Do you agree with the 25 game Raffi Torres suspension?

[Elmore]

I have mixed feelings on this one. The NHL got serious with Matt Cooke and he is a changed man for the better. But he played ultra dirty before - open ice knee on knee shit along with open ice elbows to the head where he is really reaching.

Rafi plays on the edge. The timing of his hit was slightly late but the launching of himself as well as the fact that it connected with Hossa's chin are the bigger issues. I realize he is a repeat offender which is a big deal and the apparent seriousness of the injury played a huge role in the suspension given but had all of that transpired and Hossa jumped back to his feet and delivered a 2 hander across Rafi's back, I think Torres only gets 3 or 4 games.

I think 25 games is excessive.

 

[HeMadeMeDoIt]

I think that these suspensions should be equal to the number of games the other player misses. For example the hit on Sedin should have resulted in a 12 game suspension. If the other player has to wait and no know what his actual sentence is so be it!

 

[Papa Chongo]

I think that these suspensions should be equal to the number of games the other player misses. For example the hit on Sedin should have resulted in a 12 game suspension. If the other player has to wait and no know what his actual sentence is so be it!

I totally agree, and I think Raffi gets a bad deal here, it's obvious Shanahan cannot make decisions without involving his own emotions, it is no secret that he does not like Raffi.

 

[Karl Blues]

I have mixed feelings on this one. The NHL got serious with Matt Cooke and he is a changed man for the better. But he played ultra dirty before - open ice knee on knee shit along with open ice elbows to the head where he is really reaching.

Rafi plays on the edge. The timing of his hit was slightly late but the launching of himself as well as the fact that it connected with Hossa's chin are the bigger issues. I realize he is a repeat offender which is a big deal and the apparent seriousness of the injury played a huge role in the suspension given but had all of that transpired and Hossa jumped back to his feet and delivered a 2 hander across Rafi's back, I think Torres only gets 3 or 4 games.

I think 25 games is excessive.

It shows a double standard. I don't see it as any worse than Keith's hit on Daniel Sedin. In fact, Keith's hit was plain retribution.

The marginal player gets 25, the star player gets 5.

 

[badbadboy]

The 25 games is mostly based upon it being Raffi's third offence. Clearly his game needs to be dialed back a notch or the suspensions will get longer. If it were his first offence, it is excessive but third offence it is right IMHO.

I also propose that suspensions be tied to the length of time the injured player is out.

Duncan Keith would have missed a lot of games if this were the rule since Daniel Sedin was out nearly a month.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

...but had all of that transpired and Hossa jumped back to his feet and delivered a 2 hander across Rafi's back, I think Torres only gets 3 or 4 games.

and it would be a nice day if it was raining kool aid out there - but that's not what happened. hossa was wheeled out on a stretcher and taken to the hospital fer crissake!

shanahan's just sayin' this has got to end. when the likes of crosby and sedin start missing lots of games, these guys ARE the nhl - these guys are who the fans pay BIG money to see. to see them and the magic they create. torres is very, very good at timing and attempting to camoflouge his intent - but after three perfect injury to the head hits, shanahan's sayin' you're outta here buddy

and don't get me wrong, i like torres' play but i agree after three times that he's a rogue that needs to be dealt with seriously. these guys HAVE to be hit in the only place they will take notice of - the pocketbook

the only problem as i see it is that about 15 more 25 game suspensions have to be handed out

 

[Elmore]

and it would be a nice day if it was raining kool aid out there - but that's not what happened. hossa was wheeled out on a stretcher and taken to the hospital fer crissake!

Hossa was wheeled out on a stretcher and taken to the hospital...so what. That means nothing. It was done as a precaution.

He could be playing in the next series. Conversely he could have finished the game, played a few more and then been out for half of next season. We don't know the extent of his injury and most acknowledge that the offender should get at least as many games missed by the victim of the hit.

My point was that the extent of an injury largely dictates the length of the suspension. Hossa wheeled off on a stretcher indicates a potential serious injury when in fact his injury could be minor.

 

[Jason_96]

I have mixed feelings on this one. The NHL got serious with Matt Cooke and he is a changed man for the better. But he played ultra dirty before - open ice knee on knee shit along with open ice elbows to the head where he is really reaching.

Rafi plays on the edge. The timing of his hit was slightly late but the launching of himself as well as the fact that it connected with Hossa's chin are the bigger issues. I realize he is a repeat offender which is a big deal and the apparent seriousness of the injury played a huge role in the suspension given but had all of that transpired and Hossa jumped back to his feet and delivered a 2 hander across Rafi's back, I think Torres only gets 3 or 4 games.

I think 25 games is excessive.

Hell yes I do. Maybe the idiot will think twice about targeting somebodies head. Hopefully Marian Hossa will be okay in the long run. Enjoy your 25 games Raffi.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Hossa was wheeled out on a stretcher and taken to the hospital...so what. That means nothing. It was done as a precaution.

uhhhh... yeah... right... an nhl player, arguably among the fittest and toughest men on the planet, being paid $4,500 per minute that he is on the ice, will willingly allow himself to be strapped down to a stretcher and taken to a hospital 'as a precaution'?

i call bull shit :doh:

 

[vancity_cowboy]

I have mixed feelings on this one. The NHL got serious with Matt Cooke and he is a changed man for the better. But he played ultra dirty before - open ice knee on knee shit along with open ice elbows to the head where he is really reaching.

Rafi plays on the edge. The timing of his hit was slightly late but the launching of himself as well as the fact that it connected with Hossa's chin are the bigger issues. I realize he is a repeat offender which is a big deal and the apparent seriousness of the injury played a huge role in the suspension given but had all of that transpired and Hossa jumped back to his feet and delivered a 2 hander across Rafi's back, I think Torres only gets 3 or 4 games.

I think 25 games is excessive.

My point was that the extent of an injury largely dictates the length of the suspension. Hossa wheeled off on a stretcher indicates a potential serious injury when in fact his injury could be minor.

actually no, nowhere in your op did you say a thing about the penalty matching the length of the injury, it was everybody else, including myself in several other threads on this topic that talked about the length of the suspension equalling the time missed by the victim, that said that

so i'm calling bullshit again, pardner

 

[rygu]

I'm fine with the length of the suspension given the fact that Torres is a multi-time offender and is generally a cheap player.

 

[deathreborn]

i've lost a lot of interest in hockey this year, a) because the canucks have become a snob team that thinks they are owed everything. b) i'm tired of hearing the media analyze every little play that happens and trying to change the game. 20 years ago they just played the game, a hit was a hit. now anything with contact is analyzed to death. the canadian media is the worst. seems they won't be happy until all fighting and hitting is gone. they can't play the american card either as ratings are up bigtime on nbc and nbcsports. hockey topics have actually been getting airtime on espn, and they're not complaining, they want more.

 

[Elmore]

actually no, nowhere in your op did you say a thing about the penalty matching the length of the injury, it was everybody else, including myself in several other threads on this topic that talked about the length of the suspension equalling the time missed by the victim, that said that

so i'm calling bullshit again, pardner

Actually, pardner...maybe you need to re-read my original post.

In my OP I alluded to Torres likely getting 3 games or so if Hossa jumped right back to his feet which suggests that his discipline would be more in line with the action and time missed by the victim.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Actually, pardner...maybe you need to re-read my original post.

In my OP I alluded to Torres likely getting 3 games or so if Hossa jumped right back to his feet which suggests that his discipline would be more in line with the action and time missed by the victim.

well then, i suggest you enroll in a remedial english writing course so the rest of us can understand what you're trying to say

 

[Elmore]

well then, i suggest you enroll in a remedial english writing course so the rest of us can understand what you're trying to say

The rest of us...yeah right dude.
Don't bring the others into this. You're the one lacking basic comprehension skills who couldn't figure out the obvious.

 

[Bone_eve]

yes I agree. He is a repeat offender, he left his feet (intent), hit the head and caused missing games injury. I hope shanny just gives out more heavy handed sentences so players get it through their thick skulls.

 

[DavidMR]

Attitudes seem to have shifted in the years since Todd Bertuzzi broke Steve Moore's neck. At the time, the typical fan reaction was that any intervention in the way of criminal or civil proceedings was intolerable. Now the climate seems to have shifted to a view that hockey violence has to go.

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012...rtuzzi-will-never-escape-steve-moore-scandal/

 

[badbadboy]

Attitudes seem to have shifted in the years since Todd Bertuzzi broke Steve Moore's neck. At the time, the typical fan reaction was that any intervention in the way of criminal or civil proceedings was intolerable. Now the climate seems to have shifted to a view that hockey violence has to go.

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012...rtuzzi-will-never-escape-steve-moore-scandal/

Bertuzzi's hit was retribution for Moore's hit on Naslund. Moore would not fight and was goaded up and down the ice before Bert lost it and jammed his head into the ice. I AM NOT APPROVING OF BERT'S HIT SO DO NOT GO THERE.

This is different. Torres hit is sure stupidity and goonery to take another player out of the game in the playoffs.

 

[Tugela]

I think 25 games is excessive.

I disagree. I think 2500 games would be more appropriate.

 

[wilde]

I was expecting around 10 games or so but I also know that the NHL is going to throw the book at someone soon. So for Torres, it's sooner rather than later.

On another note, I hope Don Cherry is wrong about the nasty low hits (knees, etc.) coming back in response to the crack down on head shots. But I fear that he might be right.