a disappointment, and I say that as someone has voted conservative the past 4 elections. The liberals haven't had a chance in years, and the NDP have no chance of winning. I voted for his father in my first election, how bad could it get?
