Do you buy what Justin Trudeau is selling?

[sbill]

... I voted for his father in my first election, how bad could it get?

There's your answer

 

[vancity_cowboy]

I voted for his father in my first election, how bad could it get?

that bad... :fear:

 

[normisanas]

I don't know if he really believes in what he's proposing, perhaps he does.
But there are 2 things, maybe 3 things, for certain:

1) it's marketing to shape his image for the under 40 crowd, for that's probably who his greatest appeal to is.

2) if he gets into power, it will get shut down by the Americans so fast the ink on the Bill won't have time to dry. Chretien tried to decriminalize possession of amounts smaller than 15 grams, and he backed off completely when the Americans pounded him into submission. The Americans don't want the threat of another thing related to national security on its borders, nor do they want another drug war with one already in Mexico, nor do they want Canada to profit from taxing marijuana before they do.

3) it's his way to save face in light of allegations that would've eventually surfaced that he used pot.

 

[The Lizard King]

I absolutely buy the policies expressed in that article. Would he make a good Prime Minister? Who knows, but I am firmly in the "anybody but the Harper hypocrites" camp.

If his party gets power, nothing really important to most of us will change -- the rich will still have all the power, the same corporations will still control our lives. But little things, like pot laws, will definitely improve.

I missed this at the time but it's dead on. I don't support party based politics. It's easier to corrupt a system run by a small group of people who have banded together as a party and duped a larger segment of the population into supporting them. As voters, you cast your vote independently but influenced by apparent facts as to the current state of things, issues you feel are relevant and pertinent to you and your close one's well being, and the future direction you want to see your region and country head in. The problem is, the concept of an independent democracy building a consensus based on debate and discussion of the facts leading to further independent voting by elected leaders supposedly working in the best interest of their constituents goes out the window when party politics come into play and those elected officials and their party are bought off by corporations, lobbyists, special interest groups, and the wealthy. The whole thing is polluted and clearly NOT in the best interest of the masses as they've been brainwashed to believe, leading to the resignation that "it is what it is" and people being psychologically beaten into submission.

So, I'm not about to vote for a guy just because he claims to support legalizing weed and admits to smoking it. In fact, I've restricted my vote to like minded independents but for the most part, don't vote at all any more. And for those that say "if you don't vote, you can't complain".....fuck you, as long as I pay taxes, and a shtload of it, I have every right to complain!

 

[Crumb]

3) it's his way to save face in light of allegations that would've eventually surfaced that he used pot.

imo, I, too, think this is why he came out .... one less piece of ammo to use against him.

personally I don't care if he tokes up... nothing wrong with recreational use

 

[VanessaofBC]

Legalize it and use the taxes to improve infrastructure.

edit: and how dare the journalist use the name "Paul Bernardo" in the same story as "leagalizing pot". Not even close.

 

[HankQuinlan]

Another reporter's POV on Trudeau and pot

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/08/07/legalizing_pot_endorsing_stupidity_dimanno.html

That has to be one of the stupidest articles I have read recently. Don't they have editors at that newspaper?

 

[VanessaofBC]

That has to be one of the stupidest articles I have read recently. Don't they have editors at that newspaper?

+1

I couldn't even finish reading it.

 

[ThisEndUp]

Not one of journalism's finest moments, especially towards a political leader. What happened to responsible, unbiased reporting?

Oh that ship sailed years ago.

The media are no longer interested in reporting the news, they are now making the news

 

[Unpossible]

 

[VanessaofBC]

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[The Lizard King]

Badger stick to hockey my friend, you do not know the first thing about politics. For every scandal and misstep, the Conservatives have done a semi-decent job with the economy well not to my view, but, that's why they keep getting elected. If the electorate was sick of them, their seats would not keep going up. As for Trudeau, his now admitted pot use while an MP was an incredibly stupid move. It's going to turn him into a one trick pony and the other parties are going to eat him alive. He has made an momentum error making this issue the centerpiece of his platform. The Liberal party brass is likely already working on how to get rid of him in a back room somewhere. Pot is not going to win the next election for the Liberals, full stop. He was a promising young star who likely just committed career suicide over a marginal issue that the vast majority of Canadians don't think is that important. It's the economy, followed by the economy again, Jobs, the environment might make the top 5, pot is maybe #10 or 15 on the list.

Decriminalizing it isn't the answer, if you going to do it, legalize it, regulate it and tax the shit out of it, it ought to be more highly taxed than tobacco at least.

Ought to be more highly taxed than tobacco? Why is that? haymitch stick to politics my friend, you do not know the first thing about weed.

 

[The Lizard King]

Admittedly, I have never smoked it, no interest in being a stoner/pothead. As for why highly taxed, why not? It's going to take a ton of resources if it's legalized to regulate it. It needs to pay for itself, plus shy should the drug dealers get all the profit? There's a deficit to pay down and debt to repay as well. The point is moot however, don't see it happening, politically.

That's cool and I understand where you're coming from but there's a lot to be learned from a medicinal value perspective, as opposed to tobacco and alcohol other than perhaps red wine which offer no medicinal value whatsoever, and some sort of legalization and regulation will virtually eliminate the criminal element much like the end of alcohol prohibition did in 1933. Are there risks associated with abuse? Sure but a lot less than tobacco, alcohol, a poor diet, and what big pharma pushes.

Here's a couple of handy links on prescriptions drugs. One on the most abused (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/04/which-prescription-drugs-do-americans-abuse-most.html) and another really good one where you can search for side effects by drug (http://www.drugs.com/sfx/).

 

[Smilf]

Badger stick to hockey my friend, you do not know the first thing about politics. For every scandal and misstep, the Conservatives have done a semi-decent job with the economy well not to my view, but, that's why they keep getting elected. If the electorate was sick of them, their seats would not keep going up. As for Trudeau, his now admitted pot use while an MP was an incredibly stupid move. It's going to turn him into a one trick pony and the other parties are going to eat him alive. He has made an momentum error making this issue the centerpiece of his platform. The Liberal party brass is likely already working on how to get rid of him in a back room somewhere. Pot is not going to win the next election for the Liberals, full stop. He was a promising young star who likely just committed career suicide over a marginal issue that the vast majority of Canadians don't think is that important. It's the economy, followed by the economy again, Jobs, the environment might make the top 5, pot is maybe #10 or 15 on the list.

Decriminalizing it isn't the answer, if you going to do it, legalize it, regulate it and tax the shit out of it, it ought to be more highly taxed than tobacco at least.

Why should it be more taxed than tobacco or alcohol? Those are medically and statistically proven to be more harmful to health and cause more illnesses and deaths than a local gang shoot out in McArthur Park, when hemp provides health benefits. I've had cancer 3 times, did the usual crap the first 2 times, did hemp oil treatments the third time, boom no cancer for like 10 years now. Reality is, the medical system aka big pharma has it's eyeballs and say in this as well, since they already have issues with people using it as alternative medicines already .. which is a joke considering they know nothing about what certain foods can do to help prevent cancer either since they know nothing about nutrition.

We all know you're anti-weed and have a low tolerance for pot heads (I'm not one, can't stand the smell of it), but I DO know the history of hemp and all it's attributes, health wise and the ability to use it for sustainability.

As for Harper he can go join the George Bush club in the peanut gallery.

 

[wilde]

As for Trudeau, his now admitted pot use while an MP was an incredibly stupid move. It's going to turn him into a one trick pony and the other parties are going to eat him alive. He has made an momentum error making this issue the centerpiece of his platform. The Liberal party brass is likely already working on how to get rid of him in a back room somewhere. Pot is not going to win the next election for the Liberals, full stop. He was a promising young star who likely just committed career suicide over a marginal issue that the vast majority of Canadians don't think is that important. It's the economy, followed by the economy again, Jobs, the environment might make the top 5, pot is maybe #10 or 15 on the list.

Plenty of politicians have admitted to smoking weed. Are they all incredibly stupid or only Justine Trudeau?

He is not making weed the centerpiece of his platform, the media and the Conservatives (and to some degree you as well) are. I think he made weed ONE of the issues because he knows it will generate interest in politics amongst the younger generations, the ones who normally can't be bothered to vote.

 

[johnsmit]

I have not been reading this .thread. .....
i would say justin is following in his fathers and mothers foot .. streps.. although he is a long way from the rebles
they were .lol
Not sure if the liberal are ready for him as leader.. but it would make for a very interesting election...The conservative right against
the liberal..midal of the road... I still have to leave left for the NDP

 

[johnsmit]

Its funny how a twist of fate . put the mantel of Truedo on justins sholders .. whrn i thought that Sasha had more carisma.... But then again .he might of had enough to take Quebec to indapendance. if he saw fit to do that.... Time will tell what Canada destiny will be

This just peace before the storm. for Canadian polatics and law

 

[VanessaofBC]

I got an email from Justin Trudeau himself this morning ()

Thank you for joining over 25,000 Canadians so far who signed our petition calling for an end to marijuana prohibition.

Canadians deserve leaders who level with them. That's why I've been open and honest about where I stand on this issue -- and offered direct answers to direct questions on marijuana.

I know that you believe, as I do, that marijuana prohibition is costly and unsafe. But if we're going to put an end to it, I'll need your help.

Here are 3 ways to share our petition to end marijuana prohibition right now - it takes 30 seconds and will help build momentum for change:

then he suggested putting it on Twitter or Facebook, etc.

 

[VanessaofBC]

Trudeau Slams Harper's 'Nanny State' Stance On Marijuana (VIDEO)

Trudeau Slams Harper's 'Nanny State' Stance On Marijuana (VIDEO)
The Huffington Post Canada | By Michael Bolen
Posted: 10/10/2013 10:32 am EDT | Updated: 10/10/2013 10:40 am EDT


Justin Trudeau slammed Stephen Harper Wednesday for what he said is the prime minister's "nanny state" stance on marijuana.

Speaking at the University of Manitoba, Trudeau was asked by pot activist Steven Stairs what he thinks about the government's new medical marijuana regulations.

"The current hyper-controlled approach around medical marijuana that actually removes from individuals the capacity to grow their own is not going in the right direction, in either respect to freedom or the kind of care that people need," the Liberal leader said to applause.

Trudeau also reiterated his main talking points regarding his plan to legalize marijuana, mainly that the current legal state of affairs actually makes it easier for young people to get hold of the drug and that a system like that in place for alcohol would work better to curb consumption. Trudeau also stressed that his plan would hurt organized crime.

"This is the kind of approach we need to take: one grounded in evidence, one grounded in science, one grounded in liberty and the freedom of people to make choices, but at the same time does a better job of protecting the developing brains of our young people," Trudeau said. "But we don't need to be all nanny state about it the way Stephen Harper is with his prohibition."

The debate over marijuana since Trudeau announced both his support for legalization and that he smoked pot since becoming an MP has largely centred around use of the drug among youth.

And that may be exactly what Harper's Conservatives want. The Tories have consistently attacked Trudeau's legalization plan, one which they say will make marijuana more accessible to children. The wife of a staffer in the office of former Public Safety minister Vic Toews recently confronted Trudeau with similar arguments during a recent campaign stop in Manitoba.


Those attacks have come as the government has overseen a major transition in the rules around production of medical marijuana. The new regulations ban individual and small scale growers, with licenses now only available for industrial scale production.

Revenues for the burgeoning new industry are expected to hit $1.3 billion per year by 2024, according to federal projections.

The Tory arguments against Trudeau's pot plan don't seem to be working, or at least not yet. A recent Abacus Data poll found 63 per cent of Canadians support some form of reform regarding marijuana laws and roughly two-thirds of those who knew about Trudeau's pot admission said they did not care.

SOURCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/1...a-video_n_4077491.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular