Do SP's enjoy the date?

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

THIS!.......
I have helped underage girls off the street, without taking advantage of them or their situation.
Bought them something to eat, talked to them about their bruises, and driven them home to their parents....and even knocked on the freaking door myself, to get the reaction, and lay of the land I'm walking her into.
I'm not trying to fix something, just helping someone in need, that's willing to take it.....Very rarely do my spider senses ring when in the company of a professional. I find that the young ladies here, and out there.... are not the type to become a statistic ,even when life throws a shovel full of shit at them.
I'm also very sure ....many others here ,have done the same ,or would given the chance to end exploitation of anyone.
I also believe that as a group of like minded people,....for the most part.....it's not in our nature, and goes against the very fabric that ties some of us together, in a strange sort of way.

I believe it was you Miss Erica that coined the phrase that still rings clearly in my memory..... "Mamma never raised no victim"

It was. Thanks sy!

 

[Hoehoehoe]

Thx all. Wow some great answers here. I'd have to say my dates were all very good and the select few SP's I was with enjoyed themselves as much as I did. I'm no where experienced as much as some of the long time hobbiests here, but I was lucky cause the gals I met were keepers. It's been about 3 yrs and I'm wanting to try an SP again. I'm more of a massage parlour guy, walk in, check out the ladies and pick one lol!! I tried calling a gal who's quite well known in Winnipeg about a month ago but her and I were on different schedules. I'll try EB or another MP asap

 

[Reference3A]

Consider the source: The Centre To End All Sexual Exploitation. This is not an organization like PACE; by sexworkers for sexworkers. It is an organization that gets funded to paint the grimmest possible picture of sexwork, sexworkers, and their clients. They are funded by the Sisters of St Joseph, the Stollery Foundation, The United Way & the Alberta Govt. Its predecessor organization started Edmonton's first "john school", which they continue to operate. Their funding depends on statistics like the one you quoted; her job depends on the viewpoint that all prostitution is exploitation, all sexworkers are helpless victims, & participation in this activity is shameful, harmful, criminal & dangerous. Their website even offers you the chance to VOLUNTEER for their john school at a discounted rate from the $500 they'll charge anyone who's ordered there by the court. Statistics are easy to skew if you pick your sample carefully enough.

This is definitely NOT the impression
I got when I phoned and later
started a bit of email back & forth
dialogue with one of the counsellors there.
The counsellor I spoke with was a former
SP and for the most part enjoyed
the experience.
I had some questions about
best way to fig out if girl is pimped
or trafficked as want no part of that
shit and was curious about a few
other things.
Explained my intentions as a client
and was treated very respectfully .

 

[masterblaster]

I have gotten to know an SP fairly well over the years. She is in it for the money only and doesn't like to work anymore. She thinks her clients are stupid fir the most part and has little respect for them. She fakes her orgasms all the time and says it's getting harder to do that as well. So no she doesn't enjoy any part of the date except when she gets paid.

 

[Hoehoehoe]

I have gotten to know an SP fairly well over the years. She is in it for the money only and doesn't like to work anymore. She thinks her clients are stupid fir the most part and has little respect for them. She fakes her orgasms all the time and says it's getting harder to do that as well. So no she doesn't enjoy any part of the date except when she gets paid.

I'm not surprised. Obviously not all SP's are the same. I'm sure many hate it too. I don't believe what comes out of most SP's mouths or what they write on this forum about enjoying it. It's a job. It's about the money first. I've known quite a few strippers who thought their customers were stupid atm machines too.

 

[LovesGourmetDining]

I think it really depends on how you treated the SP, did she get to enjoy your company as well, did she do things she liked to do, or was she disrespected and pushed around to do things she doesn't like to do.

At the point where an SP is "pushed around to do things" wouldn't she just call and end to the session?

 

[SkinnyJohn]

Time changes everyone.

Weren't there two SP's in the past who came here and vented against all the guys they seen? Misty and Nicole Green? Called everyone a loser and pathetic?

Pretty sure there are a lot more SP's who come to resent us but don't air it out in public like those two did.

 

[grizzly]

I met a lady over 20 years ago, long before the internet and cell phones. You either picked up a street walker or went to a massage parlour. This lady was a street walker who hung out at a seedy downtown hotel along with a number of other working girls. I became a regular client of hers for the next few years until she gravitated out of the business, but she kept randomly popping up in my personal life, so we kept in contact after all these years, occasionally meeting professionally.

Years later, she became an advocate for young people who are forced into the sex trade, as she was. This was a shock to me as I was totally unaware she was trafficked as a young lady. It almost made me sick to find out I contributed to this. She came from a troubled childhood and ended up in and out of the system, and on the street with no money and a drug habit. Her "friends" talked her into the sex trade. Her very first date was when she was 17 years old. Being scared out of her wits, she tried backing out of the date, but instead was raped and left in the middle of nowhere.
Still being broke, she forced herself back into the business and soon found herself under the control of the local bikers. She has the tattoos to prove it, a lifetime reminder of her traumatic past.
Like I said, we're still in contact, and it was about a year ago we met for coffee and she told me about her past and how she hated the business and hated herself for being in it. Like I said, I felt sick.

I tell you this story because even though she hated the business, she told me one of the highlights of the job was when one of her favorite regulars walked into the hotel, which I was one of. Yes she was in it for the money, but she got paid regardless if it was a good date or bad. I asked her what it took to become a favorite? She said "you don't have to be good looking or have a hot body, you only have to treat me with dignity and respect. I'm a real person, not just a piece of meat. I always enjoyed my time with you because you recognized this."

My point is, you get what you give. If you just want to get your rocks off, then save your money and buy a blow up doll. I partake in this hobby not just for the physical contact, but the human contact. And I find it a turn on when the lady actually enjoys herself as well.

 

[westwoody]

If you just want to get your rocks off, then save your money and buy a blow up doll.

Too bad so many guys treat women like blow up dolls.

 

[NEbaD]

Wow, this thread; seems to me like a bunch of paying for a fantasy, then asking to pull back the curtain- lol why on earth would you want to do that? Just the same, I have my two cents which I'll blurt out, possibly to it's own end of further dissection & criticism...

Aren't we all a mess? I mean, I promise you that I am. OP is clearly a mess, if you just look at his posts on here, his own thread. The gal who's fucked so many strangers she doesn't have the urge to have sex with most of the guys she knows? Sounds messy. I'm pretty sure I remember her from like a week or so ago, something about gender hang-ups or idk, also a messy thing if I recall. And the white knight guy trying to defend all the ladies' honor, and the tough guy trying to police PERB...mess mess mess... I mean, c'mon you guys, just chill. And hey, let me reiterate that I'm a mess too, so I'm not judging; I'm more just trying to point out that we're all in here together and I'm pretty sure we're mostly all a bunch of walnuts, so let's maybe try and avoid throwing stones because it's just embarrassing to read, what with all the "I'm not fucked up, YOU'RE the fucked up one!" LOL

Some SP's enjoy their sessions, at least sometimes, at least for awhile. I read something in this thread about strippers and clients being ATM's, however some of them enjoy their work, at least sometimes, too. I am pretty confident about this based on having been picked up by strippers at strip clubs and proceeding to be enticed into relationships with them (yes, you read that correctly, it happened twice, I went for it once and had a 3 year relationship) and at this very moment I'm debating whether or not to start seeing my current regular SP out side of work. She's pushing pretty hard for it, but I'm kinda nervous & conflicted. (blah blah blah, messy mess mess... See? I told you!) Anyways, I'm pretty sure those things wouldn't occur if those girls didn't enjoy spending time with me, or saw me as a pathetic loser, or as an ATM machine, or whatever. So that's my answer to the topic of this messed up thread

BTW I'm not rich, I'm no kind of stud, I'm not a gang banger or a drug dealer or a tough guy, I don't drive a fancy car or live in some ridiculous mansion. I don't look any different than any other dude walking down the street, you'd never pick me out from a crowd. I'm a normal white guy, decent looking, pushing 40, 6' tall, 200 lbs, I exercise regularly so I'm in decent shape so I've got that going for me but I'm (sadly) not a super-fit washboard abs muscle guy. Point being: don't ask me what my "secret" is in case you were wondering, because I don't really know. If I had to guess, I'd say that it's BECAUSE I'm a mess, so other messy girls in these types of industries can identify with me. Maybe we'd all be better off if we just embraced it and said, "Okay, here we are, all the fucked up folks, let's make the best of it." I mean, without a doubt some people are so far over the line that there's no dealing with them, we've all encountered those sorts, but you can still at least try.

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

Wow, this thread; seems to me like a bunch of paying for a fantasy, then asking to pull back the curtain- lol why on earth would you want to do that?

Well yes there is an element of truth in what you say. Like the Mad Hatter says "we're all mad here". There's a big difference, though, between forming a supportive community of the mad, and taking a tour of the madhouse in order to agitate the lunatics, provoke an incident or two, & watch in amusement as the inmates attempt to burn down the asylum.

ALWAYS best not to feed the trolls.

 

[PerbMod]

hoehoehoe is taking a week off to decide if he wants to be a productive member of PERB or be banned forever. Trolling and insulting other members here is not going to fly.